NATION

PASSWORD

Is being overweight really unhealthy?

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
The Huskar Social Union
Post Czar
 
Posts: 45096
Founded: Apr 04, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The Huskar Social Union » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:25 am

As someone who is overweight, yes, yes it is.


Now a little bit overweight, probably not no, being largely overweight, very much so.
Im Irish and live in Belfast Im a Leftwinger and im an Atheist

‘I never thought in terms of being a leader. I thought very simply in terms of helping people’ - John Hume

I like: The Red Agenda, video games, Not being a Wanker, Art, History, Blondes, Redheads, English Brunettes, Fortifications, Old Gregg, Tanks
I Dislike: The Blue Agenda, Being a Wanker, Gatekeeping, Likes and Dislikes lists, Dismantling Fortifications, Zealots, People who dont like Tanks

User avatar
Alvecia
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 19547
Founded: Aug 17, 2015
Democratic Socialists

Postby Alvecia » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:31 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:As someone who is overweight, yes, yes it is.


Now a little bit overweight, probably not no, being largely overweight, very much so.

I think a little bit overweight is healthy in the same way that a 51/49 ratio is unbalanced.

Like, technically yeah, but negligibly so.
British
Atheist
IT Support
That there is no exception to the rule "There is an exception to every rule" is the exception that proves the rule.
---
Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll stop asking you to catch his fish.
That's not happening
That shouldn't be happening
Why is that happening?
That's why it's happening?
How has this ever worked?

User avatar
Risottia
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 53011
Founded: Sep 05, 2006
New York Times Democracy

Postby Risottia » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:33 am

Absolutely not. Obesity is good and shows that you're rich and from a rich country. Plus, it's good for the economy. Eat MORE. MORE! MORE!!!

...

*beep*
-Yes, mr.President, our plan to have Americans exterminate themselves is coming along nicely. Muhahahaha!
Statanist through and through.
Evilutionist Atheist Crusadjihadist. "Darwinu Akhbar! Dawkins vult!"
Founder of the NSG Peace Prize Committee.
I'm back.
SUMMER, BLOODY SUMMER!

User avatar
Ethel mermania
Post Kaiser
 
Posts: 106876
Founded: Aug 20, 2010
Father Knows Best State

Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:34 am

Define overweight is the question. 20 lbs, or 200 lbs? As I recall reading physical conditioning is more important than weight to overall health. But I dont know many 400 lb people in good physical condition
The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion … but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact; non-Westerners never do.

http://www.salientpartners.com/epsilont ... ilizations

User avatar
Greater Loegria
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1577
Founded: Jan 15, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Greater Loegria » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:35 am

Of course it is, your body simply cannot function as well as it ought to and you will sweat more easily, find it harder to run.

Being overweight is essentially simplified to; you're eating more than you burn off and therefore your body is expanding. If you eat a balanced diet and regularly exercise then you should stay fairly trim.
CONFŒDERATIO MAGNA LŒGRIÆ
Y Gynghraig Lloegreg Mawr

If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.-J.R.R Tolkien
A theocratic military junta, a Brythonic ennobled republic with a Roman flair. Imperialistic and Nationalistic, balancing deep social conservatism with a social economy. 260 million strong, led by a Lord Chancellor from the ancient city of Caer Ddywfol
Tradionalist Catholic British Nationalist
Pro: Christianity, Nationalism, Traditionalism, Environmentalism, Ruralism, Integralism and Ancestral Heritage
Anti: Globalism, Progressivism, Capitalism, Socialism, Immigration, Neo-Liberalism
British Catholic Student of Classical Antiquity. Fond of pints, rugger, the outdoors and Western Classical Arts. Reservist-in-Training

User avatar
Marxist Germany
Minister
 
Posts: 2049
Founded: Jun 07, 2018
Corporate Bordello

Postby Marxist Germany » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:38 am

Yes.

