Too Much Pressure to Identify?

[Ifreann]

Children holding hands with boys AND girls?! Sounds like post-modern neo-Marxism is destroying Argentina.

Tweens just nonchalantly embracing gender neutral pronouns and demanding inclusive sex ed. You hate to see it folks.

Your country just posted cringe, and will loose subscriber.

[Liriena]

Tweens just nonchalantly embracing gender neutral pronouns and demanding inclusive sex ed. You hate to see it folks.

Your country just posted cringe, and will loose subscriber.

smh we do live in a society

[Arkhane]

Feelings are a part of biology, the CHANGES THEY CAN EXERT over our other biological aspects and physical traits HOWEVER is only very MINIMAL, that's why people who wish to transition need some help with hormones and surgery in order for them to FEEL more like the gender they identify as.

Yes, some people want to change their bodies, which is a feeling, but that feeling alone doesn't cause the change they want. This is obviously true, but I don't know what the relevance is.

I didn't realize that A. considering people who over-define their gender and identity as boring as well as B. thinking they might have some weird fixation and insecurity need to be mutually exclusive. You're assumptions are incorrect.

I'm not assuming anything, just observing that you're consistently ascribing problems to other people apropos of nothing.

In some aspects yes, that's why I told you I TRY to treat both gender as equally as possible. In general, however, there is no relevance to be had. I don't need to make changes to my approach and attitude whenever I'm dealing with a man or a woman, unless there is a need to.

There's never a need to. But I'm betting that you do, fairly consistently, because one of those groups of people you tend to be romantically/sexually attracted to and the other not.

The relevance is that feelings alone does not change your gender. Feeling like a woman or man does not make you one.

I'm not, I am simply making an observation and forming opinions on what I think why they do what they do and how I view them.

I don't romantically/sexually interact with every guy I approach, I treat them as equally as if I'm meeting a woman, courtly if they are strangers, genially if they are familiar.

[USS Monitor]

So, NSG, is their too much pressure on teenagers to sexually identify nowadays?

I would say yes.

It's important for people to have the freedom to find what they're into. It's not so important for them to have a nice tidy label for it, and I think some people spend too much time worrying about the labels.

Teenagers changing their minds about their sexuality or gender identity should not be dismissed as dishonest. It may be due to sincere confusion because they are still learning and their hormones are still changing through puberty.

[Bear Stearns]

It used to be that being straight was just taken for granted and people didn't think about it. You thought about getting that girl's number, not what your sexual identity was. You didn't even know what a sexual identity even is.

Thanks guys.

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It used to be that being straight was just taken for granted and people didn't think about it. You thought about getting that girl's number, not what your sexual identity was. You didn't even know what a sexual identity even is.

Thanks guys.

Yes, how terrible that people can actually be who they are now rather than suppressing their feelings and living in shame...

[Earthbound Immortal Squad]

If you slightly resemble the caricatured images people have, you'll find people start trying to "liberate" you by putting you in a box rather than letting you make up your own mind.

More widely, there's a pressure to publically perform a narrow stereotyped role, to act in particular stereotyped ways or be tutted at for being "ashamed" of who you are - as if being quiet, circumspect, introverted and not aggressively political for a very specific program is a moral failing.

I'd go as far as to say if everyone in society does follow one stereotype role then society will collapse and chaos will erupt.

[Giovenith]

Teens should definitively be allowed to find themselves at their own pace. If a kid feels confident she is gay and wants to express that, we should encourage her. If she probably is gay but still doesn't feel comfortable admitting it and wants to focus on her soccer career instead of Pride, that's fine too. The point of acceptance is to let people define themselves and not meddle in their personal affairs or pressure them to be someone they don't want to be.

As long as the message stays in general terms, "Whatever you want to do or whoever you want to be, we're here for you," it should be fine.

[Giovenith]

It used to be that being straight was just taken for granted and people didn't think about it. You thought about getting that girl's number, not what your sexual identity was. You didn't even know what a sexual identity even is.

Thanks guys.

In the words of Emperor Kuzco:

"And thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's... bad...?"


So when you're straight, thinking about things like romance and sex is good wholesome fun, but when doing the exact same thing but as LGBT is presented as also an option, now suddenly it's too much pressure for kids to handle?

[Cekoviu]

Teens should definitively be allowed to find themselves at their own pace. If a kid feels confident she is gay and wants to express that, we should encourage her. If she probably is gay but still doesn't feel comfortable admitting it and wants to focus on her soccer career instead of Pride, that's fine too. The point of acceptance is to let people define themselves and not meddle in their personal affairs or pressure them to be someone they don't want to be.

As long as the message stays in general terms, "Whatever you want to do or whoever you want to be, we're here for you," it should be fine.

