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Would you take the deal?

No (please explain)
12
17%
Yes (I would feel no resentment, this is 100% a gain overall and the King is really doing me a favor)
21
30%
Yes (I would feel little bit of resentment, I am gaining more than I'm losing so I won't feel TOO resentful, but its still a bit patronizing)
16
23%
Yes (I would feel moderate resentment, I am human and I cannot help it, this is exploitation)
6
9%
Yes (I would feel a lot of resentment, I 100% hate the fact that I have to do this, those smug royals, if I could I would get rid of them all)
6
9%
Other
8
12%
 
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:55 am

Heloin wrote:
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It is possible.

It fits the timeline (you'd be the right age) and there was somehow a memory loss.

The Witch Queen is declared dead in this timeline though (officially). But it is possible that this is a lie by the authorities or there's a mix up.

One thing to say though, there are lots of women called "Annie" in this alternate timeline. However, few bear a royal last name.

...

Good catch! Someone is paying attention!

I was hoping the answer would be no they aren't the same. And I won't accept any answer other then a different version of me having killed Witch Hitler in that field after some duel.


its left open-ended

I created the scenario so there's a nod* to the Witch Queen lore but you don't have to interpret it one way or another

it changes nothing in any event, even if you are in reality the Witch Queen, you don't remember so you're basically a new person
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:57 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Because such a pathetic existence would be intolerable for me.


What if the treatment worked?

and you ended up in a mansion with servants and a noble title?

and you could host big parties with the fame you acquired as a nationwide mascot?

What medieval treatment can fix me shitting and pissing myself, and also fix my destroyed pride from not having my independence? Sorry, but the pond it is.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:57 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:I was hoping the answer would be no they aren't the same. And I won't accept any answer other then a different version of me having killed Witch Hitler in that field after some duel.


its left open-ended

I created the scenario so there's a nod* to the Witch Queen lore but you don't have to interpret it one way or another

it changes nothing in any event, even if you are in reality the Witch Queen, you don't remember so you're basically a new person

Nope. She's dead. As in dead dead.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:57 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
What if the treatment worked?

and you ended up in a mansion with servants and a noble title?

and you could host big parties with the fame you acquired as a nationwide mascot?

What medieval treatment can fix me shitting and pissing myself, and also fix my destroyed pride from not having my independence? Sorry, but the pond it is.


in a world with magic, some impossible things are made possible
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:59 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:What medieval treatment can fix me shitting and pissing myself, and also fix my destroyed pride from not having my independence? Sorry, but the pond it is.


in a world with magic, some impossible things are made possible

There are clearly limits otherwise I wouldn't be in this pathetic state.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:00 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
in a world with magic, some impossible things are made possible

There are clearly limits otherwise I wouldn't be in this pathetic state.


yes there are limits

but why not take the chance? some chance is better than no chance at all?
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:03 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:There are clearly limits otherwise I wouldn't be in this pathetic state.


yes there are limits

but why not take the chance? some chance is better than no chance at all?

My corpse is now being pecked at by birds. Better fish it out of there.

And no. My pride forbids such a shadow existence.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:05 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
yes there are limits

but why not take the chance? some chance is better than no chance at all?

My corpse is now being pecked at by birds. Better fish it out of there.

And no. My pride forbids such a shadow existence.


I'd argue that it varies, but more or less as is the case with people, our Pride takes a pretty habitual beating

this may be a bit of an extreme of course but still...
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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:06 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
yes there are limits

but why not take the chance? some chance is better than no chance at all?

My corpse is now being pecked at by birds. Better fish it out of there.

And no. My pride forbids such a shadow existence.

So long as you allow the revolution to use your death as further justification against the king then godspeed. Right into the pond.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:07 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:My corpse is now being pecked at by birds. Better fish it out of there.

And no. My pride forbids such a shadow existence.


I'd argue that it varies, but more or less as is the case with people, our Pride takes a pretty habitual beating

this may be a bit of an extreme of course but still...

There is a limit, and this is it.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:07 am

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
its left open-ended

I created the scenario so there's a nod* to the Witch Queen lore but you don't have to interpret it one way or another

it changes nothing in any event, even if you are in reality the Witch Queen, you don't remember so you're basically a new person

Nope. She's dead. As in dead dead.


in this timeline she's officially declared dead after Glass Box imprisonment

it's somewhat improbable that you are (in the hypothetical) THE Annie Holstadt (there are lots of Annies) but the pieces are there for you to connect if you're so inclined to. In any event, its not necessary to believe one way or another to consider the king's offer.

