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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:05 am

What a fucking week and a half this has been. Right after a gaming Youtuber cleared his name, this shit happens.

This is a very emotionally-charged situation, as things happened extremely quickly, so I'll keep things brief. Do note that many Twitter accounts involved in this are either deleted or private, so much of this comes from this article, as it's the most comprehensive reservoir of information I could find. Shit on KYM all you like, usually information is compiled better than most elsewhere (except the Ooblets article).

On August 26th, 2019, indie developer Alec Holowka, known for Night in the Woods and Towerfall, was accused of gross sexual misconduct and emotional abuse by a... fellow indie developer? (I think?) Zoe Quinn when she visited her in Winnipeg. Many things happened in the following five days: people coming out in support of Zoe, people coming out in support of Alec, people coming out against both, etc. I don't need to cover Zoe Quinn's extensive history online, though I do find it appropriate to note that she has a history of being, let's say, less than completely honest.

Shocking news came on August 31st, however, from Alec's sister, Eileen, that he "passed away". Given Alec Holowka's history of mental illness, that he was himself a victim of abuse, and that in the five days he could be said to have lost everything, it can be gathered that this was, in fact, a suicide.

Now for the subjective part. Eileen's announcement of his passing used his death as a soapbox to defend Zoe from "harassment", with a vague implication that her brother was abusive to Zoe, without any evidence besides her own word (which given that Eileen's twitter bio has "feminist" in it, kinda makes sense...). Best-case scenario here, Zoe was grossly irresponsible; she should very well know that a mere accusation can destroy a man's life, and should also have known about Alec's mental health situation. Worst-case scenario, she actively intended for him to commit suicide.
There's other things to add to here other than Zoe's history of dishonesty, like public allegations lately turning out to be mostly to entirely bullshit (Slazo, ProJared, Vic Mignogna), so the trend continuing here would be incredibly plausible. Was Alec a perfect person? Certainly not, he had issues and demons of his own to deal with.

Suffice to say it's a shit situation, and my heart goes out to Alec's family, except his sister, and some of his friends. And given that Night in the Woods is about, in part, mental illness and depression... damn. I know I could've written this better but as I said, the situation is quite emotionally charged, and there's a lot of shit still being said from every possible angle.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:09 am

While I understand that passing away is trying to hide the shock, and impact of death the person in question didn't pass away peacefully with family by his side. Suicide is rarely so peaceful, and serene as some films try to make it seem...it is damn messy especially for the poor people who have to call the police, and clean the scene up.
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Postby Israeli Defense Force » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:09 am

Isn't Zoe Quinn that loser who slept with journalists in return for good review?

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Israeli Defense Force wrote:Isn't Zoe Quinn that loser who slept with journalists in return for good review?

Well, given she nuked her twitter maybe a break will do the internet some good.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:11 am

All of this said regardless of what anyone says in what shall now permanently be a case of "he said/she said" due to his Alec's suicide...the courts should have been the final decision maker.
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Postby Page » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:13 am

I'm sorry for this person's loved ones and I really hope this doesn't cause a resurgence of the vile diarrhea spray that was called Gamergate.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:14 am

Page wrote:I'm sorry for this person's loved ones and I really hope this doesn't cause a resurgence of the vile diarrhea spray that was called Gamergate.

A quick glance at youtube and Reddit would prove such hopes wrong.
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Page wrote:I'm sorry for this person's loved ones and I really hope this doesn't cause a resurgence of the vile diarrhea spray that was called Gamergate.

A quick glance at youtube and Reddit would prove such hopes wrong.


Well... shit.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:16 am

Page wrote:I'm sorry for this person's loved ones and I really hope this doesn't cause a resurgence of the vile diarrhea spray that was called Gamergate.

Gamergate never really died, because people kept using it as a scapegoat for every ill in the world.

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Page wrote:I'm sorry for this person's loved ones and I really hope this doesn't cause a resurgence of the vile diarrhea spray that was called Gamergate.

A quick glance at youtube and Reddit would prove such hopes wrong.

Though it's really only tangential, with the big connection being "Zoe Quinn is a shitty person".
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Not a surprise his death is used as a soapbox to relitigate the presence of women in the gaming industry as anything besides booth babes and cosplay models.

Waiting for someone to unironically say "Riot Games Did Nothing Wrong".
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Postby Benuty » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:19 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Page wrote:I'm sorry for this person's loved ones and I really hope this doesn't cause a resurgence of the vile diarrhea spray that was called Gamergate.

