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Would you take the deal?

No (please explain)
12
17%
Yes (I would feel no resentment, this is 100% a gain overall and the King is really doing me a favor)
21
30%
Yes (I would feel little bit of resentment, I am gaining more than I'm losing so I won't feel TOO resentful, but its still a bit patronizing)
17
24%
Yes (I would feel moderate resentment, I am human and I cannot help it, this is exploitation)
6
9%
Yes (I would feel a lot of resentment, I 100% hate the fact that I have to do this, those smug royals, if I could I would get rid of them all)
6
9%
Other
8
11%
 
Total votes : 70

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Postby Caracasus » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:49 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:No. Prior to about 1830, swimming was practised by a few people -- almost all of them male.

In the Medieval period, water was viewed as a sinister "otherworld", populated by sea monsters and avoided by all those who did not make their living there -- in other words (from a Medieval perspective), it might be the perfect place for Witch Hitler.


then I see no reason to alter this

it is unlikely that Annie would have learned how to swim (not that it be useful anyways if she's crippled)

however, in the IM verse, all high born women are drilled/know how to fight with specialized ceremonial duelling blades/short swords; so even without magic, Annie is able to hold her own against commoners in fights if she has access to these types of weapons

obviously not as proficient as a full time knight but its still something; but everyone (magical or non magical) in the high born class must have some way of defending their personal honour if it comes to it


Hang on, I thought Annie had a childhood and adolescence of persecution and suffering to the point where we were supposed to feel sympathy for her even after the genocide stuff.

When did she fit the swordfighting lessons in between all that suffering, abuse and abnormaly large eyeballs?
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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:50 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You really need to stop calling this Medieval Europe. It is nothing like Medieval Europe.


it's the same thing EXCEPT (a list of things)

It's literally no similarity whatsoever.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:50 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You really need to stop calling this Medieval Europe. It is nothing like Medieval Europe.


it's the same thing EXCEPT (a list of things)

That except part makes it way to different. At this point it's not the medieval area and more closely aligned to medievalpunk (think the Thief games) at best and at worst is just utter bullshit with a few castles.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:51 am

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
it's the same thing EXCEPT (a list of things)

It's literally no similarity whatsoever.


Yeah. Our world has more in common with Meadievil Europe than this one.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:51 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:You really need to stop calling this Medieval Europe. It is nothing like Medieval Europe.


it's the same thing EXCEPT (a list of things)

It's not the same at all. You've shown over the course of these threads that you don't know the first thing about the Middle Ages.
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:52 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:No. Prior to about 1830, swimming was practised by a few people -- almost all of them male.

In the Medieval period, water was viewed as a sinister "otherworld", populated by sea monsters and avoided by all those who did not make their living there -- in other words (from a Medieval perspective), it might be the perfect place for Witch Hitler.


then I see no reason to alter this

it is unlikely that Annie would have learned how to swim (not that it be useful anyways if she's crippled)

It's very useful that Annie doesn't know how to swim. Quicker death in the pond.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:52 am

Caracasus wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
then I see no reason to alter this

it is unlikely that Annie would have learned how to swim (not that it be useful anyways if she's crippled)

however, in the IM verse, all high born women are drilled/know how to fight with specialized ceremonial duelling blades/short swords; so even without magic, Annie is able to hold her own against commoners in fights if she has access to these types of weapons

obviously not as proficient as a full time knight but its still something; but everyone (magical or non magical) in the high born class must have some way of defending their personal honour if it comes to it


Hang on, I thought Annie had a childhood and adolescence of persecution and suffering to the point where we were supposed to feel sympathy for her even after the genocide stuff.

When did she fit the swordfighting lessons in between all that suffering, abuse and abnormaly large eyeballs?

Because Witch Hitler is IM's Mary Sue waifu.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:52 am

Caracasus wrote:
Heloin wrote:It's literally no similarity whatsoever.


Yeah. Our world has more in common with Meadievil Europe than this one.

