Hypothetical: A Crippled Annie

[Neanderthaland]

So as I predicted (regarding human nature) most would choose Yes (people want to be healed and they want nobility/status). However, humans being humans, we cannot help but feel a bit of resentment when we feel we aren’t treated with respect in the process or are being exploited.

However, we tend to do what yields the greatest material benefits. Even where we know there will some resentment and where some principles (ex not everyone is a monarchist) May have to be compromised.

Hence we have a solid majority saying yes

Notably, I answered yes but it’s a prelude to betrayal and the return of Witch Hitler. It’s much easier to replace a monarch with another monarch than a democratic society.

Further notably, there is no way to know whether IM rigged the poll with puppets. He's been known to do that.

[Infected Mushroom]

So as I predicted (regarding human nature) most would choose Yes (people want to be healed and they want nobility/status). However, humans being humans, we cannot help but feel a bit of resentment when we feel we aren’t treated with respect in the process or are being exploited.

However, we tend to do what yields the greatest material benefits. Even where we know there will some resentment and where some principles (ex not everyone is a monarchist) May have to be compromised.

Hence we have a solid majority saying yes

Notably, I answered yes but it’s a prelude to betrayal and the return of Witch Hitler. It’s much easier to replace a monarch with another monarch than a democratic society.

Still more reasonable than a lot of the other posts

At least this is with a realistic understanding of the culture and the system (and you reserve the right to back out of the plan later if you end up liking the system)

Also, remember that you may or may not be Annie, it is possible the memories never return

[Neanderthaland]

Notably, I answered yes but it’s a prelude to betrayal and the return of Witch Hitler. It’s much easier to replace a monarch with another monarch than a democratic society.

Still more reasonable than a lot of the other posts

At least this is with a realistic understanding of the culture and the system (and you reserve the right to back out of the plan later if you end up liking the system)

Also, remember that you may or may not be Annie, it is possible the memories never return

My very first criticism of all this was that it wasn't realistic. Which you didn't deny.

I'll go on to say that you don't have the first clue what medieval culture or systems were like.

[Galloism]

Notably, I answered yes but it’s a prelude to betrayal and the return of Witch Hitler. It’s much easier to replace a monarch with another monarch than a democratic society.

Still more reasonable than a lot of the other posts

At least this is with a realistic understanding of the culture and the system (and you reserve the right to back out of the plan later if you end up liking the system)

Also, remember that you may or may not be Annie, it is possible the memories never return

Let’s be honest, if you say “you might be Witch Hitler”, you are 100% Witch Hitler.

[Neanderthaland]

Still more reasonable than a lot of the other posts

At least this is with a realistic understanding of the culture and the system (and you reserve the right to back out of the plan later if you end up liking the system)

Also, remember that you may or may not be Annie, it is possible the memories never return

Let’s be honest, if you say “you might be Witch Hitler”, you are 100% Witch Hitler.

I know, right?

This isn't even a passably "clever" twist, like finding out Te Kā is Te Fiti. It's like learning that Ursula is the bad guy. "Who would have seen that coming?!"

[Infected Mushroom]

Still more reasonable than a lot of the other posts

At least this is with a realistic understanding of the culture and the system (and you reserve the right to back out of the plan later if you end up liking the system)

Also, remember that you may or may not be Annie, it is possible the memories never return

Let’s be honest, if you say “you might be Witch Hitler”, you are 100% Witch Hitler.

The premise is “there is a probability that you are”... taking into account the possibility, what do you do

That’s different from a premise that’s says you Are/Are Not X

[Galloism]

Let’s be honest, if you say “you might be Witch Hitler”, you are 100% Witch Hitler.

The premise is “there is a probability that you are”... taking into account the possibility, what do you do

That’s different from a premise that’s says you Are/Are Not X

Given the roughly 100% probability, play along, then betray your enemies at the first opportunity and resume your job as Witch Hitler.

[Infected Mushroom]

The premise is “there is a probability that you are”... taking into account the possibility, what do you do

That’s different from a premise that’s says you Are/Are Not X

Given the roughly 100% probability, play along, then betray your enemies at the first opportunity and resume your job as Witch Hitler.

The exact value of the probability is not disclosed

[Neanderthaland]

Given the roughly 100% probability, play along, then betray your enemies at the first opportunity and resume your job as Witch Hitler.

The exact value of the probability is not disclosed

Because it's 100%.

You're not fooling anyone.

[Infected Mushroom]

The exact value of the probability is not disclosed

Because it's 100%.

You're not fooling anyone.

this is not how an imperfect knowledge premise works

[Heloin]

Notably, I answered yes but it’s a prelude to betrayal and the return of Witch Hitler. It’s much easier to replace a monarch with another monarch than a democratic society.

Still more reasonable than a lot of the other posts

At least this is with a realistic understanding of the culture and the system (and you reserve the right to back out of the plan later if you end up liking the system)

Firstly I find it insulting that you think my regicide plan or NCR's pond plan is in anyway unrealistic or unreasonable. Secondly you are often arguing in these threads with people who actually know about history and culture. I can say with assurance that you're understanding of any sort of monarchical or medieval culture is at the very best deeply flawed.