If you are the Witch Queen, you don't know it anyways. So just treat it as IRL you would (memories are likely not coming back)
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:09 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:Nope. She's dead. As in dead dead.


in this timeline she's officially declared dead after Glass Box imprisonment

it's somewhat improbable that you are (in the hypothetical) THE Annie Holstadt (there are lots of Annies) but the pieces are there for you to connect if you're so inclined to. In any event, its not necessary to believe one way or another to consider the king's offer.

If you are the Witch Queen, you don't know it anyways. So just treat it as IRL you would (memories are likely not coming back)


How many Annies are there?

Has there been a musical written about her?

I mean, it does seem like this Annie has had a hard knock life.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:12 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
in this timeline she's officially declared dead after Glass Box imprisonment

it's somewhat improbable that you are (in the hypothetical) THE Annie Holstadt (there are lots of Annies) but the pieces are there for you to connect if you're so inclined to. In any event, its not necessary to believe one way or another to consider the king's offer.

If you are the Witch Queen, you don't know it anyways. So just treat it as IRL you would (memories are likely not coming back)


How many Annies are there?

Has there been a musical written about her?

I mean, it does seem like this Annie has had a hard knock life.


What’s hard knock mean?

There are lots and lots of Annies in this version. It’s about as common as “Alice” in the real timeline.

No musical yet.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:13 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
in this timeline she's officially declared dead after Glass Box imprisonment

it's somewhat improbable that you are (in the hypothetical) THE Annie Holstadt (there are lots of Annies) but the pieces are there for you to connect if you're so inclined to. In any event, its not necessary to believe one way or another to consider the king's offer.

If you are the Witch Queen, you don't know it anyways. So just treat it as IRL you would (memories are likely not coming back)


How many Annies are there?

Has there been a musical written about her?

I mean, it does seem like this Annie has had a hard knock life.

That made my corpse laugh.
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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:18 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
in this timeline she's officially declared dead after Glass Box imprisonment

it's somewhat improbable that you are (in the hypothetical) THE Annie Holstadt (there are lots of Annies) but the pieces are there for you to connect if you're so inclined to. In any event, its not necessary to believe one way or another to consider the king's offer.

If you are the Witch Queen, you don't know it anyways. So just treat it as IRL you would (memories are likely not coming back)


How many Annies are there?

Has there been a musical written about her?

I mean, it does seem like this Annie has had a hard knock life.

Annie amount of Annies will do.

Seriously though, why Annie again? No, nothing wrong with that, but... I imagine that you might have a bit of a resentment over someone with that name.

With that said, I will and indeed feel some resentment and discomfort, but.... I will chance with the magic potion. That's 33% chance of me doing it.

Other 66% points to me offing myself. The idea of a magic potion is attractive, but I really don't think that I can live and survive in Medieval Europe, much less in a semi-vegetative state.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:20 am

Valentine Z wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
How many Annies are there?

Has there been a musical written about her?

I mean, it does seem like this Annie has had a hard knock life.

Annie amount of Annies will do.

Seriously though, why Annie again? No, nothing wrong with that, but... I imagine that you might have a bit of a resentment over someone with that name.

With that said, I will and indeed feel some resentment and discomfort, but.... I will chance with the magic potion. That's 33% chance of me doing it.

Other 66% points to me offing myself. The idea of a magic potion is attractive, but I really don't think that I can live and survive in Medieval Europe, much less in a semi-vegetative state.


Your hands are okay though

So things like reading, drawing, knitting, making crafts etc is still on

And you live in relative affluence (so I expect you could drink a lot of alcohol too)
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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:23 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Valentine Z wrote:Annie amount of Annies will do.

Seriously though, why Annie again? No, nothing wrong with that, but... I imagine that you might have a bit of a resentment over someone with that name.

With that said, I will and indeed feel some resentment and discomfort, but.... I will chance with the magic potion. That's 33% chance of me doing it.

Other 66% points to me offing myself. The idea of a magic potion is attractive, but I really don't think that I can live and survive in Medieval Europe, much less in a semi-vegetative state.


Your hands are okay though

So things like reading, drawing, knitting, making crafts etc is still on

And you live in relative affluence (so I expect you could drink a lot of alcohol too)

So the solution you've thought up to make this appealing to some who may not want to live like this is being an alcoholic in a nursing home?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:25 am

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Your hands are okay though

So things like reading, drawing, knitting, making crafts etc is still on

And you live in relative affluence (so I expect you could drink a lot of alcohol too)

So the solution you've thought up to make this appealing to some who may not want to live like this is being an alcoholic in a nursing home?