Gamergate never really died, because people kept using it as a scapegoat for every ill in the world.

Benuty wrote:A quick glance at youtube and Reddit would prove such hopes wrong.

Though it's really only tangential, with the big connection being "Zoe Quinn is a shitty person".

One can make the argument that the lack of court, and police involvement or solving of such allegations coupled with people calling her a murderer might spark a bit of an outrage. It doesn't help that Sarkeesian is sticking her head in like bait to hungry fish.
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Proctopeo wrote:Though it's really only tangential, with the big connection being "Zoe Quinn is a shitty person".


I still can't grasp how this screeching outrage machine rose out allegations about who a woman may or may not have fucked that might have had something to do with getting a better review on a free to play text based game. It boggles my mind how anyone could care about this even if all of the stuff people said about her was true. Unless the whole thing was just an excuse to harass a woman for the lulz. Which it totally was.
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Gormwood wrote:Not a surprise his death is used as a soapbox to relitigate the presence of women in the gaming industry as anything besides booth babes and cosplay models.

Waiting for someone to unironically say "Riot Games Did Nothing Wrong".

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Benuty wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Not a surprise his death is used as a soapbox to relitigate the presence of women in the gaming industry as anything besides booth babes and cosplay models.

Waiting for someone to unironically say "Riot Games Did Nothing Wrong".

Jack Thomas, when did you get a Nationstates account?

You're referring to Jack Thompson. Christ, at least get your insults right.
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Postby Andsed » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:22 am

Seems like a very shitty situation all around and my condolences goes out to Mr Holowka's friends and families.
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Benuty wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Gamergate never really died, because people kept using it as a scapegoat for every ill in the world.


Though it's really only tangential, with the big connection being "Zoe Quinn is a shitty person".

One can make the argument that the lack of court, and police involvement or solving of such allegations coupled with people calling her a murderer might spark a bit of an outrage. It doesn't help that Sarkeesian is sticking her head in like bait to hungry fish.


Considering that she too was harassed and all the hateful conspiracy theorists might be restarting the whole harassment campaign, it does kind of involve her. It's not like Anita Sarkeesian had nothing to do with the original ''''''''''''''''scandal'''''''''''' so I think she has a right to an opinion
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Tbh I've never understood all this video game drama.
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Gormwood wrote:Not a surprise his death is used as a soapbox to relitigate the presence of women in the gaming industry as anything besides booth babes and cosplay models.

Waiting for someone to unironically say "Riot Games Did Nothing Wrong".

Wow, such little tact combined with blatantly lying about what's being said. Have anything to actually contribute, Gauth?

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Proctopeo wrote:Though it's really only tangential, with the big connection being "Zoe Quinn is a shitty person".


I still can't grasp how this screeching outrage machine rose out allegations about who a woman may or may not have fucked that might have had something to do with getting a better review on a free to play text based game. It boggles my mind how anyone could care about this even if all of the stuff people said about her was true. Unless the whole thing was just an excuse to harass a woman for the lulz. Which it totally was.

It wasn't, though. That was a lie perpetuated by games journalists to try and discredit a movement wanting them to, you know, not suck?
Anyway, whether or not GamerGate wanted to exterminate the female race to play video games in peace is irrelevant to this. The only connection is Zoe Quinn.
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Proctopeo wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Not a surprise his death is used as a soapbox to relitigate the presence of women in the gaming industry as anything besides booth babes and cosplay models.

Waiting for someone to unironically say "Riot Games Did Nothing Wrong".

Wow, such little tact combined with blatantly lying about what's being said. Have anything to actually contribute, Gauth?

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I still can't grasp how this screeching outrage machine rose out allegations about who a woman may or may not have fucked that might have had something to do with getting a better review on a free to play text based game. It boggles my mind how anyone could care about this even if all of the stuff people said about her was true. Unless the whole thing was just an excuse to harass a woman for the lulz. Which it totally was.

It wasn't, though. That was a lie perpetuated by games journalists to try and discredit a movement wanting them to, you know, not suck?
Anyway, whether or not GamerGate wanted to exterminate the female race to play video games in peace is irrelevant to this. The only connection is Zoe Quinn.


When this whole thing was going on, I heard people repeating over and over that this was about ''ethics and gaming journalism.''

