Harry Potter Books Banned For "Real Spells And Curses"

[Australian rePublic]

My moderate Catholic parents used to make me hide my Harry Potter books when my Pentecostal grandma came over because they didn't want a whole religious argument. What's funny is my mom is always going on about how Catholics are so reasonable (especially in comparison with wacky Pentecostals and Baptists) but she lives in a bubble of her own diocese and doesn't realize that there are batshit fundamentalist Catholics all over the place. When I had to do confirmation (against my will) as a teenager, I was sent to a weekend retreat and I got acquainted with Catholic fundamentalists and found out just how extreme they can be.

Well most educated post-enlightment Catholics who oppose HP will usually say that HP glorifies magic and witchcraft. Not that it contains any

[Neko-koku]

Ah! Reminds me of the good ol' days when thee could just stick another witch on the fire if it were getting chilly.

Witchhunts are probably to a great extant sexual in nature. Otherwise it is hard to explain the gender disparity. Seriously..a large part of them is probably sadists looking for a legitimate excuse to torture and kill women for fun.

[Australian rePublic]

Ah! Reminds me of the good ol' days when thee could just stick another witch on the fire if it were getting chilly.

Witchhunts are probably to a great extant sexual in nature. Otherwise it is hard to explain the gender disparity. Seriously..a large part of them is probably sadists looking for a legitimate excuse to torture and kill women for fun.

You're looking at it from a post enlightenment perspective, which isn't a good idea. Sure there might have been some people sadists who wanted to tourture women for the sake of tourturing them, but I believe that many would have legitomately thought that they were actual witches

[The Islands of Versilia]

Well, he’s not a very intelligent bloke, is he? I honestly find this ludicrous and mindbogglingly stupid. Why are these idiots allowed any influence in schools or anything? Oh right, because the US is still gripped by fantasy and idiots.

Hope this gets overturned, the series was a wonderful read in my opinion and I certainly think the kids should be free to enjoy it.

[Black Moon Magisterium]

I think Harry Potter is disturbing because if you can do magic, you shouldn’t go to a school. Maybe you should take a master to learn the art but don’t subject yourself to a petty-bourgeoise social form. You’re a wizard, Harry, not a fucking schoolboy. Hold yourself high.

[Arkhane]

In a way, reading HP does indeed make one a demonic possessed, cultic spaz of the annoying variety

I say we go further and burn J.K Rowling at the stake to ensure that the crazy witch can no longer have an influence and hold on unsuspecting children and children at heart. She is trying too hard.

[Neko-koku]

Witchhunts are probably to a great extant sexual in nature. Otherwise it is hard to explain the gender disparity. Seriously..a large part of them is probably sadists looking for a legitimate excuse to torture and kill women for fun.

You're looking at it from a post enlightenment perspective, which isn't a good idea

It isn't.

Forced celibacy will make a few people sick regardless of whether they or societies realize that. In modern society this often manifests itself as child abuse. When it was possible to abuse and murder women and get away with it this is what happened. "Alice is a witch" is just an excuse for a certain sexually distorted priest or some other person wanting to beat, torture and finally murder Alice for socially acceptable sexual pleasure.

[Australian rePublic]

You're looking at it from a post enlightenment perspective, which isn't a good idea

It isn't.

Forced celibacy will make a few people sick regardless of whether they or societies realize that. In modern society this often manifests itself as child abuse. When it was possible to abuse and murder women and get away with it this is what happened. "Alice is a witch" is just an excuse for a certain sexually distorted priest or some other person wanting to beat, torture and finally murder Alice for sexual pleasure.

Where in the fudge did you did forced celebacy from?
Ha? Forced celibacy. WTF?

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Why are these people even alive?

[Neko-koku]

Why are these people even alive?

Why not? Evolution is actually selecting for fundamentalism.

[Black Moon Magisterium]

Why are these people even alive?

I need more power.

[The Islands of Versilia]

Why are these people even alive?

The US is infested by these types. It needs to strike at what causes people to become such idiots, but it ain’t got the balls cuz "muh religious F R E E D O M".

[Neko-koku]

It isn't.

Forced celibacy will make a few people sick regardless of whether they or societies realize that. In modern society this often manifests itself as child abuse. When it was possible to abuse and murder women and get away with it this is what happened. "Alice is a witch" is just an excuse for a certain sexually distorted priest or some other person wanting to beat, torture and finally murder Alice for sexual pleasure.

Where in the fudge did you did forced celebacy from?
Ha? Forced celibacy. WTF?

Priest celibacy is lifelong. Moreover masturbation is forbidden..so I have no idea how this could even work. There are times when this IS forced because people struggle with it.

[Australian rePublic]

Where in the fudge did you did forced celebacy from?
Ha? Forced celibacy. WTF?

Priest celibacy is lifelong. Moreover masturbation is forbidden..so I have no idea how this could even work.

Priest celebacy is something that only exists in the Catholic and Orthodox denominations. And the Orthodox have exceptions. Do you mean to tell me that everyone who accused witches, burned witches and witnessed the event was a Catholic peiest?

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Where in the fudge did you did forced celebacy from?
Ha? Forced celibacy. WTF?

Priest celibacy is lifelong. Moreover masturbation is forbidden..so I have no idea how this could even work. There are times when this IS forced.

I think the prohibition of masturbation for priests works just like prohibition of cannabis by governments - a lot of people do it anyway and they almost always get away with it if they're doing it in the privacy of their own homes.