Really, this 'medieval world' reminds me more of a satirical world where nothing makes sense. Bizarro maybe?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:53 am

Caracasus wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
then I see no reason to alter this

it is unlikely that Annie would have learned how to swim (not that it be useful anyways if she's crippled)

however, in the IM verse, all high born women are drilled/know how to fight with specialized ceremonial duelling blades/short swords; so even without magic, Annie is able to hold her own against commoners in fights if she has access to these types of weapons

obviously not as proficient as a full time knight but its still something; but everyone (magical or non magical) in the high born class must have some way of defending their personal honour if it comes to it


Hang on, I thought Annie had a childhood and adolescence of persecution and suffering to the point where we were supposed to feel sympathy for her even after the genocide stuff.

When did she fit the swordfighting lessons in between all that suffering, abuse and abnormaly large eyeballs?


she was still raised and trained as a high born lady, which meant that she excelled at the arts and was fairly extensively drilled in high born short sword fighting; these things were expected because she was a member of the royal family

obviously once she gained her magical powers, she's a bit out of practice because the sword lessons would have taken a further backseat (and there can be a bit of a difference between actual sword fighting to the death and palace level duelling but it still gives her an edge 1 vs 1 against most commoners)

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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:53 am

Caracasus wrote:
Heloin wrote:It's literally no similarity whatsoever.


Yeah. Our world has more in common with Meadievil Europe than this one.

I want to visit Meadievel Europe, sounds like a good place to drink :p

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:54 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Hang on, I thought Annie had a childhood and adolescence of persecution and suffering to the point where we were supposed to feel sympathy for her even after the genocide stuff.

When did she fit the swordfighting lessons in between all that suffering, abuse and abnormaly large eyeballs?


she was still raised and trained as a high born lady, which meant that she excelled at the arts and was fairly extensively drilled in high born short sword fighting; these things were expected because she was a member of the royal family

obviously once she gained her magical powers, she's a bit out of practice because the sword lessons would have taken a further backseat (and there can be a bit of a difference between actual sword fighting to the death and palace level duelling but it still gives her an edge 1 vs 1 against most commoners)

So, wait. She was a part of the 1% and yet she had a bAd LiFe?

Wow, she's not only a genocidal dickhead but she's a spoiled genocidal dickhead.

Also, you only see that in Japanese Peasants. Women in Medieval Europe were expect to be little more than sex toys and baby makers for men. Hell, even upwards until the late 1800s/early 1900s the west saw women as little more than a piece of baby producing meat.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:55 am

Caracasus wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
then I see no reason to alter this

it is unlikely that Annie would have learned how to swim (not that it be useful anyways if she's crippled)

however, in the IM verse, all high born women are drilled/know how to fight with specialized ceremonial duelling blades/short swords; so even without magic, Annie is able to hold her own against commoners in fights if she has access to these types of weapons

obviously not as proficient as a full time knight but its still something; but everyone (magical or non magical) in the high born class must have some way of defending their personal honour if it comes to it


Hang on, I thought Annie had a childhood and adolescence of persecution and suffering to the point where we were supposed to feel sympathy for her even after the genocide stuff.

When did she fit the swordfighting lessons in between all that suffering, abuse and abnormaly large eyeballs?

While you were out partying, she studied the blade.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:55 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
it's the same thing EXCEPT (a list of things)

That except part makes it way to different. At this point it's not the medieval area and more closely aligned to medievalpunk (think the Thief games) at best and at worst is just utter bullshit with a few castles.


There's also the best general the world has ever seen whose masterplan involves losing a battle against superior numbers in enemy territory with no reserves and no plan to retreat because honour, war crimes galore and no dogs.

Honestly whoever I was in this universe I'd beg to be genocided just to end it all. Failing that, I'd find a duck pond.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:56 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
she was still raised and trained as a high born lady, which meant that she excelled at the arts and was fairly extensively drilled in high born short sword fighting; these things were expected because she was a member of the royal family

obviously once she gained her magical powers, she's a bit out of practice because the sword lessons would have taken a further backseat (and there can be a bit of a difference between actual sword fighting to the death and palace level duelling but it still gives her an edge 1 vs 1 against most commoners)

So, wait. She was a part of the 1% and yet she had a bAd LiFe?

Wow, she's not only a genocidal dickhead but she's a spoiled genocidal dickhead.

Also, you only see that in Japanese Peasants. Women in Medieval Europe were expect to be little more than sex toys for men.

