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by Liriena » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:47 am
I am: A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist An aspiring writer and journalist | Political compass stuff: Economic Left/Right: -8.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92 For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism, cynicism ⚧Copy and paste this in your sig if you passed biology and know gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧ |
by Arkhane » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:52 am
Ifreann wrote:Arkhane wrote:
Feelings are a part of biology, the CHANGES THEY CAN EXERT over our other biological aspects and physical traits HOWEVER is only very MINIMAL, that's why people who wish to transition need some help with hormones and surgery in order for them to FEEL more like the gender they identify as.
Yes, some people want to change their bodies, which is a feeling, but that feeling alone doesn't cause the change they want. This is obviously true, but I don't know what the relevance is.I didn't realize that A. considering people who over-define their gender and identity as boring as well as B. thinking they might have some weird fixation and insecurity need to be mutually exclusive. You're assumptions are incorrect.
I'm not assuming anything, just observing that you're consistently ascribing problems to other people apropos of nothing.In some aspects yes, that's why I told you I TRY to treat both gender as equally as possible. In general, however, there is no relevance to be had. I don't need to make changes to my approach and attitude whenever I'm dealing with a man or a woman, unless there is a need to.
There's never a need to. But I'm betting that you do, fairly consistently, because one of those groups of people you tend to be romantically/sexually attracted to and the other not.
by USS Monitor » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:00 am
Agarntrop wrote:So, NSG, is their too much pressure on teenagers to sexually identify nowadays?
by Bear Stearns » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:00 am
by Page » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:06 am
Bear Stearns wrote:It used to be that being straight was just taken for granted and people didn't think about it. You thought about getting that girl's number, not what your sexual identity was. You didn't even know what a sexual identity even is.
Thanks guys.
by Earthbound Immortal Squad » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:13 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:If you slightly resemble the caricatured images people have, you'll find people start trying to "liberate" you by putting you in a box rather than letting you make up your own mind.
More widely, there's a pressure to publically perform a narrow stereotyped role, to act in particular stereotyped ways or be tutted at for being "ashamed" of who you are - as if being quiet, circumspect, introverted and not aggressively political for a very specific program is a moral failing.
by Giovenith » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:18 am
by Giovenith » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:23 am
Bear Stearns wrote:It used to be that being straight was just taken for granted and people didn't think about it. You thought about getting that girl's number, not what your sexual identity was. You didn't even know what a sexual identity even is.
Thanks guys.
by Cekoviu » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:28 am
Giovenith wrote:Teens should definitively be allowed to find themselves at their own pace. If a kid feels confident she is gay and wants to express that, we should encourage her. If she probably is gay but still doesn't feel comfortable admitting it and wants to focus on her soccer career instead of Pride, that's fine too. The point of acceptance is to let people define themselves and not meddle in their personal affairs or pressure them to be someone they don't want to be.
As long as the message stays in general terms, "Whatever you want to do or whoever you want to be, we're here for you," it should be fine.
by Giovenith » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:31 am
Cekoviu wrote:Giovenith wrote:Teens should definitively be allowed to find themselves at their own pace. If a kid feels confident she is gay and wants to express that, we should encourage her. If she probably is gay but still doesn't feel comfortable admitting it and wants to focus on her soccer career instead of Pride, that's fine too. The point of acceptance is to let people define themselves and not meddle in their personal affairs or pressure them to be someone they don't want to be.
As long as the message stays in general terms, "Whatever you want to do or whoever you want to be, we're here for you," it should be fine.
Just to clarify, though, it's only fine if a lesbian is a soccer player or into Pride. Any other options are completely terrible and offensive.
by Ifreann » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:48 am
Arkhane wrote:Ifreann wrote:Yes, some people want to change their bodies, which is a feeling, but that feeling alone doesn't cause the change they want. This is obviously true, but I don't know what the relevance is.
I'm not assuming anything, just observing that you're consistently ascribing problems to other people apropos of nothing.
There's never a need to. But I'm betting that you do, fairly consistently, because one of those groups of people you tend to be romantically/sexually attracted to and the other not.
The relevance is that feelings alone does not change your gender. Feeling like a woman or man does not make you one.
I'm not, I am simply making an observation and forming opinions on what I think why they do what they do and how I view them.
I don't romantically/sexually interact with every guy I approach, I treat them as equally as if I'm meeting a woman, courtly if they are strangers, genially if they are familiar.
by Agarntrop » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:56 am
Liriena wrote:I can't speak for teenagers in the Anglosphere, but anecdotal evidence on my end of the world suggests that teenagers here are taking a more post-modern, deconstructed approach, just experimenting without putting any labels on their feelings or experiences, but keeping an open mind towards people who do embrace a specific identity. I think that's probably a good thing, because sexuality and gender can be very fluid even when you're on the cusp of adulthood.
That being said, I think a bit of "pressure", or rather healthy encouragement to instrospect about who we are, is good, specially if we're talking about gender non-conforming children and teenagers, who can often lack the language to describe how they feel and experience themselves.
by Earthbound Immortal Squad » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:02 am
Agarntrop wrote:Liriena wrote:I can't speak for teenagers in the Anglosphere, but anecdotal evidence on my end of the world suggests that teenagers here are taking a more post-modern, deconstructed approach, just experimenting without putting any labels on their feelings or experiences, but keeping an open mind towards people who do embrace a specific identity. I think that's probably a good thing, because sexuality and gender can be very fluid even when you're on the cusp of adulthood.
