Evidence Mounts of Measles Attacks Triggering Immunoamnesia

[The South Falls]

I'd rather have an autistic kid than a dead one if that was even the choice.

[Estanglia]

I'd rather have an autistic kid than a dead one if that was even the choice.

Another thing I hate about anti-vaxxers is the implication that being dead is better than being autistic.

[Xmara]

Great...

As if the consequences of the anti-vax movement couldn't get any worse...

Anti vaxxers are foolish traitors to mankind, being controlled by a bunch of scam artists selling "'Essential"" Oils and other crap.

Mandatory vaccines for everyone that isn't allergic.

So I jumped from the Abortion thread to this thread, and I read this as "mandatory vasectomies for everyone who isn't allergic". I was thinking "wow, that's hardcore".

It was much less amusing the second time I read it.

Forced sterilization of all anti-vaxxers?

[Kowani]

…God fucking damn.

[Nakena]

…God fucking damn.

What would be the kowanite approach on those matters?

[Kowani]

…God fucking damn.

What would be the kowanite approach on those matters?

Mandatory vaccination unless medically unable.

[-Cascade]

What would be the kowanite approach on those matters?

Mandatory vaccination unless medically unable.

One of the few of your policies that I’m entirely on board with.

New idea: convince anti-vaxxers that if you hold your breath while getting vaccinated, it’ll have no effect. They’ll get vaccinated, and they’ll never know that they’re preventing disease.

[-Cascade]

Mandatory vaccination unless medically unable.

One of the few of your policies that I’m entirely on board with.

New idea: convince anti-vaxxers that if you hold your breath while getting vaccinated, it’ll have no effect. They’ll get vaccinated, and they’ll never know that they’re preventing disease.

Shit, this is my alt isn’t it?

This is Pacomia.

[Kowani]

Mandatory vaccination unless medically unable.

One of the few of your policies that I’m entirely on board with.

…Why exactly are you?

New idea: convince anti-vaxxers that if you hold your breath while getting vaccinated, it’ll have no effect. They’ll get vaccinated, and they’ll never know that they’re preventing disease.

If they thought it would have no effect, they wouldn’t get vaccinated.

[Greed and Death]

Can the anti vaccine community please just move out into the wilderness and establish their own community there? If your body is gonna be a breeding ground for deadly illnesses, I don't want you near me

No they prefer to move into the common areas of all major urban areas. Yippee.

[Pacomia]

One of the few of your policies that I’m entirely on board with.

…Why exactly are you?

Anti-vaxxism needs to be stopped, by any means necessary. Before humans natural selection usually did the trick. If that wasn’t really a thing anymore, they’d all be dead by now.

New idea: convince anti-vaxxers that if you hold your breath while getting vaccinated, it’ll have no effect. They’ll get vaccinated, and they’ll never know that they’re preventing disease.

If they thought it would have no effect, they wouldn’t get vaccinated.

Shit, fair point. Just kidnap and vaccinate them.

[Side 3]

Forced vaccinations sound good in theory, but it would be a massive violation of people's civil rights. And that's of course ignoring the expenses, and the bureaucracy involved. It would be a logistical and political nightmare to really enforce. It's unfortunate, but we don't really have a good solution to this, aside from combating the spread of misinformation about vaccines.

[The Free Joy State]

If they thought it would have no effect, they wouldn’t get vaccinated.

Shit, fair point. Just kidnap and vaccinate them.

Or, let's not kidnap people. Even people who don't oppose vaccination are likely to oppose being snatched off the street.

I do support a programme of compulsory vaccination -- for dangerous diseases and with exceptions for those with medical conditions. But it should be augmented by better public health awareness (starting in schools) and also by penalising social media platforms that allow irresponsible peddlers of falsehoods like "How to Prevent Measles with Manuka Honey" and "Why the Vaccine is Worse than the Disease" to proliferate.

[Side 3]

Can the anti vaccine community please just move out into the wilderness and establish their own community there? If your body is gonna be a breeding ground for deadly illnesses, I don't want you near me

No they prefer to move into the common areas of all major urban areas. Yippee.

Actually, can we go back to that idea? Maybe we can just quarantine the healthy populace, and then let nature take its course on the unvaccinated populace. It's Darwinian, but it might work, and it wouldn't be infringing on the right not to vaccinate. I guess you could say it infringes on the right to live wherever, but hey, freedom of choice.

[Kowani]

…Why exactly are you?

Anti-vaxxism needs to be stopped, by any means necessary. Before humans natural selection usually did the trick. If that wasn’t really a thing anymore, they’d all be dead by now.

Meant to say who. But yes.

New idea: convince anti-vaxxers that if you hold your breath while getting vaccinated, it’ll have no effect. They’ll get vaccinated, and they’ll never know that they’re preventing disease.

If they thought it would have no effect, they wouldn’t get vaccinated.

Shit, fair point. Just kidnap and vaccinate them.

Huh.

[Lamoni]

Seriously, why haven't governments arrested the anti-vaxxers and exiled or executed them? These people have proven enough times already that they don't deserve to live in society and they're a danger to everyone around them. Someone please just do a mass shooting of the anti-vaxxers! It's good for population control anyway.

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[Pacomia]

Shit, fair point. Just kidnap and vaccinate them.

Or, let's not kidnap people. Even people who don't oppose vaccination are likely to oppose being snatched off the street.

I do support a programme of compulsory vaccination -- for dangerous diseases and with exceptions for those with medical conditions. But it should be augmented by better public health awareness (starting in schools) and also by penalising social media platforms that allow irresponsible peddlers of falsehoods like "How to Prevent Measles with Manuka Honey" and "Why the Vaccine is Worse than the Disease" to proliferate.