/thread
Country represents RL views mostly. Not Marxist anymore.
Author of GA#461, GA#470, GA#477, GA#481, GA#486 (co-author), and SC#295

Ex-delegate of The United Federations; citizen and ex-Senior Senator of 10000 Islands | Gaming User#0721(Discord)
RP name: Germany
The National Factbook (WIP)
Ambassador Klaus Schmidt
Political Compass
Pro:Laissez-faire, Cultural Nationalism, Guns, Free speech, Christianity, United Ireland.
Anti:"Progressivism", Abortion, Transgenderism, Socialism, Interventionism, Mass-migration.

User avatar
Dytarma
Minister
 
Posts: 2194
Founded: Nov 24, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Dytarma » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:31 am

Bombadil wrote:
Dytarma wrote:It's not so much the cartilage, it's the fat, specifically the visceral fat surrounding the organs, that causes medical problems. He's also like 6'3", so that may have something to do with the joints as well.


Indeed, there's different types of fat..

Are Sumo wrestlers unhealthy..?

I already know the answer to that, they're fat is immediately under the skin, not surrounding the organs.
I don't acknowledge the existence of genders and I'm pro death on abortion. All babies must die (sc).
Master Dispatch (or everything I don't want deleted)
Dytarma's Birthday
Don't know what else to put, so I'm -0.63 left and -0.26 libertarian according to The Political Compass

User avatar
Chestaan
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6927
Founded: Sep 30, 2011
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Chestaan » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:42 am

Generally the evidence seems to point to it being unhealthy, depends on the degree of overweightness of course. However, it is important to point out that this in no way means it is ok to bully or harass those who are overweight, as some people seem to think.
Council Communist
TG me if you want to chat, especially about economics, you can never have enough discussions on economics.Especially game theory :)
Economic Left/Right: -9.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62

Getting the Guillotine

User avatar
West Leas Oros 2
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5023
Founded: Jul 15, 2018
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:44 am

A little bit of fat is beneficial, but the whole meaning of "overweight" is so nebulous and vague.
WLO Public News: Outdated Factbooks and other documents in process of major redesign! ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATE: <error:not found>
How many South Americans need to be killed by the CIA before you realize socialism is bad?
I like to think I've come a long way since the days of the First WLO.
Conscientious Objector in the “Culture War”

NationStates Leftist Alternative only needs a couple more nations before it can hold its constitutional convention!

User avatar
Arkhane
Diplomat
 
Posts: 858
Founded: Jul 29, 2012
Father Knows Best State

Postby Arkhane » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:46 am

It's on the "over" part of the "weight".

User avatar
GLDF
Envoy
 
Posts: 223
Founded: Aug 13, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby GLDF » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:35 pm

Yes, it is. It is very harmful.

Like Bill Maher or not, he's sometimes right. Other times, he's an asshole.
Nova Cyberia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What's infinity plus one?

4?

User avatar
Chernoslavia
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9762
Founded: Jun 13, 2011
Corporate Bordello

Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:36 pm

Oh ffs yes!
/Thread
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn

User avatar
The Imperium Empires
Minister
 
Posts: 3301
Founded: Feb 25, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby The Imperium Empires » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:58 pm

It should be noted that the BMI index is not exactly a great system to measure someones weight off, of which many people do so.
We are not an apolcypse themed nation anymore read my factbook. I barley follow nation states stats. We are an Empire that gives civil rights and there no problem with that. We are advanced and would like anyone who wants to be friends to telegram us.

User avatar
Diopolis
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16797
Founded: May 15, 2012
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Diopolis » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:08 am

Not necessarily, although it certainly can be. A bit like smoking.
Proudly anti-mask, moderately anti-vax.
Economic left -3.88, authoritarian 6.15
Thoughts
Abortion is not healthcare.

User avatar
LiberNovusAmericae
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6945
Founded: Mar 10, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:45 am

Let's do some fat body building. :p
China Lied, People Died.
Anti-imperialism is really code for anti-west.
Not to be confused with Novus America! We are NOT the same player.

User avatar
Hammer Britannia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5349
Founded: Oct 08, 2016
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:49 am

Yes, excessive body fat is unhealthy. If you mean muscles, then sure: it isn't. But excessive body fat has and will lead usually to health problems if not dealt with.
Last edited by Hammer Britannia on Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:49 am, edited 1 time in total.
The FN FAL fetishist, Bisexual Libertarian Pagan, 28-year-old Boomer your mom warned you about
Supreme Dictator WA delegate of The Labyrinth. Please join, we have memes
Discord Server (Abandon all hope, ye who enter here!)

