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NC Court Rules Gerrymandering Unconstitutional

Postby Kannap » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:16 pm

HuffPost wrote:North Carolina’s state legislative maps are so severely gerrymandered to benefit Republicans that they violate the state’s Constitution, a panel of three judges ruled Tuesday.

The ruling came in a closely watched case in North Carolina state court. State lawmakers have until Sept. 18 to draw new districts, the court said, and they won’t be allowed to take into account any data about election results.

Lawmakers will also be banned from using the existing maps as a “starting point” as they draw new maps and will be required to draw maps entirely in public view, the court ruled. Any computer screen the lawmakers use, the court said, has to be fully visible to lawmakers and public observers.

“Extreme partisan gerrymandering does not fairly and truthfully ascertain the will of the people,” the judges wrote. “Voters are not freely choosing their representatives. Rather, representatives are choosing their voters. It is not the will of the people that is fairly ascertained through extreme partisan gerrymandering. Rather, it is the will of the map drawers that prevails.”

The case was decided by three superior court judges: Paul Ridgeway, Joseph Crosswhite and Alma Hinton. The judges noted in the opinion that they are each from different parts of the state and have differing “ideological and political outlooks.”

The case carries implications that go beyond North Carolina. In June, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that federal courts can’t do anything to stop partisan gerrymandering. But activists believe litigation in state courts could offer a way to challenge partisan gerrymandering ― an idea that Tuesday’s ruling seems to bear out.

North Carolina Republicans controlled the redistricting process in the state in 2011 and drew congressional and state legislative district lines that significantly benefited GOP lawmakers. Republicans were consistently able to win more than 60% of the seats in both of the state’s legislative chambers despite winning only about half of the statewide vote. They enjoyed that veto-proof majority until 2018, when Democrats broke it.

The case, Common Cause v. Lewis, was brought on behalf of the advocacy group Common Cause, the North Carolina Democratic Party and a handful of Democratic voters throughout the state.

In its 357-page opinion, the three-judge panel said the districts were so gerrymandered that they violated three provisions in the North Carolina Constitution. One of those measures simply says that “all elections shall be free.” Partisan gerrymandering, the panel wrote, works by diluting the votes of some citizens compared with others.

“Redistricting plans that entrench politicians in power, that evince
a fundamental distrust of voters by serving the self-interest of political parties over the public good, and that dilute and devalue votes of some citizens compared to others — is contrary to the fundamental right of North Carolina citizens to have elections conducted freely and honestly to ascertain, fairly and truthfully, the will of the people,” they wrote.

The excessive gerrymandering also violates the North Carolina Constitution’s guarantees of equal protection under the law and free speech and assembly. The court also found that the maps were designed to intentionally discriminate against Democrats and there was no other legitimate explanation for the boundaries other than partisan advantage.

Senate Majority Leader Phil Berger (R) said in a statement Tuesday that lawmakers would not appeal the ruling and would “move forward with adoption of a nonpartisan map.”

“We disagree with the court’s ruling as it contradicts the Constitution and binding legal precedent, but we intend to respect the court’s decision and finally put this divisive battle behind us,” he said in a statement. “Nearly a decade of relentless litigation has strained the legitimacy of the state’s institutions, and the relationship between its leaders, to the breaking point. It’s time to move on.”

A spokesman for House Speaker Tim Moore (R) said he was still reviewing the ruling.

If lawmakers appeal, the case will likely be ultimately decided by the North Carolina Supreme Court. Democrats hold a 6-1 majority on that panel.

The plaintiffs in the case were aided by an explosive discovery from the files of Thomas Hofeller, a noted Republican redistricting expert who died last summer. Hofeller’s daughter turned over her late father’s computer drives to Common Cause, and they contained formulas and other clear evidence of how Hofeller sought to maximize partisan gain as he drew districts. The three-judge panel pointed repeatedly to Hofeller’s files in its Tuesday ruling to show that Republicans were motivated by maximizing partisan advantage as they drew districts.

“The evidence establishes that Dr. Hofeller drew the 2017 Plans very precisely to create as many “safe” Republican districts as possible, so that Republicans would maintain their supermajorities, or at least majorities even in a strong election year for Democrats,” the panel wrote.

The North Carolina judges also suggested that lawmakers had misrepresented the timeline under which they redrew the state’s electoral maps in 2017. Though lawyers told a federal court they weren’t drafting maps as late as Aug. 4, 2017, Hofeller had already substantially completed his work by late June, the panel said.

