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Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:05 am**

UIS Leviathan wrote:
Vaukiai wrote:Nothing to clarify.

Then don’t say that?
Are you purposely wasting my time in order to act all cool and mysterious or something?

So, diverting back to the thread... You're against telling children about Hell, if I remember correctly? Does that include mentioning it in a "We believe, others' don't and whatever you believe is cool" context?

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:08 am**

It is normal to teach religion to children. Education is free. If we follow the reasoning of those who want to forbid religious education to children, then the abuses may appear in other areas of education.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:10 am**

The Free Joy State wrote:
UIS Leviathan wrote:Then don’t say that?
Are you purposely wasting my time in order to act all cool and mysterious or something?

So, diverting back to the thread... You're against telling children about Hell, if I remember correctly? Does that include mentioning it in a "We believe, others' don't and whatever you believe is cool" context?

I suppose that’s fine by me. I just don’t like when people are practically forcing it on their kids. I was raised without religion, my parents didn’t care if I believed in flying dildos or gods. I think I even went through a Hindu phase for a bit. I didn’t even know what my dad was until I was like 14.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:25 am**

teach memes instead

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:25 am**

UIS Leviathan wrote:
The Free Joy State wrote:So, diverting back to the thread... You're against telling children about Hell, if I remember correctly? Does that include mentioning it in a "We believe, others' don't and whatever you believe is cool" context?

I suppose that’s fine by me. I just don’t like when people are practically forcing it on their kids. I was raised without religion, my parents didn’t care if I believed in flying dildos or gods. I think I even went through a Hindu phase for a bit. I didn’t even know what my dad was until I was like 14.

That's the proper way to do it. Never force it onto a child, because then it simply becomes indoctrination. It took me years to untangle myself from all the religious dogma that was dropped upon me and religion only became a chain around my neck. Parents should never force a religion onto a child.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:25 am**

Naralanesia wrote:teach memes instead

now this I can get behind

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:31 am**

Dumb Ideologies wrote:A little bit of fear of vengeful spiritual forces has long been a popular way to try to scare children into behaving well.

It seems unlikely to do lasting damage and it might steer them onto the right path until they're capable of making up their own minds. I have no problem with it.

Anecdotally, lingering fear of hell is something that a lot of atheist “converts” struggle with even years after giving up their religion.
Depending on how it’s taught it can be in many instances almost traumatically ingrained, such that even knowing intellectually it is not real does not erase the emotional impact of it.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:33 am**

Alvecia wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:A little bit of fear of vengeful spiritual forces has long been a popular way to try to scare children into behaving well.

It seems unlikely to do lasting damage and it might steer them onto the right path until they're capable of making up their own minds. I have no problem with it.

Anecdotally, lingering fear of hell is something that a lot of atheist “converts” struggle with even years after giving up their religion.
Depending on how it’s taught it can be in many instances almost traumatically ingrained, such that even knowing intellectually it is not real does not erase the emotional impact of it.

As someone who has recently turned to atheism, this rings so painfully true. It's sickening, that people are drilled with so much fear and dread for something not real.

Even to this day, whenever the devil is mentioned I get a flush of fear and anxiety, even though my brain immediately rushes to calm me down that it's not real and made up by people to scare others into believing their nonsense. That is what religion does to people, it scars them emotionally and deeply.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:41 am**

Great Robertia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Anecdotally, lingering fear of hell is something that a lot of atheist “converts” struggle with even years after giving up their religion.
Depending on how it’s taught it can be in many instances almost traumatically ingrained, such that even knowing intellectually it is not real does not erase the emotional impact of it.

As someone who has recently turned to atheism, this rings so painfully true. It's sickening, that people are drilled with so much fear and dread for something not real.

Even to this day, whenever the devil is mentioned I get a flush of fear and anxiety, even though my brain immediately rushes to calm me down that it's not real and made up by people to scare others into believing their nonsense. That is what religion does to people, it scars them emotionally and deeply.

If you ever want to talk about it, feel free to message us.
I can’t promise that I’ll be very good, but I’m happy to try.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:42 am**

Great Robertia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Anecdotally, lingering fear of hell is something that a lot of atheist “converts” struggle with even years after giving up their religion.
Depending on how it’s taught it can be in many instances almost traumatically ingrained, such that even knowing intellectually it is not real does not erase the emotional impact of it.

As someone who has recently turned to atheism, this rings so painfully true. It's sickening, that people are drilled with so much fear and dread for something not real.

Even to this day, whenever the devil is mentioned I get a flush of fear and anxiety, even though my brain immediately rushes to calm me down that it's not real and made up by people to scare others into believing their nonsense. That is what religion does to people, it scars them emotionally and deeply.

I got over it by realizing how insanely ridiculous it is. If you do bad, and the devil likes that, why would he punish you? Would you not be rewarded? Or at least would Hell not being just a darker, warmer heaven? Wouldn’t it be awkward with Hitler and the jews?

It’s frankly ridiculous. Don’t let it get you down man, stick to your guns and you’ll be fine. Hang in there it gets much better, trust me.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:10 am**

Vaukiai wrote:
Pacomia wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartarus

Ah. And what's the point in the question?