It’s a mansion

Plus the fine vintage and luxury meals could be purchased with your money

You can dedicate yourself to arts and crafts etc
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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:27 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:So the solution you've thought up to make this appealing to some who may not want to live like this is being an alcoholic in a nursing home?


It’s a mansion

Plus the fine vintage and luxury meals could be purchased with your money

You can dedicate yourself to arts and crafts etc

The food, sure... it's attractive, to be honest. But can you really eat well with that body? I feel those people that is like that outside, and my sympathies to them, but I'm quite certain that the enjoyment is negated by their semi-crippled bodies.

And... eh, not much of a drinker, anyway. I figured that I could take up writing, but... rather dead and have another afterlife when I don't even know who the hell I am.

At least, this is what I thought so far. I have amnesia, I am pretty lame and in a wheelchair, and my only saving graces are my hands. I can only write so many Magnum Opuses (Opui?) and maybe some music before I figured that I would struggle and struggle again. Also doesn't help that no matter the amount of magic, being wheelchair-bound in a Medieval Era is a horrible time and place.. What if your King was couped? And the another one not too nice on you?
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The Blaatschapen wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
in this timeline she's officially declared dead after Glass Box imprisonment

it's somewhat improbable that you are (in the hypothetical) THE Annie Holstadt (there are lots of Annies) but the pieces are there for you to connect if you're so inclined to. In any event, its not necessary to believe one way or another to consider the king's offer.

If you are the Witch Queen, you don't know it anyways. So just treat it as IRL you would (memories are likely not coming back)


How many Annies are there?

Has there been a musical written about her?

I mean, it does seem like this Annie has had a hard knock life.

I laughed! :lol:

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:35 am

Valentine Z wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
It’s a mansion

Plus the fine vintage and luxury meals could be purchased with your money

You can dedicate yourself to arts and crafts etc

The food, sure... it's attractive, to be honest. But can you really eat well with that body? I feel those people that is like that outside, and my sympathies to them, but I'm quite certain that the enjoyment is negated by their semi-crippled bodies.

And... eh, not much of a drinker, anyway. I figured that I could take up writing, but... rather dead and have another afterlife when I don't even know who the hell I am.

At least, this is what I thought so far. I have amnesia, I am pretty lame and in a wheelchair, and my only saving graces are my hands. I can only write so many Magnum Opuses (Opui?) and maybe some music before I figured that I would struggle and struggle again. Also doesn't help that no matter the amount of magic, being wheelchair-bound in a Medieval Era is a horrible time and place.. What if your King was couped? And the another one not too nice on you?


Hmmm

So let’s say you could choose between a crippled high born life... vs a peasant/commoner existence but with complete body?

What would you choose?

Would you not want to live as a peasant?
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Infected Mushroom wrote:You are a young woman in medieval Europe.

One day you wake up in a comfortable bed. You are completely paralyzed from leg down and are confined to bed and wheelchair. You speak with an uncontrollable stutter and you find yourself being fed a ton of medications to survive because you have a rare medical condition.


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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:38 am

Valentine Z wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
How many Annies are there?

Has there been a musical written about her?

I mean, it does seem like this Annie has had a hard knock life.

Annie amount of Annies will do.

Seriously though, why Annie again? No, nothing wrong with that, but... I imagine that you might have a bit of a resentment over someone with that name.


I like the name Annie. It sounds really sweet.

In fact, if I ever decide to have a child or adoption, the girl would probably be called Annie.
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Postby Valentine Z » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:38 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Hmmm

So let’s say you could choose between a crippled high born life... vs a peasant/commoner existence but with complete body?

What would you choose?

Would you not want to live as a peasant?

I would say I think I have much higher chances as a peasant/commoner. Sure, I am not hopping around with the royalty, but... I think being able to move around freely helps a little more.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:39 am

Valentine Z wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Hmmm

So let’s say you could choose between a crippled high born life... vs a peasant/commoner existence but with complete body?

What would you choose?

Would you not want to live as a peasant?

I would say I think I have much higher chances as a peasant/commoner. Sure, I am not hopping around with the royalty, but... I think being able to move around freely helps a little more.


What about the manual labor?

And the lack of access to luxuries?
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