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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:45 am

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Lol great bumper sticker "D.A.R.E. to think for yourself"

You remember the pencils that sharpened down from "don't do drugs" to "do drugs?"

That never stopped being funny to my 5th grade self.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:47 am

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Lol great bumper sticker "D.A.R.E. to think for yourself"

You remember the pencils that sharpened down from "don't do drugs" to "do drugs?"

That never stopped being funny to my 5th grade self.

We never had such things. Childhood in the UK seems boring in comparison.
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An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:You've got to make a line somewhere.

Oh dear.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:57 am

No. Should we care if one decides to anyway? No.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:08 am

Legalized cocaine would have a lot of market potential.

Imagine something akin to a nicotine pouch, but it's cocaine. Or a sports drink, with cocaine in it. Or a painkiller, with cocaine in it...or a cigarette...or a vape...or a condiment...or gum...or a soft drink...or a beer...or liquor...or even food.

My oh my the list goes on and on.
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:56 pm

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A good night's sleep does a better job at this, but people will just whine- "but there's not enough time during the day to get everything done." This might well be true, but no one ever said budgeting your own time and efforts was easy. Using any substance to keep you awake is more of a crutch with a cost to it that'll be negative for you later on.


Wow...For once I completely agree with you.
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Postby Thepeopl » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:21 pm

All kinds of drugs should be legalized. That way the quality of the drug can be guaranteed.
You will undercut criminal drugs lord and the prices can be lowered, use can be monitored so overall crime rates will lower.

It is really dangerous that coke is cut with fentanyl, that stuff will kill.

I never actually saw coke irl. And I live in the Netherlands.

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Postby Zhivotnoye » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:46 pm

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I'm all in favor of legalizing drugs as long as it doesn't pose a serious risk to society (public safety).


You will still get people driving under the influence, for example, but you can minimise this through education.


And harsh punishments.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:46 pm

Thepeopl wrote:All kinds of drugs should be legalized. That way the quality of the drug can be guaranteed.
You will undercut criminal drugs lord and the prices can be lowered, use can be monitored so overall crime rates will lower.

It is really dangerous that coke is cut with fentanyl, that stuff will kill.

I never actually saw coke irl. And I live in the Netherlands.

Weird, I have seen coke in the Netherlands.
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Postby Zhivotnoye » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:48 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Thepeopl wrote:All kinds of drugs should be legalized. That way the quality of the drug can be guaranteed.
You will undercut criminal drugs lord and the prices can be lowered, use can be monitored so overall crime rates will lower.

It is really dangerous that coke is cut with fentanyl, that stuff will kill.

I never actually saw coke irl. And I live in the Netherlands.

Weird, I have seen coke in the Netherlands.


From the Netherlands as well, seen it a few times, but granted, it really depends on the people you get involved with and/or the places you visit.

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Postby Elwher » Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:48 pm

A question to the original question - Does it ever need to be excused?
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Postby GLDF » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:11 pm

In the memorable words.
"Please don't do cocaine. Cocaine ruin your brain."

Seriously, that stuff really is shit and I've heard nothing but awful things from people who know things about it from personal knowledge. It's not a conspiracy, cocaine is garbage for your body and should be avoided. Even if you want a high either way, it's not going to give as much after the first. And the pain doesn't sound worth any of it.
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Postby Page » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:49 pm

GLDF wrote:In the memorable words.
"Please don't do cocaine. Cocaine ruin your brain."

Seriously, that stuff really is shit and I've heard nothing but awful things from people who know things about it from personal knowledge. It's not a conspiracy, cocaine is garbage for your body and should be avoided. Even if you want a high either way, it's not going to give as much after the first. And the pain doesn't sound worth any of it.


Stimulants in general are a Faustian bargain, coke, meth, Adderall, Ritalin. The more you do it, the euphoria is lesser and shorter in duration, while the comedowns are harsher and longer in duration.

The problem is that the first few times are just... soooooo wonderful. And even if one is aware of the law of diminishing returns that applies to stimulants, it's very tempting to try to recreate those first few highs even though it's a losing battle.
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Postby Great Mojave » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:58 pm

I hear it works wonders for your waistline!

...ok, IC aside, I don't think cocaine is a force for good, and should only be used for medicinal purposes, if such purposes even exist.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:06 pm

I draw the line at...

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Postby Page » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:23 pm

Great Mojave wrote:I hear it works wonders for your waistline!

...ok, IC aside, I don't think cocaine is a force for good, and should only be used for medicinal purposes, if such purposes even exist.


Pretty much every scheduled drug has medical uses:

- Cocaine works as a numbing agent, it also can cause increased wakefulness, and promote weight loss.

- Meth is actually given to children with ADHD (Google Desoxyn). It's literally meth, the only difference between it and illegal meth is the route of administration. It's also been used for helping severely obese people lose weight.

- Psilocybin mushrooms are only effective non-surgical treatment against cluster headaches. Even dosing once a month can prevent cluster headaches entirely.

- LSD can help terminally ill people come to terms with their death and have a better quality of life for the rest of their time. Also, many people have quit smoking after LSD trips and a good number of them never go back to smoking. It's also theorized that LSD microdosing may be effective against ADD.

- MDMA in combination with therapy is effective for treating PTSD.

- Heroin treats pain. In some countries, medical grade heroin is used the same way in hospitals as morphine for severe pain.

- Cannabis has many, many uses including stimulating appetite, pain relief, anxiety relief, and treating epilepsy.

All of these substances have benefits and risks. The only things that people get high off of that has no medical use at all are inhalants.
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Postby Bombadil » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:34 pm

Living in a city of bankers.. sure, I've dabbled occasionally but the thing that really turned me off was the enormous environmental damage the production takes, pools of hydrochloric acid sitting around in forests beyond the strip clearing and etc.,

In fact just the production process and knowing what it's cut with, seemed kinda stupid to take it.

Maybe if legalised these wouldn't be a problem but, I dunno, anything that takes bleaching in hydrochloric acid for ingestion through your nose seems a little dumb.
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Postby Slavakino » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:55 pm

Cocaine is a harmful drug that ruins one's life. So no, it's not.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:26 pm

If people I don't know would like to use drugs such as coke, that is their prerogative. Who am I to say whether or not it's excusable?

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Postby Heloin » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:36 pm

Only if you share.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:21 pm

Well? Experimentation? Sure why not. I will admit to trying it once. It was a meh to me.

Now crystal meth? That’s nasty shit. Would never ever consider it.
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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Which leaves behind a few questions; if such an addictive substance is justified in use by supposedly promoting productivity, why is it illegal in the first place?

Because doing cocaine for fun or for productivity is bad for health. Legalising cocaine (outside strictly medical use) is just like legalising doping in sports: by doing so, one would force people to choose between their health and their work.
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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Which leaves behind a few questions; if such an addictive substance is justified in use by supposedly promoting productivity, why is it illegal in the first place?

Because doing cocaine for fun or for productivity is bad for health. Legalising cocaine (outside strictly medical use) is just like legalising doping in sports: by doing so, one would force people to choose between their health and their work.


We already do that with adderall and nicotine.
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Risottia wrote:Because doing cocaine for fun or for productivity is bad for health. Legalising cocaine (outside strictly medical use) is just like legalising doping in sports: by doing so, one would force people to choose between their health and their work.


We already do that with adderall and nicotine.

The assumption of nicotine does not make one more productive.
Adderall is a prescription drug only.
I fail to see your point.
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