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Is it ever excusable to do cocaine?

Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:21 pm

It was often pointed out, during the era of stop-and-frisk, that it was disproportionately targeted at the poor and black, despite the reputation of Wall-Street-types for cocaine use.

So when cops finally started targeting cocaine users, you'd think society and the rich were stuck without an excuse.

You'd be wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co3w6PYPSEo

It's 5 minutes long, but if you need a summary, it's basically "Gavin McInnes tries to justify cocaine use by associating it with productivity."

Which leaves behind a few questions; if such an addictive substance is justified in use by supposedly promoting productivity, why is it illegal in the first place? Is it that people who consider it justified don't speak for the voting public? If so, why isn't stop-and-frisk applied to cocaine use? Why make a drug illegal in the first place if you don't intend to enforce its prohibition like you would with other illegal drugs?

Me? I'm more of the "rehabilitate, don't incarcerate" school of thought. The whole point of incarceration was to make people too terrified of prison to do drugs, and that hasn't worked. Rehabilitate them instead; rich or poor; but don't legitimize the idea of sacrificing health itself on the altar of "productivity." If something healthy like coffee isn't drastic enough to make someone productive, then our bodies are trying to tell us something we really shouldn't actively ignore.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:35 pm

I've done coke twice in my life and I can tell you I didn't enjoy it at all. The first time was when I was 12. I was at a party with a cousin and some guys basically pressured me into snorting a line. They surrounded me and demanded I do it with them and being a kid, I reluctantly agreed to do it. I was bouncing off the walls for the next half hour and running around screaming because it literally caused me to have an anxiety attack.

The second time was when I was in highschool and we had a lock in. I did some with a friend thinking it would be funner this time since I was older but once again I had a panic attack. Cocaine is one hell of a drug. Avoid it at all cost kids
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Postby Skyhooked » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:41 pm

Never done this white powdery thingy, that magic fairy dust, that makes ya' stimulated and agitated. But unless this thingy made ya' kill someone, I say, rehabilitate! Do not put in prison, cuz inmates will just teach the druggie to be a criminal, and there won't be any good to society, while rehabilitated person, will be more likely to end up being a good citizen, who will never touch that addictive thingy again.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:42 pm

In the US, Cocaine was supposedly made illegal to put a stop to "Cocaine crazed Negros." White employers encouraged Cocaine use for Black laborers for productivity purposes at first, but then there was a perception that it was making them more violent and the wider White population could be targeted. Just as how Marijuana was outlawed because of Mexicans misusing it.
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Postby Purgatio » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:43 pm

No.

Wow, that was easy.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:45 pm

Coke is one drug that I have never touched.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:45 pm

Crack and powdered cocaine should be decriminalized anyway. You shouldn't be in trouble with the law unless you hurt someone else or steal property.

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Postby Vetalia » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:47 pm

Well, simply put there's one set of rules for the rich and another set of rules for the poor. Just look at the politicians who admitted to using these drugs in their past who then have had no problem incarcerating people and branding them for live with a felony (to say nothing of the consequences of incarceration itself) for possessing those same drugs.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:50 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:I've done coke twice in my life and I can tell you I didn't enjoy it at all. The first time was when I was 12. I was at a party with a cousin and some guys basically pressured me into snorting a line. They surrounded me and demanded I do it with them and being a kid, I reluctantly agreed to do it. I was bouncing off the walls for the next half hour and running around screaming because it literally caused me to have an anxiety attack.

The second time was when I was in highschool and we had a lock in. I did some with a friend thinking it would be funner this time since I was older but once again I had a panic attack. Cocaine is one hell of a drug. Avoid it at all cost kids

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:50 pm

It's a hilariously overrated drug and the high wears off in a matter of minutes, so no.
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Postby Skyhooked » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:50 pm

I admit, I am that chaotic crazy guy, who belives, that consuming some substance doesn't make someone a bad, bad person. Even if it's harmful as hell. We all choose our own poison right?