Yeah, but they’re not going to accept vaccination willingly.

[Kowani]

Forced vaccinations sound good in theory, but it would be a massive violation of people's civil rights.

What a shame.

And that's of course ignoring the expenses, and the bureaucracy involved.

We can cross check birth records with doctors’ files. Not exactly the pinnacle of difficulty

It would be a logistical and political nightmare to really enforce.

What do you think we have police for? Just killing innocent people?

It's unfortunate, but we don't really have a good solution to this, aside from combating the spread of misinformation about vaccines.

Ha.

[Cekoviu]

No they prefer to move into the common areas of all major urban areas. Yippee.

Actually, can we go back to that idea? Maybe we can just quarantine the healthy populace, and then let nature take its course on the unvaccinated populace. It's Darwinian, but it might work, and it wouldn't be infringing on the right not to vaccinate. I guess you could say it infringes on the right to live wherever, but hey, freedom of choice.

I love when people use Darwinian who obviously have no idea what natural selection is.

[Side 3]

Forced vaccinations sound good in theory, but it would be a massive violation of people's civil rights.

What a shame.

Trampling on people's civil rights is a shame. It's all fun and games watching from the sidelines, until you realize you've just given the government free reign to ignore your rights.

And that's of course ignoring the expenses, and the bureaucracy involved.

We can cross check birth records with doctors’ files. Not exactly the pinnacle of difficulty

It may seem that simple on paper, but when has the government ever made anything simple?

What do you think we have police for? Just killing innocent people?

We don't have them for rounding up innocent people and forcing them to undergo medical procedures, either.

It's unfortunate, but we don't really have a good solution to this, aside from combating the spread of misinformation about vaccines.

Ha.

Well then educate me, what's your perfect idea? Do you really think people are just going to go along with you forcing vaccines on people? Do you think they wouldn't resist? Maybe it would work in an ideal world where everyone was sensible and cooperative; but as you can clearly see, we don't live in that world.

[Kowani]

What a shame.

Trampling on people's civil rights is a shame. It's all fun and games watching from the sidelines, until you realize you've just given the government free reign to ignore your rights.

Considering the principle of Bodily Autonomy has long been pushed aside in favor of public safety,
not many rights are being trampled on

We can cross check birth records with doctors’ files. Not exactly the pinnacle of difficulty

It may seem that simple on paper, but when has the government ever made anything simple?

Yes, the classic “government inefficiency!” Argument.

What do you think we have police for? Just killing innocent people?

We don't have them for rounding up innocent people

Endangering children removes your innocence card.

and forcing them to undergo medical procedures, either.

Considering what would happen if someone actively carrying the plague wandered into modern society (besides the millions of deaths) they very much can.

Ha.

Well then educate me, what's your perfect idea? Do you really think people are just going to go along with you forcing vaccines on people? Do you think they wouldn't resist? Maybe it would work in an ideal world where everyone was sensible and cooperative; but as you can clearly see, we don't live in that world.

Abolish homeschooling, make vaccines mandatory for students. Done.

[Estanglia]

Forced vaccinations sound good in theory, but it would be a massive violation of people's civil rights. And that's of course ignoring the expenses, and the bureaucracy involved. It would be a logistical and political nightmare to really enforce. It's unfortunate, but we don't really have a good solution to this, aside from combating the spread of misinformation about vaccines.

If it's mandatory vaccination for adults, maybe.

If it's for kids, then it could probably be wrapped up with laws that make it illegal to refuse lifesaving care for your children. Unless forcing parents to actually care for their children is a violation of rights.

[Estanglia]

What a shame.

Trampling on people's civil rights is a shame. It's all fun and games watching from the sidelines, until you realize you've just given the government free reign to ignore your rights.

Not necessarily.

If the argument is that the government can vaccinate you because of public safety, for it to strip you of other rights it must show that it is in the interest of public safety.

If it's just 'mandatory vaccinations' with no reason, then maybe.

We don't have them for rounding up innocent people and forcing them to undergo medical procedures, either.

People who decide to endanger everyone around them, including their own children, based on complete and utter bullshit and refuse to do anything to rectify that aren't innocent.

[Drongonia]

I am all for civil rights in every other area: freedom of speech and expression, press freedom, freedom of choice for your sexuality, free choices in the market, and basically anything else...
BUT
The fact is that to prevent the world going back into a medieval level disease-infested hellhole, we have to enforce mandatory vaccination.

it would be a massive violation of people's civil rights. And that's of course ignoring the expenses, and the bureaucracy involved. It would be a logistical and political nightmare to really enforce. It's unfortunate, but we don't really have a good solution to this, aside from combating the spread of misinformation about vaccines.

Not really, as the child being vaccinated or not at infancy or toddlerhood (since that's when most vaccines are administered) doesn't have a choice anyway, so if you want to be pro-civil rights about it, maybe we should change existing policies from asking parents what they want to do, to asking the kids themselves?

Not to mention the fact there are people out there who are allergic to the vaccines and one dickhead parent refusing to vaccinate their precious little darling, lest they get autism, might just end up indirectly wiping out 10 kids who can't be vaccinated.

tl;dr This is a very rare occasion where I say FRICK YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS and get your kids vaccinated (and adults too)

[The Huskar Social Union]

Well fucking done Anti-Vaxxers, well fucking done.

Im sure the god of decay is pleased with your efforts to fuck up the Human race.