The ruling comes more than a year and a half after the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled the state’s congressional districts violated the Pennsylvania Constitution.

In June, the United States Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that federal courts were powerless to limit excessive partisan gerrymandering. But Chief Justice John Roberts, writing for the majority, noted there was nothing to stop state courts from acting.

“Provisions in state statutes and state constitutions can provide standards and guidance for state courts to apply,” Roberts wrote.

Writing in dissent, Justice Elena Kagan, however, said that the fact that state courts could act was evidence that federal courts could act, too.

“What do those courts know that this Court does not?” she wrote. “If they can develop and apply neutral and manageable standards to identify
unconstitutional gerrymanders, why couldn’t we?”

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So, NSG, what say you? Do you think that this was a good decision on the part of this court? How do you feel/think about gerrymandering? Should elected officials be allowed to utilize election results data to skew future elections in their favor? What do you think about this ruling in relation to the recent U.S. Supreme Court ruling?

Personally, I believe that this is great news. Gerrymandering is wrong regardless of who it favors. It's an attack on our democracy, as it removes the power of democracy from the voters. I think this court has made the right decision and hope that if the case makes its way to the N.C. Supreme Court, they'll uphold the ruling. I think the U.S. Supreme Court should have ruled gerrymandering unconstitutional for the same reasons this court did, but regardless I'm glad that the courts system and the legal system is working nonetheless. Gerrymandering is a violation of the constitution - the federal one or state constitutions - and it's great to see that this court has taken up the slack the U.S. Supreme Court left for them to take up.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:20 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Political parties corrupt, this is a natural result of American partisanship


Hence the need for courts to step in and say "No, this is unconstitutional, knock it off."
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:21 pm

I put this in the 2020 thread but Yes it was a great decision. Gerrymandering should be outlawed. It is completely unfair and undemocratic for one party to get the most votes but not the most seats in a legislative body. Republicans have not won the popular vote for state legislature since the last redistricting.

The ruling will not be appealed as the State Senate leader said they wont. They wouldn;'t win at the State Supreme Court and SCOTUS wouldn't take it up as it was decided under the state constitution.
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Redistricting should be done by computers, not by a ruling party.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:26 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Redistricting should be done by computers, not by a ruling party.

or you could just have independent commission. A computer program could be abused. With this ruling the Research Triangle and Charlotte metro area will no longer get shafted in redistricting
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:26 pm

The fact that it was a Herculean battle to outlaw gerrymandering in North Carolina shows just how badly rotten the American political system is.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:27 pm

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:The fact that it was a Herculean battle to outlaw gerrymandering in North Carolina shows just how badly rotten the American political system is.


Its also because Republicans don't believe in free and fair elections

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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:I put this in the 2020 thread but Yes it was a great decision. Gerrymandering should be outlawed. It is completely unfair and undemocratic for one party to get the most votes but not the most seats in a legislative body. Republicans have not won the popular vote for state legislature since the last redistricting.

The ruling will not be appealed as the State Senate leader said they wont. They wouldn;'t win at the State Supreme Court and SCOTUS wouldn't take it up as it was decided under the state constitution.

Again the result of partisanship, the prime factor behind the collapse of America
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San Lumen wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Redistricting should be done by computers, not by a ruling party.

or you could just have independent commission. A computer program could be abused. With this ruling the Research Triangle and Charlotte metro area will no longer get shafted in redistricting

Regardless, I want redistricting to be out of reach to partasanship. Anything that does that, I would support.

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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I put this in the 2020 thread but Yes it was a great decision. Gerrymandering should be outlawed. It is completely unfair and undemocratic for one party to get the most votes but not the most seats in a legislative body. Republicans have not won the popular vote for state legislature since the last redistricting.

The ruling will not be appealed as the State Senate leader said they wont. They wouldn;'t win at the State Supreme Court and SCOTUS wouldn't take it up as it was decided under the state constitution.

Again the result of partisanship, the prime factor behind the collapse of America

What do you propose?

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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I put this in the 2020 thread but Yes it was a great decision. Gerrymandering should be outlawed. It is completely unfair and undemocratic for one party to get the most votes but not the most seats in a legislative body. Republicans have not won the popular vote for state legislature since the last redistricting.

