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Postby New haven america » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:33 am

HAs no one pieced together that's they're blaming the left because they know the tread is gonna gain more traction that way?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:45 am

The left does this and the left does that

The left blahgalaghalag and the Left Halghalghalg

THE LEFT Alahahhaafhg
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:46 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:The left does this and the left does that

The left blahgalaghalag and the Left Halghalghalg

THE LEFT Alahahhaafhg


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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:45 am

So it looks like a lot of people are using your charge against the left and the probable bias of the source to disengage from the argument. I can't say I'm unsympathetic to that. I don't know how special the left are in this regard. You're calling out hypocrisy in pushing to allow penis havers in women's bathrooms but assuming a penis will make you a rapist, and yet the entire justification for the right opposing the penis havers in women's bathrooms is that they're rapists.

I think sex segregation quickly becomes nonsensical in the modern era. For example, would anybody taking this woman's side and agreeing she shouldn't have had to share the room with men maintain their position if she was complaining about sharing a room with lesbians?

The Huskar Social Union wrote:The left does this and the left does that

The left blahgalaghalag and the Left Halghalghalg

THE LEFT Alahahhaafhg



The OP mentioned the left exactly once.
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Postby Risottia » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:54 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Why is the left both the quickest to insinuate ...

Exactly, where does your source state that?
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:58 am

Scomagia wrote:
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Why?

For the same reason that it makes sense for me to be uncomfortable sleeping in the same room as strangers who are much larger than I am. Presumably, these men weren't waifish and she wasn't an Amazon.

If size were the issue, weak men would be just as uncomfortable around strong women. Or armed women. Or women with information that could be used to extort him. Etc, etc, etc...

The issue is the difference in sexual selectivity. Of course the sex bore the child for 9 months would be more likely to be unwilling in the first place.

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Cekoviu wrote:Anarchism, my dude. And either way, it's not all or nothing. There are differing degrees of support for hierarchy, and a lesser degree can absolutely place you further left.

Wouldn't that make libertarianism more left than economically-interventionist liberalism, at least while the hierarchy is prevented from intervening in economic matters? (Ie. The rich getting rich enough to buy politicians' loyalty.) Not unlike how anarchy in practice is eventually replaced by subsequent governments?

It's almost as if "lack of hierarchy" is a self-refuting idea.


Cekoviu wrote:I never said I agreed with it.

That's not the point. Either it comes with cause and effect reasoning attached, or it's not even saying anything in the first place, let alone anything with which to agree or disagree.


Cekoviu wrote:I guess it's strictly reasoning based on my observations. I think most other people would probably see the same if they spent time within various feminist and progressive spaces.

Any of which could be an unrepresentative sample, let alone unverifiable. I'm not sure


Cekoviu wrote:We absolutely need prison reform, and giving up on the penal system entirely as you seem to be doing is not the solution.

Well, you read me wrong, then. I'm talking about deterrents like an immediate and nearly-guaranteed risk of getting caught, not the penal system's heavy-duty punishments in lieu of a more significant chance of getting caught.
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2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Chestaan » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:00 am

If you are afraid to stay in a room with someone purely based on their gender then you are a sexist. Like didn't everyone go mental at Mike Pence when he said he doesn't like to spend time alone with women who aren't his wife?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:01 am

Chestaan wrote:If you are afraid to stay in a room with someone purely based on their gender then you are a sexist. Like didn't everyone go mental at Mike Pence when he said he doesn't like to spend time alone with women who aren't his wife?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:04 am

Where do I go to get my brain reinflated after reading that OP?
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:13 am

Chestaan wrote:If you are afraid to stay in a room with someone purely based on their gender then you are a sexist. Like didn't everyone go mental at Mike Pence when he said he doesn't like to spend time alone with women who aren't his wife?

Forgot to even mention that comparison. Same with that Twitch user too.

Adultery is perfectly legal, whereas rape is not. You'd think the idea of being tempted to engage in the former would be considered less heinous, not more.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:19 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Where do I go to get my brain reinflated after reading that OP?

I skimmed it so I don't think the effect was as adverse on me.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:19 am

Des-Bal wrote:So it looks like a lot of people are using your charge against the left and the probable bias of the source to disengage from the argument. I can't say I'm unsympathetic to that. I don't know how special the left are in this regard. You're calling out hypocrisy in pushing to allow penis havers in women's bathrooms but assuming a penis will make you a rapist, and yet the entire justification for the right opposing the penis havers in women's bathrooms is that they're rapists.

Or rather, that if the penis might cause even a few of them to be tempted to commit rape, that it's "not worth" the risk. I don't agree, as I get that often times trans identity is sincere and the risks of the opposite course of action would be even worse, but in any case, it is not as hypocritical.

Disengaging from the argument over this is not exactly the behaviour of a rational person.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:1. The PRC is not a Communist State, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
2. The CCP is not a Communist Party, as it has shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.
3. Xi Jinping and his cronies are not Communists, as they have shown absolutely zero interest in achieving Communism.

How do we know this? Because the first step toward Communism is Socialism, and none of the aforementioned are even remotely Socialist in any way, shape, or form.

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Postby Des-Bal » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:25 am

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Or rather, that if the penis might cause even a few of them to be tempted to commit rape, that it's "not worth" the risk. I don't agree, as I get that often times trans identity is sincere and the risks of the opposite course of action would be even worse, but in any case, it is not as hypocritical.

Disengaging from the argument over this is not exactly the behaviour of a rational person.


You didn't just say "hey this is hypocritical" you said "the left is the quickest to insinuate men in the same bedroom as women are bound to rape them." Nothing you've said suggests they're any quicker than the right and the bottom line is this one indefensible and barely relevant claim is undermining your position, I don't see why you wouldn't amend your post to recognize the hypocrisy without alleging they're worse than the right about this.

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