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Postby Caracasus » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:57 am

Heloin wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Yeah. Our world has more in common with Meadievil Europe than this one.

I want to visit Meadievel Europe, sounds like a good place to drink :p


One advantage would be that unified spelling isn't a thing until the early modern period at the earliest, so my dyslexia wouldn't get in the way of that cushy sign painting job.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:58 am

Heloin wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:So, wait. She was a part of the 1% and yet she had a bAd LiFe?

Wow, she's not only a genocidal dickhead but she's a spoiled genocidal dickhead.

Also, you only see that in Japanese Peasants. Women in Medieval Europe were expect to be little more than sex toys for men.

"Gee, golly, gosh, gloriosky," thought Mary Sue as she stepped on the bridge of the Enterprise. "Here I am, the youngest lieutenant in the fleet - only fifteen and a half years old."


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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:58 am

Heloin wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:So, wait. She was a part of the 1% and yet she had a bAd LiFe?

Wow, she's not only a genocidal dickhead but she's a spoiled genocidal dickhead.

Also, you only see that in Japanese Peasants. Women in Medieval Europe were expect to be little more than sex toys for men.

"Gee, golly, gosh, gloriosky," thought Mary Sue Witch Hitler as she stepped on the bridge of the Enterprise Millions of Dead Orphans she killed. "Here I am, the youngest lieutenant genocidal warlord in the fleet this bullshit world - only fifteen and a half years old."

FTFY (Yes, I do get the reference)
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:59 am

Heloin wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Hang on, I thought Annie had a childhood and adolescence of persecution and suffering to the point where we were supposed to feel sympathy for her even after the genocide stuff.

When did she fit the swordfighting lessons in between all that suffering, abuse and abnormaly large eyeballs?

Because Witch Hitler is IM's Mary Sue waifu.

She's also the youngest bridge officer in the history of Star Fleet.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:59 am

Ifreann wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Hang on, I thought Annie had a childhood and adolescence of persecution and suffering to the point where we were supposed to feel sympathy for her even after the genocide stuff.

When did she fit the swordfighting lessons in between all that suffering, abuse and abnormaly large eyeballs?

While you were out partying, she studied the blade.


And how to do a genocide apparently...
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:00 am

Caracasus wrote:
Heloin wrote:I want to visit Meadievel Europe, sounds like a good place to drink :p


One advantage would be that unified spelling isn't a thing until the early modern period at the earliest, so my dyslexia wouldn't get in the way of that cushy sign painting job.

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Postby Caracasus » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:02 am

Ifreann wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
One advantage would be that unified spelling isn't a thing until the early modern period at the earliest, so my dyslexia wouldn't get in the way of that cushy sign painting job.

YON POND OF DUCK ->


ANDE ALSO MAGICKE BASTARD DROWNING (In fresher paint)
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Postby Dogmeat » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:32 am

Heloin wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Hang on, I thought Annie had a childhood and adolescence of persecution and suffering to the point where we were supposed to feel sympathy for her even after the genocide stuff.

When did she fit the swordfighting lessons in between all that suffering, abuse and abnormaly large eyeballs?

Because Witch Hitler is IM's Mary Sue waifu.

Given the amount of abuse he puts her through, that's...

Let's just chalk that up to "worrying."
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:44 am

Dogmeat wrote:
Heloin wrote:Because Witch Hitler is IM's Mary Sue waifu.

Given the amount of abuse he puts her through, that's...

Let's just chalk that up to "worrying."

She has to suffer so IM can save her.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:32 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:Given the amount of abuse he puts her through, that's...

Let's just chalk that up to "worrying."

She has to suffer so IM can save her.

I think that's called "abuse" and "Please Call 911"
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:35 am

Dogmeat wrote:
Heloin wrote:Because Witch Hitler is IM's Mary Sue waifu.

Given the amount of abuse he puts her through, that's...

Let's just chalk that up to "worrying."


I think it's more the idea that abuse and a troubled past make someone really mysterious and interesting. Well, as long as they're from an upper middle class or above family, and not one of those dreadful poors.

It's not the case outside badly written fiction of course, but it sure is a popular trope.
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