Still, I feel, that legalizing hard drugs may not be the best idea. Weed and LSD are totally ok, yeah, but... hard drugs? That's a hell of a poison, that gets ya' hooked up and eventually rots the body and mind. Especially, since not-so-ethical dealers dillute the already low quality shit with some chemicals, that cause even more damage. Yet decriminalize is an awesome idea. As I say, prisons are for criminals, not confused people, who made just bad decisions in their lives.

Lemme' say this. I respect and understand arguments of both sides, for i understand, that this question is not an easy one and has many edges and angles. Even without cultural perspectives.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:51 pm

Just because rich people get off easier from using illegal drugs than poor people, doesn't mean that the drugs in question are good in and of itself. Cocaine is too dangerous and addictive for many if not most in society, to not want it remaining a controlled substance at minimum.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:53 pm

I wouldn't do coke personally, but hell, let the few who wanna make that bad decision do so.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:54 pm

I credit it, along with caffeine, for keeping me sharp and awake during the last six months of writing my thesis.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:57 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:It's a hilariously overrated drug and the high wears off in a matter of minutes, so no.


It wears off in about a half hour, which would be problematic for me as I like to remain intoxicated for at least 6 hours and preferably around 10 or 12.

Of course, 12 hours of a coke high would be utter hell for me. I'll stick to marijuana and Miller thank you very much
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:57 pm

It's not an inherently incorrect thing to do, taking any kind of drugs isn't in general, you have a right to regulate your bodily intake that can only be taken away from you according to the law.

I might have smoked crack one time. It's fine I guess. :P
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:58 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I credit it, along with caffeine, for keeping me sharp and awake during the last six months of writing my thesis.

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Postby Vetalia » Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:59 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:It's a hilariously overrated drug and the high wears off in a matter of minutes, so no.


It wears off in about a half hour, which would be problematic for me as I like to remain intoxicated for at least 6 hours and preferably around 10 or 12.

Of course, 12 hours of a coke high would be utter hell for me. I'll stick to marijuana and Miller thank you very much


I'll have to try your version of M&Ms sometime, sounds like a good combo.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:00 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I credit it, along with caffeine, for keeping me sharp and awake during the last six months of writing my thesis.


A good night's sleep does a better job at this, but people will just whine- "but there's not enough time during the day to get everything done." This might well be true, but no one ever said budgeting your own time and efforts was easy. Using any substance to keep you awake is more of a crutch with a cost to it that'll be negative for you later on.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:01 pm

It's just doing drugs. Like really tho. Let someone ruin their health by themselves. Btw I'm serious.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:01 pm

The Rich Port wrote:I might have smoked crack one time. It's fine I guess. :P

I'm pretty sure I smoked opium once. This was during my youth, decades ago, so not entirely sure. :meh:
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Postby Recidivism » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:04 pm

Kind of a moot question. The "cocaine" that gets sold these days is bunk, just amphetamines/dental anesthetics/sugar/whatever glued together to look like a nice, solid rock that hasn't been cut.

Doing coke is never satisfying, except when you're high off it. It makes you want to do more coke right after.

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Postby Skyhooked » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:05 pm

As for me... If I'll tell ya' what drugs I did during my lifetime, you'll never ever belive this. I never even touched drugs, not even cannabis.
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Postby Recidivism » Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:05 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:I credit it, along with caffeine, for keeping me sharp and awake during the last six months of writing my thesis.


A good night's sleep does a better job at this, but people will just whine- "but there's not enough time during the day to get everything done." This might well be true, but no one ever said budgeting your own time and efforts was easy. Using any substance to keep you awake is more of a crutch with a cost to it that'll be negative for you later on.


I completely agree. I use this reasoning to help me avoid using stimulant drugs. There is nothing better than creating your own natural sleep cycle. Plus, cocaine is probably just going to make your sleep worse long-term.
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