Also, remember that you may or may not be Annie, it is possible the memories never return

If an option is you may not be then the answer is you are. This song and dance routine isn't fooling anyone.

[Kowani]

Because it's 100%.

You're not fooling anyone.

this is not how an imperfect knowledge premise works

Because you have no idea how to actually build your premise.

[Infected Mushroom]

this is not how an imperfect knowledge premise works

Because you have no idea how to actually build your premise.

everything you need to know to make an informed decision is in the OP

these other things are just in-universe curiosities; whether or not you are Annie doesn't matter because you in-character don't know either way

[Heloin]

Because you have no idea how to actually build your premise.

everything you need to know to make an informed decision is in the OP

I'd ask if I was Witch Hitler.

these other things are just in-universe curiosities; whether or not you are Annie doesn't matter because you in-character don't know either way

That means we are.

[Galloism]

everything you need to know to make an informed decision is in the OP

I'd ask if I was Witch Hitler.

Incidentally, this designation amuses me greatly.

[Heloin]

I'd ask if I was Witch Hitler.

Incidentally, this designation amuses me greatly.

Thank Ifreann for that one. If I'm remembering correctly he's the one that came up with it about a year ago.

[Infected Mushroom]

The 18 percent combined who say Yes but will feel moderate t high resentment is what I’m really interested in

That typifies what I’m trying to get at with the thread

This really is human nature in display

Also, I like how there’s a gradient with the vote options

[Infected Mushroom]

I am also curious how much of a factor the granting of nobility status played in the polls

What if instead of status a ton of money was offered instead?

Historically there have been poor nobles, status doesn’t always equate to wealth

Would the polls change?

[Neanderthaland]

Because it's 100%.

You're not fooling anyone.

this is not how an imperfect knowledge premise works

This is how being genre savvy works.

[Pacomia]

No. If anything, I’ll be a mascot for the Jacobins.

[Ifreann]

Incidentally, this designation amuses me greatly.

Thank Ifreann for that one. If I'm remembering correctly he's the one that came up with it about a year ago.

Did I? Awesome.

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The 18 percent combined who say Yes but will feel moderate t high resentment is what I’m really interested in

That typifies what I’m trying to get at with the thread

This really is human nature in display

Also, I like how there’s a gradient with the vote options

See, if you were actually interested in understanding human behaviour, you'd be asking follow up questions of those people, to understand why they'd act and feel that way.

Instead you're just preening, wallowing in self-gratification, because you got the answer you wanted. You're just trying to confirm your existing beliefs, not learn the truth, and you get mad at anything that challenges your preconceived notions.

[Caracasus]

The 18 percent combined who say Yes but will feel moderate t high resentment is what I’m really interested in

That typifies what I’m trying to get at with the thread

This really is human nature in display

Also, I like how there’s a gradient with the vote options

Nah. Loads of people are just not answering your polls until 'roll into a pond and quietly drown' is added as an option to this and all subsequent hypotheticals.

[The Free Joy State]

The 18 percent combined who say Yes but will feel moderate t high resentment is what I’m really interested in

That typifies what I’m trying to get at with the thread

This really is human nature in display

Also, I like how there’s a gradient with the vote options

Nah. Loads of people are just not answering your polls until 'roll into a pond and quietly drown' is added as an option to this and all subsequent hypotheticals.

Or, at least Witch Hitler related hypotheticals.

I mean, let's look at her from the two points of view raised on her:

1 -- the common perspective -- she is a cruel genocidal mass-murderer and society must be protected. There is an argument for protecting society by a court-mandated death penalty in that instance.

2 -- the view IM wishes to advance -- she is a person who has lived a life full of unending tragedies and sufferings. There is an argument for relieving the pain -- which we are told is unimaginable and lifelong -- via painless and compassionate euthanasia in such an instance. Why must she continue to suffer in multiple threads?

[The New California Republic]

The 18 percent combined who say Yes but will feel moderate t high resentment is what I’m really interested in

That typifies what I’m trying to get at with the thread

This really is human nature in display

Also, I like how there’s a gradient with the vote options

[...] you get mad at anything that challenges your preconceived notions.

Hence why he went at me with that—quite frankly weird—kneejerk overreaction of instantly trying to shoot down what I said, and then shifting to accusing me of not being serious, and then changing tack by thinking I was trying to "impress him" or some shit. The only reason that so many different strategies would be used to devalue what I said is because it threatens his preconceived narrative in some way.

[Caracasus]

Nah. Loads of people are just not answering your polls until 'roll into a pond and quietly drown' is added as an option to this and all subsequent hypotheticals.

Or, at least Witch Hitler related hypotheticals.

I mean, let's look at her from the two points of view raised on her:

1 -- the common perspective -- she is a cruel genocidal mass-murderer and society must be protected. There is an argument for protecting society by a court-mandated death penalty in that instance.

2 -- the view IM wishes to advance -- she is a person who has lived a life full of unending tragedies and sufferings. There is an argument for relieving the pain -- which we are told is unimaginable and lifelong -- via painless and compassionate euthanasia in such an instance. Why must she continue to suffer in multiple threads?

Agreed. Whatever your stance, the best thing for Witch Hitler Annie is quick and painless euthanasia. Failing that, a sad little trail of bubbles popping on the surface of the village pond.