Based on the assumption you are in favour of teaching children about hell I wonder if you are also in favour of teaching them about the hellish places of other religions.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:17 am**

The Grims wrote:
Vaukiai wrote:Ah. And what's the point in the question?

Based on the assumption you are in favour of teaching children about hell I wonder if you are also in favour of teaching them about the hellish places of other religions.

Which I suggested on page 1.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:24 am**

Alvecia wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:A little bit of fear of vengeful spiritual forces has long been a popular way to try to scare children into behaving well.

It seems unlikely to do lasting damage and it might steer them onto the right path until they're capable of making up their own minds. I have no problem with it.

Anecdotally, lingering fear of hell is something that a lot of atheist “converts” struggle with even years after giving up their religion.
Depending on how it’s taught it can be in many instances almost traumatically ingrained, such that even knowing intellectually it is not real does not erase the emotional impact of it.

It's a fair point, and perhaps care should be taken not to make it too graphic. There is a difficulty in understanding whether something is necessarily trauma from the teaching of the concept, or the ordinary doubt of the agnostic atheist being processed incorrectly due to wider psychological issues.

I was brought up without religion and don't have faith yet have my moments of sheer terror in this regard as well, for example.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:26 am**

Pacomia wrote:
Europa Undivided wrote:""""""""""Trauma"""""""""

"""""""arbritary""""""""

Yes, you have no idea what you speak of.

Alright, fine, “trauma” may have been a teeny tiny exaggeration. But the rules set by the Bible are most definitely arbitrary.

State one example of being arbitrary.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:28 am**

Europa Undivided wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Alright, fine, “trauma” may have been a teeny tiny exaggeration. But the rules set by the Bible are most definitely arbitrary.

State one example of being arbitrary.

No mixed fabrics
No shellfish

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:34 am**

The New California Republic wrote:
The Grims wrote:
Based on the assumption you are in favour of teaching children about hell I wonder if you are also in favour of teaching them about the hellish places of other religions.

Which I suggested on page 1.

The followup question would be if they support teaching ONLY one of those other places instead of Hell.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:35 am**

In the interests of balance, this is why it is important to tell small children about the Scissorman who will cut off their fingers and toes with a large pair of scissors if he catches them going to church.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:36 am**

Alvecia wrote:
Europa Undivided wrote:State one example of being arbitrary.

No mixed fabrics
No shellfish

The mixed fabrics one is Lucifers doing. He prefere style.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:41 am**

Alvecia wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:A little bit of fear of vengeful spiritual forces has long been a popular way to try to scare children into behaving well.

It seems unlikely to do lasting damage and it might steer them onto the right path until they're capable of making up their own minds. I have no problem with it.

Anecdotally, lingering fear of hell is something that a lot of atheist “converts” struggle with even years after giving up their religion.
Depending on how it’s taught it can be in many instances almost traumatically ingrained, such that even knowing intellectually it is not real does not erase the emotional impact of it.

What doesn't traumatize people nowadays? :roll:

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:47 am**

Of source we should teach them about hell, especially since that's what most people's lives end up turning into anyways.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:48 am**

Cappuccina wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Anecdotally, lingering fear of hell is something that a lot of atheist “converts” struggle with even years after giving up their religion.
Depending on how it’s taught it can be in many instances almost traumatically ingrained, such that even knowing intellectually it is not real does not erase the emotional impact of it.

What doesn't traumatize people nowadays?

The only thing that’s changed is we actually give a shit about people’s mental well-being these days.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:48 am**

Cappuccina wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Anecdotally, lingering fear of hell is something that a lot of atheist “converts” struggle with even years after giving up their religion.
Depending on how it’s taught it can be in many instances almost traumatically ingrained, such that even knowing intellectually it is not real does not erase the emotional impact of it.

What doesn't traumatize people nowadays?

Love, happiness, emotional and mental support, acceptance, compassion, etc... Despite for some reasons constantly wanting to go to war and have conflict, the human mind doesn't actually handle violence and negative emotions all too well.

Ironically, Satanists support and encourage most of those behaviors.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:50 am**

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:In the interests of balance, this is why it is important to tell small children about the Scissorman who will cut off their fingers and toes with a large pair of scissors if he catches them going to church.

Clock Tower?

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:50 am**

Alvecia wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:What doesn't traumatize people nowadays?

The only thing that’s changed is we actually give a shit about people’s mental well-being these days.

What do you mean? Before the invention of the computter and the bookfaces and the twatters and the Democrats no one had any mental health problems, it's only in this day and age where people and weak and fragile that mental health problems are a thing.

Sidenote: My keyboard's producing a seriously sick beat when I type and it's kinda fun to mess around with.

Posted: **Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:52 am**

Cappuccina wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Anecdotally, lingering fear of hell is something that a lot of atheist “converts” struggle with even years after giving up their religion.
Depending on how it’s taught it can be in many instances almost traumatically ingrained, such that even knowing intellectually it is not real does not erase the emotional impact of it.

What doesn't traumatize people nowadays?

People have always been traumatised by various things. However, unlike the people in the Middle Ages, we do care about people who experience a trauma and have the means to help them. Ever heard of empathy?

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