User avatar
LiberNovusAmericae
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6945
Founded: Mar 10, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:40 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:Yes, excessive body fat is unhealthy. If you mean muscles, then sure: it isn't. But excessive body fat has and will lead usually to health problems if not dealt with.

That is common sense.
China Lied, People Died.
Anti-imperialism is really code for anti-west.
Not to be confused with Novus America! We are NOT the same player.

User avatar
SD_Film Artists
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11517
Founded: Jun 10, 2009
Father Knows Best State

Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:59 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Dytarma wrote:Yes, it really is unhealthy. Friends are having joint problems because of it.

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. That still leaves the question of why big pharma relies upon...


Is this an American joke that I'm too European to understand? The NHS could do with getting some cheaper medication but other than that I don't understand why "bIG pHaRma" is such a boogyman.

Anyway, being overwight is obviously unhealthy nomatter what your politics are.
Last edited by SD_Film Artists on Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:01 am, edited 2 times in total.
Lurking NSG since 2005
Economic Left/Right: -2.62, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.67
Science Under Attack
Autism/Aspergers
History of Games
When anybody preaches disunity, tries to pit one of us against each other through class warfare, race hatred, or religious intolerance, you know that person seeks to rob us of our freedom and destroy our very lives.


Charlie Brooker wrote:It's spider season. Every year, right about now, thousands of the godless eight-legged bastards emerge from the bowels of hell (or the garden, whichever's nearest) with the sole intention of tormenting humankind. Spider season is like a live-action version of the videogame Doom.

User avatar
Hammer Britannia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5349
Founded: Oct 08, 2016
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:10 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Okay, now we're getting somewhere. That still leaves the question of why big pharma relies upon...


Is this an American joke that I'm too European to understand? The NHS could do with getting some cheaper medication but other than that I don't understand why "bIG pHaRma" is such a boogyman.

Scapegoatism

tl;dr: "Healthcare is expensive in the states for reasons beyond my comprehention, therefore it's evil and cannot be trusted."

It's essentially anti-science. It's the reason why we have anti-vaxxers, homoeopathy nuts, and people who believe smoking is A-OK
The FN FAL fetishist, Bisexual Libertarian Pagan, 28-year-old Boomer your mom warned you about
Supreme Dictator WA delegate of The Labyrinth. Please join, we have memes
Discord Server (Abandon all hope, ye who enter here!)

User avatar
SD_Film Artists
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11517
Founded: Jun 10, 2009
Father Knows Best State

Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:12 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
Is this an American joke that I'm too European to understand? The NHS could do with getting some cheaper medication but other than that I don't understand why "bIG pHaRma" is such a boogyman.

Scapegoatism

tl;dr: "Healthcare is expensive in the states for reasons beyond my comprehention, therefore it's evil and cannot be trusted."

It's essentially anti-science. It's the reason why we have anti-vaxxers, homoeopathy nuts, and people who believe smoking is A-OK


Makes sense :/
Lurking NSG since 2005
Economic Left/Right: -2.62, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.67
Science Under Attack
Autism/Aspergers
History of Games
When anybody preaches disunity, tries to pit one of us against each other through class warfare, race hatred, or religious intolerance, you know that person seeks to rob us of our freedom and destroy our very lives.


Charlie Brooker wrote:It's spider season. Every year, right about now, thousands of the godless eight-legged bastards emerge from the bowels of hell (or the garden, whichever's nearest) with the sole intention of tormenting humankind. Spider season is like a live-action version of the videogame Doom.

User avatar
Takso
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 189
Founded: Aug 15, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Takso » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:27 am

The idea that there can be "health at every size" is a myth spread by fat propagandists. Unhealthy food should be taxed for the sake of public health, sugary beverages at 10-20%: https://www.dietitians.ca/Dietitians-Vi ... ation.aspx

Additional restrictions should be placed on marketing unhealthy products that cost taxpayers billions annually in health expenditures.