[Australian rePublic]

Priest celibacy is lifelong. Moreover masturbation is forbidden..so I have no idea how this could even work. There are times when this IS forced.

I think the prohibition of masturbation for priests works just like prohibition of cannabis by governments - a lot of people do it anyway and they almost always get away with it if they're doing it in the privacy of their own homes.

Do puritans even believe in clerical celebacy?

[Neko-koku]

Priest celibacy is lifelong. Moreover masturbation is forbidden..so I have no idea how this could even work.

Priest celebacy is something that only exists in the Catholic and Orthodox denominations. And the Orthodox have exceptions. Do you mean to tell me that everyone who accused witches, burned witches and witnessed the event was a Catholic peiest?

No.

In other examples family feud and other drama unrelated to religion may have played a significant role. Maybe just like "Professor Zhang is an enemy of Chairman Mao!!!" is likely just an excuse for "I will become the department chair if I can oust Prof Zhang by falsely accusing him of disloyalty towards Mao" and has nothing to do with Mao or whether Prof Zhang is actually loyal to him when some form of "Catherine Jones is a witch" can claim almost all women in a single village I guess "I owe the Jones family 7 pences so I will get all of them killed by falsely accusing them of witchcraft" is probably the real motivation.

After all this was how many antisemitic pogroms in Europe started. "Jews murdered Christ" is just a socially acceptable excuse for "FUCK. I owe Aharon 4 ounces of gold. Let's kill him so that I don't have to repay the debt".

[Thepeopl]

J.K. Rowling is behind this!

This is great publicity, and will boost her sales numbers.

Methinks the catholic church will receive a nice donation from her.

removes conspiracy hat.

As stated, pastor is probably going to be retired, or used as proof the evil spirits have possessed him due to reading past his bedtime.

Several Christian Fringe groups do believe the bible and take it literally. So no surprise that they read other books the same way. It has been written, so it must be true.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

People miss the point of the Harry Potter books. Whilst the book is centred on doing spells and magic, it's mostly about human conflict, grief and the importance of friendship. In what world is Avada Kadrava a real spell? If it were, then think of all those people in the theatre who watch the films - whenever it's said, did they fucking die? No.

I try to be tolerant of different viewpoints, but not when they're anti-intelligent and so damn assured of it. It's a book, dammit, and if you don't wanna read it fine, but don't ban other people because you're scared you'll turn into a newt.

[Australian rePublic]

Priest celebacy is something that only exists in the Catholic and Orthodox denominations. And the Orthodox have exceptions. Do you mean to tell me that everyone who accused witches, burned witches and witnessed the event was a Catholic peiest?

No.

In other examples family feud and other drama unrelated to religion may have played a significant role. Maybe just like "Professor Zhang is an enemy of Chairman Mao!!!" is likely just an excuse for "I will become the department chair if I can oust Prof Zhang by falsely accusing him of disloyalty towards Mao" and has nothing to do with Mao or whether Prof Zhang is actually loyal to him when some form of "Catherine Jones is a witch" can claim almost all women in a single village I guess "I owe the Jones family 7 pences so I will get all of them killed by falsely accusing them of witchcraft" is probably the real motivation.

After all this was how many antisemitic pogroms in Europe started. "Jews murdered Christ" is just a socially acceptable excuse for "FUCK. I owe Aharon 4 ounces of gold. Let's kill him so that I don't have to repay the debt".

You just contradicted yourself. You blamed the entire thing on clerical celebacy, and now that you were proven wrong, you fundamentally change your story and say that it was caused prodominately by other factors.

[Black Moon Magisterium]

I didn’t find Harry Potter all that magically inspiring, I was influenced by Final Fantasy Tactics Advance and prefer more classic fantasy settings, elves etc.

Harry Potter is a political story.

[Australian rePublic]

J.K. Rowling is behind this!

This is great publicity, and will boost her sales numbers.

Methinks the catholic church will receive a nice donation from her.

removes conspiracy hat.

As stated, pastor is probably going to be retired, or used as proof the evil spirits have possessed him due to reading past his bedtime.

Several Christian Fringe groups do believe the bible and take it literally. So no surprise that they read other books the same way. It has been written, so it must be true.

Catholicism specifically forbids a literal interpretation of the Genesis

[Thepeopl]

-snip-I’m not sure the simple Latin two-word phrases will pass as spells. But I’m not an expert on the latter.

How can this be?
You are a Magisterium!

[-Ocelot-]

Why are these people even alive?

They aren't stupid nor do they believe Harry Potter books can summon evil spirits. As usual, it's about money and power. Any form of media that antagonizes christianity must be eliminated. Same goes for media that depict women as equal to men. The church can't burn books en masse or imprison people theses days, but they can scare oblivious parents into taking away "problematic" media from their children.

The church is afraid of the newer generations because they are less loyal and won't contribute the same amount of money older generations did. They are also afraid of losing their power over people, especially women.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Why are these people even alive?

They aren't stupid nor do they believe Harry Potter books can summon evil spirits. As usual, it's about money and power. Any form of media that antagonizes christianity must be eliminated. Same goes for media that depict women as equal to men. The church can't burn books en masse or imprison people theses days, but they can scare oblivious parents into taking away "problematic" media from their children.

The church is afraid of the newer generations because they are less loyal and won't contribute the same amount of money older generations did. They are also afraid of losing their power over people, especially women.

Well, maybe it is time that they lost their institutional power and their beliefs had no basis in law and government.