That being said, I think a bit of "pressure", or rather healthy encouragement to instrospect about who we are, is good, specially if we're talking about gender non-conforming children and teenagers, who can often lack the language to describe how they feel and experience themselves.
I would say that adolescence is not a time to be identifying, as feelings can change during that turbulent period and those who change their identity may be shunned, and really should have actually waited until they settled on what they were in the first place.
by Arkhane » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:05 am
Ifreann wrote:Arkhane wrote:
The relevance is that feelings alone does not change your gender. Feeling like a woman or man does not make you one.
Sure it does.I'm not, I am simply making an observation and forming opinions on what I think why they do what they do and how I view them.
I don't romantically/sexually interact with every guy I approach, I treat them as equally as if I'm meeting a woman, courtly if they are strangers, genially if they are familiar.
You should probably hit on a few guys sometimes.
by Cekoviu » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:55 am
Agarntrop wrote:Liriena wrote:I can't speak for teenagers in the Anglosphere, but anecdotal evidence on my end of the world suggests that teenagers here are taking a more post-modern, deconstructed approach, just experimenting without putting any labels on their feelings or experiences, but keeping an open mind towards people who do embrace a specific identity. I think that's probably a good thing, because sexuality and gender can be very fluid even when you're on the cusp of adulthood.
That being said, I think a bit of "pressure", or rather healthy encouragement to instrospect about who we are, is good, specially if we're talking about gender non-conforming children and teenagers, who can often lack the language to describe how they feel and experience themselves.
I would say that adolescence is not a time to be identifying, as feelings can change during that turbulent period and those who change their identity may be shunned, and really should have actually waited until they settled on what they were in the first place.
by SD_Film Artists » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:01 pm
by SD_Film Artists » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:15 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:It used to be that being straight was just taken for granted and people didn't think about it. You thought about getting that girl's number, not what your sexual identity was. You didn't even know what a sexual identity even is.
Thanks guys.
by Cekoviu » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:30 pm
SD_Film Artists wrote:Cekoviu wrote:I'm guessing you don't understand the meaning of these terms.
"Validation"- agreeing with my bullshit
"mansplaining"- I want to spread equality by silencing people no matter how well qualified they are
"internalised _ism"- instead of debating your politics we'll pathologise it instead.
"gatekeeping"- Don't trust doctors, trust Facebook instead.
by Liriena » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:55 pm
Bear Stearns wrote:It used to be that being straight was just taken for granted and people didn't think about it. You thought about getting that girl's number, not what your sexual identity was. You didn't even know what a sexual identity even is.
Thanks guys.
I am: A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist An aspiring writer and journalist | Political compass stuff: Economic Left/Right: -8.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92 For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism, cynicism ⚧Copy and paste this in your sig if you passed biology and know gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧ |
by Liriena » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:00 pm
Agarntrop wrote:Liriena wrote:I can't speak for teenagers in the Anglosphere, but anecdotal evidence on my end of the world suggests that teenagers here are taking a more post-modern, deconstructed approach, just experimenting without putting any labels on their feelings or experiences, but keeping an open mind towards people who do embrace a specific identity. I think that's probably a good thing, because sexuality and gender can be very fluid even when you're on the cusp of adulthood.
That being said, I think a bit of "pressure", or rather healthy encouragement to instrospect about who we are, is good, specially if we're talking about gender non-conforming children and teenagers, who can often lack the language to describe how they feel and experience themselves.
I would say that adolescence is not a time to be identifying, as feelings can change during that turbulent period and those who change their identity may be shunned, and really should have actually waited until they settled on what they were in the first place.
I am: A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist An aspiring writer and journalist | Political compass stuff: Economic Left/Right: -8.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92 For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism, cynicism ⚧Copy and paste this in your sig if you passed biology and know gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧ |
by Liriena » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:02 pm
SD_Film Artists wrote:Cekoviu wrote:I'm guessing you don't understand the meaning of these terms.
"Validation"- agreeing with my bullshit
"mansplaining"- I want to spread equality by silencing people no matter how well qualified they are
"internalised _ism"- instead of debating your politics we'll pathologise it instead.
"gatekeeping"- Don't trust doctors, trust Facebook instead.
I am: A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist An aspiring writer and journalist | Political compass stuff: Economic Left/Right: -8.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92 For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism, cynicism ⚧Copy and paste this in your sig if you passed biology and know gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧ |
by Satans Angel » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:05 pm
by New haven america » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:05 pm
Page wrote:Dejanic wrote:I'm more concerned that a 15 year old child already has an extensive dating history; perhaps they should concentrate on their school work?
High school dating doesn't necessarily mean going out on dates and having sex. In my day we loosely used the terms "dating" or "going out" to describe the phenomenon of having a person with whom you would make out with in the hallway between classes for 6 weeks after which a "break up" over some silly drama would transpire.
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