"Fat activists" should be also fined for spreading misinformation and glorifying obesity. That way they'll have less money to spend on getting fat (most of these people are obese in denial). It's a win win.

Want to help people be more confident with their bodies? Start by not encouraging them to destroy their bodies in the first place by putting on lots of fat.

"Fat acceptance" is equivalent to saying smokers who have lung cancer are just living an "alternative lifestyle" and that you can have "health at every lung capacity".

I hold the same view for other eating disorders. "Anorexia enthusiasts" should have their websites seized by the state, fined for encouraging life-threatening dietary practices, and receive mandatory psychological evaluations.

User avatar
Valrifell
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 27328
Founded: Aug 18, 2013
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Valrifell » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:35 am

Not necessarily, dietary science is really complicated and hard.
Last edited by Valrifell on Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:36 am, edited 1 time in total.
Sint Musis socii Charites, Furia omnis abesto

User avatar
SD_Film Artists
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 11517
Founded: Jun 10, 2009
Father Knows Best State

Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:53 am

Takso wrote:Unhealthy food should be taxed for the sake of public health, sugary beverages at 10-20%



As long as an equal tax is put on artificial sweeteners like aspartame. I'd much rather be fat than have cancer.
Last edited by SD_Film Artists on Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:53 am, edited 1 time in total.
Lurking NSG since 2005
Economic Left/Right: -2.62, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.67
Science Under Attack
Autism/Aspergers
History of Games
When anybody preaches disunity, tries to pit one of us against each other through class warfare, race hatred, or religious intolerance, you know that person seeks to rob us of our freedom and destroy our very lives.


Charlie Brooker wrote:It's spider season. Every year, right about now, thousands of the godless eight-legged bastards emerge from the bowels of hell (or the garden, whichever's nearest) with the sole intention of tormenting humankind. Spider season is like a live-action version of the videogame Doom.

User avatar
Grand Britannia
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 14616
Founded: Apr 15, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:00 am

We talking overweight or obese?

Obesity shortens your lifespan and can cause heart problems among other things. Overweight usually only means you're outside the weight range you're suppose to be in; not necessarily bad, but you should consider watching your diet.
Member of laissez-fair right-wing worker-mistreatment brigade
Why Britannians are always late
Please help a family in need, every penny counts.
Mainland Map | "Weebs must secure the existence of anime and a future for cute aryan waifus"| IIwiki
I Identify as a Graf Zeppelin class aircraft carrier, please refer to me as she.
Economic Left/Right: 2.25 | Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 6.72

User avatar
Takso
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 189
Founded: Aug 15, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Takso » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:02 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Takso wrote:Unhealthy food should be taxed for the sake of public health, sugary beverages at 10-20%



As long as an equal tax is put on artificial sweeteners like aspartame. I'd much rather be fat than have cancer.


That is categorically false. Aspartame is not considered a threat to human health and actually could be used to fight the obesity epidemic.

Wikipedia article on Aspartame wrote:The safety of aspartame has been studied since its discovery and is one of the most rigorously tested food ingredients. Aspartame has been deemed safe for human consumption by over 100 regulatory agencies in their respective countries, including the United States Food and Drug Administration, UK Food Standards Agency, the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA), Health Canada, and Australia-New Zealand.

As of 2017, reviews of clinical trials showed that using aspartame (or other non-nutritive sweeteners) in place of sugar reduces calorie intake and body weight in adults and children.

A 2017 review of metabolic effects by consuming aspartame found that it did not affect blood glucose, insulin, total cholesterol, triglycerides, calorie intake, or body weight, while high-density lipoprotein levels were higher.


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame ... th_effects

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: -SARS-, Absolon-7, Aclion, Aggicificicerous, Eahland, Fractalnavel, Greater Miami Shores, Grinning Dragon, Kortunal, Luminesa, Monsone, Novus America, Rusozak, Salus Maior, Shrillland, Smoya, The Two Jerseys, Uiiop, UniversalCommons, Yasuragi

Advertisement

Remove ads