The ruling will not be appealed as the State Senate leader said they wont. They wouldn;'t win at the State Supreme Court and SCOTUS wouldn't take it up as it was decided under the state constitution.

Again the result of partisanship, the prime factor behind the collapse of America


What's partisan about this and what's your solution? The Republicans were partisan in drawing a map that enabled them to win without getting a majority of votes.
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Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:The fact that it was a Herculean battle to outlaw gerrymandering in North Carolina shows just how badly rotten the American political system is.


Its also because Republicans don't believe in free and fair elections

Yep, and Jacobin also reported on how U.S. conservatives were trying to undermine American democracy for decades:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/08/cons ... mmigration

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Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Its also because Republicans don't believe in free and fair elections

Yep, and Jacobin also reported on how U.S. conservatives were trying to undermine American democracy for decades:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/08/cons ... mmigration

Jacobinmag isn’t helping by going on political crusades akin to PragerU. This isn’t about a single party or conservatives, it’s about the two party system, and the natural result of it
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San Lumen wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:The fact that it was a Herculean battle to outlaw gerrymandering in North Carolina shows just how badly rotten the American political system is.


Its also because Republicans don't believe in free and fair elections

That's a generalization.
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San Lumen wrote:
Its also because Republicans don't believe in free and fair elections

Yep, and Jacobin also reported on how U.S. conservatives were trying to undermine American democracy for decades:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/08/cons ... mmigration

Communist sources probably shouldn't be trusted.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:31 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:Yep, and Jacobin also reported on how U.S. conservatives were trying to undermine American democracy for decades:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/08/cons ... mmigration

Jacobinmag isn’t helping by going on political crusades akin to PragerU. This isn’t about a single party or conservatives, it’s about the two party system, and the natural result of it


You never see Republicans getting the most votes but not a majority of seats. I am not seeing your point here. This is about unfair elections maps that go against one man one vote.

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Postby NERVUN » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:31 pm

Yay! Hopefully to spreads to each and every other state.
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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Again the result of partisanship, the prime factor behind the collapse of America

What do you propose?

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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Again the result of partisanship, the prime factor behind the collapse of America


What's partisan about this and what's your solution? The Republicans were partisan in drawing a map that enabled them to win without getting a majority of votes.

The irony is that the Pro-Beijing parties in Hong Kong who are aligned with the Chinese Communist Parties are doing the exact same thing to hold onto the LegCo, without actually winning more than 50% of the popular vote in the 22 years after Hong Kong's handover, and yet the GOP has the chutzpah to justify its gerrymandering while condemning HK's situation on the other hanf.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:32 pm

NERVUN wrote:Yay! Hopefully to spreads to each and every other state.


It is likely this could be replicated in every state as there are almost certainly provisions that could be used from the State constitution to strike down gerrymandered maps.

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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What do you propose?

I don’t believe in democracy as a whole, as can be seen in my sig. We see America getting divided by the day, and similar trends have been occurring across the world. Democracy weakens a country as a whole, a strong government is needed to keep it together

what's your solution then?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:33 pm

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
What's partisan about this and what's your solution? The Republicans were partisan in drawing a map that enabled them to win without getting a majority of votes.

The irony is that the Pro-Beijing parties in Hong Kong who are aligned with the Chinese Communist Parties are doing the exact same thing to hold onto the LegCo, without actually winning more than 50% of the popular vote in the 22 years after Hong Kong's handover, and yet the GOP has the chutzpah to justify its gerrymandering while condemning HK's situation on the other hanf.


It's almost like politics is inherently built on hypocrisy.
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Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:What do you propose?

I don’t believe in democracy as a whole, as can be seen in my sig. We see America getting divided by the day, and similar trends have been occurring across the world. Democracy weakens a country as a whole, a strong government is needed to keep it together

What I suspected, a single party totalitarian state.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:33 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:The irony is that the Pro-Beijing parties in Hong Kong who are aligned with the Chinese Communist Parties are doing the exact same thing to hold onto the LegCo, without actually winning more than 50% of the popular vote in the 22 years after Hong Kong's handover, and yet the GOP has the chutzpah to justify its gerrymandering while condemning HK's situation on the other hanf.


It's almost like politics is inherently built on hypocrisy.

How is this decision hypocritical?

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:Yep, and Jacobin also reported on how U.S. conservatives were trying to undermine American democracy for decades:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/08/cons ... mmigration

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