yeah i think the big thing is work week rather than work day, more flexibleAustralian rePublic wrote:Flight attendants, by their nature, must work 8 hours +
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by Kubra » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:23 pm
yeah i think the big thing is work week rather than work day, more flexibleAustralian rePublic wrote:Flight attendants, by their nature, must work 8 hours +
by Esternial » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:28 pm
New haven america wrote:Trollgaard wrote:
Why should you be compensated the same, or more, than someone who can work a normal shift and be more productive throughout the day? Unless you are super productive and efficient in your 3-4 hours of work it seems ridiculous to expect the same compensation as someone else.
And when people bring up this argument when it comes to management and CEO's, everyone screams "Communism!" and arguing about how people should totally be paid more for doing less work.
Hm...
by New haven america » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:31 pm
Esternial wrote:New haven america wrote:And when people bring up this argument when it comes to management and CEO's, everyone screams "Communism!" and arguing about how people should totally be paid more for doing less work.
Hm...
Eh, that's more of a responsibility/accountability thing.
Having been on a project that missed its deadline, I don't envy my managers. It's a lot a shit they have to take when things go wrong. It's stressful work and I wouldn't want to do it...unless I got paid a lot more.
by Esternial » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:36 pm
New haven america wrote:Esternial wrote:Eh, that's more of a responsibility/accountability thing.
Having been on a project that missed its deadline, I don't envy my managers. It's a lot a shit they have to take when things go wrong. It's stressful work and I wouldn't want to do it...unless I got paid a lot more.
I'm not talking about management that actually has work to do, I'm talking about management that's filled with people who barely know what their doing and got their jobs through nepotism and connections (As is the common case in America's corporate world).
by Vetalia » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:46 pm
New haven america wrote:Esternial wrote:Eh, that's more of a responsibility/accountability thing.
Having been on a project that missed its deadline, I don't envy my managers. It's a lot a shit they have to take when things go wrong. It's stressful work and I wouldn't want to do it...unless I got paid a lot more.
I'm not talking about management that actually has work to do, I'm talking about management that's filled with people who barely know what they're doing and got their jobs through nepotism and connections (As is the common case in America's corporate world).
by Jirmeria » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:39 pm
Lanoraie II wrote:Esternial wrote:I'm not saying it's the pinnacle of efficiency to have longer work days, but I'd prefer spending a bit longer at work so I can work and faff about with my colleagues a little bit rather than work 4 and be forced to focus 100% during those 4 hours.
People consider their free time so valuable but once they have it, so many just waste it watching a whole season of Masterchef.
It's not wasting it if that's how they choose to spend it that way. It's their life.
I'm not saying it should be illegal to work more than 8 hours, but shifts and proper pay for people who don't want to or can't work that long should be widespread. Because it's not just a matter of I don't want to, I also physically cannot. I have autism and get extremely stressed out if I have to focus on something for more than 3 hours (sometimes, even just one hour without a 15-20 minute break, depending what it is). I put a lot of energy into whatever I'm doing, but that energy depletes quickly, and I can't half ass something unless I'm running out of energy. Burnout comes very quickly for me and it makes me depressed, agitated, and sometimes even suicidal if it's really bad.
by Wasa Radamai » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:00 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Lanoraie II wrote:
It's not wasting it if that's how they choose to spend it that way. It's their life.
I'm not saying it should be illegal to work more than 8 hours, but shifts and proper pay for people who don't want to or can't work that long should be widespread. Because it's not just a matter of I don't want to, I also physically cannot. I have autism and get extremely stressed out if I have to focus on something for more than 3 hours (sometimes, even just one hour without a 15-20 minute break, depending what it is). I put a lot of energy into whatever I'm doing, but that energy depletes quickly, and I can't half ass something unless I'm running out of energy. Burnout comes very quickly for me and it makes me depressed, agitated, and sometimes even suicidal if it's really bad.
Why should you be compensated the same, or more, than someone who can work a normal shift and be more productive throughout the day? Unless you are super productive and efficient in your 3-4 hours of work it seems ridiculous to expect the same compensation as someone else.
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by Markev » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:26 pm
Ifreann wrote:Ditching work is praxis.
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by Petrolheadia » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:20 pm
Wasa Radamai wrote:Trollgaard wrote:
Why should you be compensated the same, or more, than someone who can work a normal shift and be more productive throughout the day? Unless you are super productive and efficient in your 3-4 hours of work it seems ridiculous to expect the same compensation as someone else.
Because we already far more productive workers than any people have even been in history. Despite this we work more hours and for less pay. We work 8 hours a day because our material conditions force us to in a country with disappointingly stagnant wages. Our relatively high productivity means that it is possible for workers to produce the things we all want and need with fewer hours of work.
by Kowani » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:25 pm
Productivity as compared to wages. And, stagnant wages as a whole.Petrolheadia wrote:Wasa Radamai wrote:
Because we already far more productive workers than any people have even been in history. Despite this we work more hours and for less pay. We work 8 hours a day because our material conditions force us to in a country with disappointingly stagnant wages. Our relatively high productivity means that it is possible for workers to produce the things we all want and need with fewer hours of work.
Source on that?
by Petrolheadia » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:00 am
Kowani wrote:Productivity as compared to wages. And, stagnant wages as a whole.Petrolheadia wrote:Source on that?
by Novus America » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:14 am
Petrolheadia wrote:
At the same time, people have to compete in a global marketplace (which benefits most in the world) and prices of goods are dropping.
by Petrolheadia » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:33 am
by Chestaan » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:42 am
by Novus America » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:42 am
by Petrolheadia » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:50 am
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by Chestaan » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:09 am
Novus America wrote:Petrolheadia wrote:So only a few percent of the global population at absolute worst.
Logically it would not only be the case for the US.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ons-record
It has happened elsewhere too. When low wages give you an economic advantage anyone above with wages average is harmed.
by Novus America » Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:16 am
Chestaan wrote:Novus America wrote:
Logically it would not only be the case for the US.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ons-record
It has happened elsewhere too. When low wages give you an economic advantage anyone above with wages average is harmed.
Wages in developed countries will fall, but wages in developing nations will rise.
by Saiwania » Fri Sep 06, 2019 9:33 am
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