Just to clarify, though, it's only fine if a lesbian is a soccer player or into Pride. Any other options are completely terrible and offensive.

[Giovenith]

Teens should definitively be allowed to find themselves at their own pace. If a kid feels confident she is gay and wants to express that, we should encourage her. If she probably is gay but still doesn't feel comfortable admitting it and wants to focus on her soccer career instead of Pride, that's fine too. The point of acceptance is to let people define themselves and not meddle in their personal affairs or pressure them to be someone they don't want to be.

As long as the message stays in general terms, "Whatever you want to do or whoever you want to be, we're here for you," it should be fine.

Just to clarify, though, it's only fine if a lesbian is a soccer player or into Pride. Any other options are completely terrible and offensive.

Well clearly we can't let her join those stamp collecting heathens.

[Ifreann]

Yes, some people want to change their bodies, which is a feeling, but that feeling alone doesn't cause the change they want. This is obviously true, but I don't know what the relevance is.


I'm not assuming anything, just observing that you're consistently ascribing problems to other people apropos of nothing.


There's never a need to. But I'm betting that you do, fairly consistently, because one of those groups of people you tend to be romantically/sexually attracted to and the other not.

The relevance is that feelings alone does not change your gender. Feeling like a woman or man does not make you one.

Sure it does.

I'm not, I am simply making an observation and forming opinions on what I think why they do what they do and how I view them.

I don't romantically/sexually interact with every guy I approach, I treat them as equally as if I'm meeting a woman, courtly if they are strangers, genially if they are familiar.

You should probably hit on a few guys sometimes.

[Cekoviu]

Just to clarify, though, it's only fine if a lesbian is a soccer player or into Pride. Any other options are completely terrible and offensive.

Well clearly we can't let her join those stamp collecting heathens.

Stamp collecting is unironically the worst hobby.

[Agarntrop]

I can't speak for teenagers in the Anglosphere, but anecdotal evidence on my end of the world suggests that teenagers here are taking a more post-modern, deconstructed approach, just experimenting without putting any labels on their feelings or experiences, but keeping an open mind towards people who do embrace a specific identity. I think that's probably a good thing, because sexuality and gender can be very fluid even when you're on the cusp of adulthood.

That being said, I think a bit of "pressure", or rather healthy encouragement to instrospect about who we are, is good, specially if we're talking about gender non-conforming children and teenagers, who can often lack the language to describe how they feel and experience themselves.

I would say that adolescence is not a time to be identifying, as feelings can change during that turbulent period and those who change their identity may be shunned, and really should have actually waited until they settled on what they were in the first place.

[Earthbound Immortal Squad]

I can't speak for teenagers in the Anglosphere, but anecdotal evidence on my end of the world suggests that teenagers here are taking a more post-modern, deconstructed approach, just experimenting without putting any labels on their feelings or experiences, but keeping an open mind towards people who do embrace a specific identity. I think that's probably a good thing, because sexuality and gender can be very fluid even when you're on the cusp of adulthood.

That being said, I think a bit of "pressure", or rather healthy encouragement to instrospect about who we are, is good, specially if we're talking about gender non-conforming children and teenagers, who can often lack the language to describe how they feel and experience themselves.

I would say that adolescence is not a time to be identifying, as feelings can change during that turbulent period and those who change their identity may be shunned, and really should have actually waited until they settled on what they were in the first place.

Exactly the hormones are all over the place, my views at 13-14 were quite different to what they are now.

[Arkhane]

The relevance is that feelings alone does not change your gender. Feeling like a woman or man does not make you one.

Sure it does.

I'm not, I am simply making an observation and forming opinions on what I think why they do what they do and how I view them.

I don't romantically/sexually interact with every guy I approach, I treat them as equally as if I'm meeting a woman, courtly if they are strangers, genially if they are familiar.

You should probably hit on a few guys sometimes.

I am glad you finally understand.

I'm not the flirty, campy variety, and romance doesn't suit me since most of the guys who pursued me are purely in it for superficial appearance and to sate their libido, especially the ones in the closet. Is it sad? A little, but at least it's not complicated, I usually just take compliments or innuendos from other guys as either a joke or lighthearted jab at my preferences, and if they meant it, they either don't show much or do some discreet way of letting me know, most curious men are like that.

[Cekoviu]

I can't speak for teenagers in the Anglosphere, but anecdotal evidence on my end of the world suggests that teenagers here are taking a more post-modern, deconstructed approach, just experimenting without putting any labels on their feelings or experiences, but keeping an open mind towards people who do embrace a specific identity. I think that's probably a good thing, because sexuality and gender can be very fluid even when you're on the cusp of adulthood.