And I was all like: ''So you're talking about how IGN rubber stamps every new Call of Duty with a 95/100 even though it's just the same damn thing being recreated over and over as a lazy cash grab?''

And they were all like ''No this is about Zoe Quinn and that she did this and this and that and blah, blah, blah'' and that's when I realized there was no credibilty to any of it.
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You're referring to Jack Thompson. Christ, at least get your insults right.

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Proctopeo wrote:Wow, such little tact combined with blatantly lying about what's being said. Have anything to actually contribute, Gauth?


It wasn't, though. That was a lie perpetuated by games journalists to try and discredit a movement wanting them to, you know, not suck?
Anyway, whether or not GamerGate wanted to exterminate the female race to play video games in peace is irrelevant to this. The only connection is Zoe Quinn.


When this whole thing was going on, I heard people repeating over and over that this was about ''ethics and gaming journalism.''

And I was all like: ''So you're talking about how IGN rubber stamps every new Call of Duty with a 95/100 even though it's just the same damn thing being recreated over and over as a lazy cash grab?''

And they were all like ''No this is about Zoe Quinn and that she did this and this and that and blah, blah, blah'' and that's when I realized there was no credibilty to any of it.

I won't start a spat over GamerGate on this thread, not any further than this. Clearly your position is entrenched too deep to excavate.
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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Tbh I've never understood all this video game drama.

Video games have always been about drama to feed off of.

I vaguely recall one of the testers of a classic's game being suspected of stealing the idea and implementing it to the commercial success. I cannot remember if it was Steve Jobs or Bill Gates.
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I'm sure that OP has given us a fair and unbiased overvi-

Proctopeo wrote:Shit on KYM all you like, usually information is compiled better than most elsewhere (except the Ooblets article).


Proctopeo wrote:I don't need to cover Zoe Quinn's extensive history online, though I do find it appropriate to note that she has a history of being, let's say, less than completely honest.


Proctopeo wrote:Now for the subjective part. Eileen's announcement of his passing used his death as a soapbox to defend Zoe from "harassment", with a vague implication that her brother was abusive to Zoe, without any evidence besides her own word (which given that Eileen's twitter bio has "feminist" in it, kinda makes sense...).


Proctopeo wrote:Best-case scenario here, Zoe was grossly irresponsible; she should very well know that a mere accusation can destroy a man's life, and should also have known about Alec's mental health situation. Worst-case scenario, she actively intended for him to commit suicide.


Proctopeo wrote:There's other things to add to here other than Zoe's history of dishonesty, like public allegations lately turning out to be mostly to entirely bullshit (Slazo, ProJared, Vic Mignogna), so the trend continuing here would be incredibly plausible.


Proctopeo wrote:Suffice to say it's a shit situation, and my heart goes out to Alec's family, except his sister


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Proctopeo wrote:What a fucking week and a half this has been. Right after a gaming Youtuber cleared his name, this shit happens.

That's a... generous... interpretation of events. No matter...

Proctopeo wrote:Now for the subjective part. Eileen's announcement of his passing used his death as a soapbox to defend Zoe from "harassment", with a vague implication that her brother was abusive to Zoe, without any evidence besides her own word (which given that Eileen's twitter bio has "feminist" in it, kinda makes sense...). Best-case scenario here, Zoe was grossly irresponsible; she should very well know that a mere accusation can destroy a man's life, and should also have known about Alec's mental health situation. Worst-case scenario, she actively intended for him to commit suicide.

If he really did sexually abuse her, how was she irresponsible?

Proctopeo wrote:There's other things to add to here other than Zoe's history of dishonesty, like public allegations lately turning out to be mostly to entirely bullshit (Slazo, ProJared, Vic Mignogna), so the trend continuing here would be incredibly plausible. Was Alec a perfect person? Certainly not, he had issues and demons of his own to deal with.


Well, you could also add that fellow Night in the Woods developer Scott Benson and his wife Bethany Hockenberry were cutting ties with Holowka in part because it was not the only allegation:
This week allegations of abuse came to light against Alec Holowka, coder/composer/co-designer of NITW. Since then several other people have stepped forward, detailing issues of varying levels of severity that stretch right up to today. As a result, we won't be working with Alec anymore.


Proctopeo wrote:Suffice to say it's a shit situation, and my heart goes out to Alec's family, except his sister

Why not?
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Proctopeo wrote:Suffice to say it's a shit situation, and my heart goes out to Alec's family, except his sister

Why not?

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