That being said, I think a bit of "pressure", or rather healthy encouragement to instrospect about who we are, is good, specially if we're talking about gender non-conforming children and teenagers, who can often lack the language to describe how they feel and experience themselves.

I would say that adolescence is not a time to be identifying, as feelings can change during that turbulent period and those who change their identity may be shunned, and really should have actually waited until they settled on what they were in the first place.

True sometimes, but a completely solid conviction built upon rational principles is not unjustified or inappropriate. I never changed my gender identity or sexual identification after adolescence (when I solidified both), and some people I know also made reasonable identifications in adolescence (or earlier) without changing. While a general rule is to wait a while before any irreversible actions, adolescent identification can't just be thrown out the window.

[SD_Film Artists]

Indeed, if anything they have to invent new terms (or put a twist on old terms) to encapsulate their BS; validation, mansplaining, internalised _ism, gatekeeping....

I'm guessing you don't understand the meaning of these terms.

"Validation"- agreeing with my bullshit

"mansplaining"- I want to spread equality by silencing people no matter how well qualified they are

"internalised _ism"- instead of debating your politics we'll pathologise it instead.

"gatekeeping"- Don't trust doctors, trust Facebook instead.

[SD_Film Artists]

It used to be that being straight was just taken for granted and people didn't think about it. You thought about getting that girl's number, not what your sexual identity was. You didn't even know what a sexual identity even is.

Thanks guys.

It used to be that surgical bloodletting was just taken for granted and people didn't think about it. You thought about balancing the patient's four humours, not which anti-septic to use. You didn't even know what a general anesthetic even is.

Thanks guys.

The relevance is that feelings alone does not change your gender. Feeling like a woman or man does not make you one.

Sure it does.

If gender is so ethereal that it can only be recognised by self-identification then perhaps we could simplify it and just say 'biological sex'.

[Cekoviu]

I'm guessing you don't understand the meaning of these terms.

"Validation"- agreeing with my bullshit

"mansplaining"- I want to spread equality by silencing people no matter how well qualified they are

"internalised _ism"- instead of debating your politics we'll pathologise it instead.

"gatekeeping"- Don't trust doctors, trust Facebook instead.

Honestly, you're probably a lost cause if you manage to have this level of shitty ideas in your brain. I'm not even going to validate you by addressing this.

Sure it does.

If gender is so ethereal that it can only be recognised by self-identification then perhaps we could simplify it and just say 'biological sex'.

If opinions are so ethereal that they can only be recognized by self-identification, then perhaps we could simplify it and just say "biological neuron patterns."

[Liriena]

It used to be that being straight was just taken for granted and people didn't think about it. You thought about getting that girl's number, not what your sexual identity was. You didn't even know what a sexual identity even is.

Thanks guys.

The sheer ideology of this take.

[Liriena]

I can't speak for teenagers in the Anglosphere, but anecdotal evidence on my end of the world suggests that teenagers here are taking a more post-modern, deconstructed approach, just experimenting without putting any labels on their feelings or experiences, but keeping an open mind towards people who do embrace a specific identity. I think that's probably a good thing, because sexuality and gender can be very fluid even when you're on the cusp of adulthood.

That being said, I think a bit of "pressure", or rather healthy encouragement to instrospect about who we are, is good, specially if we're talking about gender non-conforming children and teenagers, who can often lack the language to describe how they feel and experience themselves.

I would say that adolescence is not a time to be identifying, as feelings can change during that turbulent period and those who change their identity may be shunned, and really should have actually waited until they settled on what they were in the first place.

Here's the problem with your take, though: in the case of gender nonconforming children, we know that their self-identification tends to be quite accurate to their identity later in life.

[Liriena]

I'm guessing you don't understand the meaning of these terms.

"Validation"- agreeing with my bullshit

"mansplaining"- I want to spread equality by silencing people no matter how well qualified they are

"internalised _ism"- instead of debating your politics we'll pathologise it instead.

"gatekeeping"- Don't trust doctors, trust Facebook instead.

These are totally good faith definitions presented by someone who is totally trying to be fair, balanced and accurate.

[Satans Angel]

There is a lot more pressure now than there used to. I never cared much for identifying as a label and needing to feel the need to belong in group of people.

[New haven america]

I'm more concerned that a 15 year old child already has an extensive dating history; perhaps they should concentrate on their school work?

High school dating doesn't necessarily mean going out on dates and having sex. In my day we loosely used the terms "dating" or "going out" to describe the phenomenon of having a person with whom you would make out with in the hallway between classes for 6 weeks after which a "break up" over some silly drama would transpire.

The majority of high school and middle school dating does now involve going out on dates and having sex.