The Thread Formerly Known As Communism Will Save The World

[Great Robertia]

You don't know shit about communism, go read DAS KAPITAL, instead of repeating internet arguments

Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto are very much outdated. The modern 21st century is vastly different to the times they were written in. Modern problems require modern solutions.

YES. Thank you.

[Madonna Queendom]

Will it still be called communism though?

It can be named anything else, I don't care about the nomenclature. I simply believe that a direct democracy, with a strongly decentralized state but state-controlled economy is going to solve many of the problems that capitalism is causing nowadays.

I see. Personally I'm not a fan of a purely state-controlled economy.

[The Islands of Versilia]

A decentralised and democratic form of socialism is much more acceptable in my view than the Vanguardist route communist states typically took.

This is exactly what I have been arguing for the entire tome xD

Mind I ask your thoughts on market socialism? I know little of the details, but I’ve heard it allowed Yugoslavia to prosper economically much more than the USSR, Cuba or other states.

[The Islands of Versilia]

It can be named anything else, I don't care about the nomenclature. I simply believe that a direct democracy, with a strongly decentralized state but state-controlled economy is going to solve many of the problems that capitalism is causing nowadays.

I see. Personally I'm not a fan of a purely state-controlled economy.

I imagine a 21st century, economically and technologically developed country would adhere to market socialism and a democratic economy rather than either state capitalism or free market capitalism.

[Great Algerstonia]

(☭ ͜ʖ ☭)

WE will save the world! WE will share everything with everyone! *cue Soviet anthem*

(/s)

[LiberNovusAmericae]

With all of the tries communism recieved, and almost all ended in failure, I don't think it deserves another chance.

[Madonna Queendom]

A decentralised and democratic form of socialism is much more acceptable in my view than the Vanguardist route communist states typically took.

This is exactly what I have been arguing for the entire tome xD

BTW Is there a currently existing state that best represents your desired system?

[Great Robertia]

It can be named anything else, I don't care about the nomenclature. I simply believe that a direct democracy, with a strongly decentralized state but state-controlled economy is going to solve many of the problems that capitalism is causing nowadays.

I see. Personally I'm not a fan of a purely state-controlled economy.

I understand, but the current capitalistic system is causing poverty, social inequality, destruction of environment and a neverending drive for profit. With a state-controlled economy, resources, goods and services can be produced and distributed much more efficiently, evenly and justly. Especially if it is run with a pragmatic view: that's the best solution under these specific circumstances, for this specific person/group, in these specific times.

[The Islands of Versilia]

With all of the tries communism recieved, and almost all ended in failure, I don't think it deserves another chance.

I proposed earlier in the thread using small settlements or communities to experiment with socialistic or communistic systems of government and economics with a large degree of autonomy, to research how these communities would cope and change under the experiments. Should they prove successful, larger communities could become part of the programme, with problems being addressed individually until a much better state or system could be achieved.

[Diamond Snow]

I love equality and fair values.
Capitalism always makes more equality and justice than communism.
Do you want to live in an aristocratic society where communist cadres dominate society by pedigree?
The communist idea that the state can manage the economy cannot accept the diversity of values.
They communist suppress minorities.
In modern capitalism, market principles punish discriminators and spread diversity values.

[Great Robertia]

This is exactly what I have been arguing for the entire tome xD

BTW Is there a currently existing state that best represents your desired system?

Not in RL. Do you know The Host by Stephanie Meyer (ignore that she's Twilight's author please). In it society has become fairly like I hope it would be: everyone worked to contribute to society and because everyone contributed to society, resources, goods and services were freely available to everyone without the cost of money. Someone required medicine? Because everyone contributes to society you get what you need. Someone required a new car? You got it because you contributed to society and did your part.

Basically you could say I am for a moneyless society, but there's a reason why my ideal state exists in fiction but not in reality.

As to the direct democracy part, I can't think of a existing state that has it to the extent I'd want it, but Swiss is a close candidate. But I am for a system where every law, every change, every decision is decided upon by the people directly, not a parliament indirectly. With modern cellphones and app technology such a thing would be feasible, but it would require a strong security system, making sure everyone has access to cellphones/computers/apps. But it could work if we wanted to.

[Nakena]

Marxism is a circut-logic brainwash ideology which forms a prison for the mind.

[-Astoria]

Marxist communism. A re-attempt at establishing communism worldwide.

But that system is not going to work. Going through the way of Democratic Socialism is going to be much more worthwhile. It's not about the worker here, it's about everyone. Everyone should be able to get a chance at equality and equity, not just the workers at the expense of the elite.

This.

It definitely won't save the world.

[Mioktopia]

Nah fam, we need Monarchism.

[Great Robertia]

Nah fam, we need Monarchism.

As Emperor Robert III of the Empire of Great Robertia, I agree.

But while I love the concept of (constitutional) monarchy IRL, I am not sure if it's the best system out there

[The Islands of Versilia]

Marxism is a circut-logic brainwash ideology which forms a prison for the mind.

Marxism, orthodox or not, cannot be successful in the modern world. Complete state control of resources, human and not, is really too much of a bureaucratic mess in my opinion. A modern socialist state couldn’t possibly compete with the modern capitalist powers without developed infrastructure, western-level technological sophistication and great amount of delegation. Personally, a devolved socialist democracy with a socialist market economy would be the best option for the modern age for socialism, but I doubt anything of the sort of he attempted due to the stigma around socialism and the grip capitalism has over the world.

[The Zarzane Couraion]

in fact,communism didn't work because it's evil by itself
NO ONE is"equal".there are geniuses,artists and ethic people,which are superior,along with stupid,insane,evil people,which prove to be inferior by themselves and their own nature
i am very well documented in history and i'd say national socialism works the best because of:
25% tax reduction for one kid per family
free market with a few laws to prevent inflation
three states of economy(war,economical collapse,society development)
decent,well-paid jobs for everyone,along with free healthcare and low taxes
no reason for crime
clear national and racial identity etc

Naziism was founded upon the belief race A (Germanic) was superior to races B (Jews), E (Slavs), C (Blacks), D (Asians), and every other race or ethnic group. I wouldn’t trust a system that beliefs I deserve to be sterilised and possibly killed because of my ethnic heritage, nor anyone else’s. Besides, fascism isn’t known for tolerance, freedom, respect for free speech or anything of the sort.

Fascism is only sustainable so long it has a scapegoat and an enemy. Jews, Slavs, blacks, mentally ill persons, etc. None of these would be treated as the human beings they are under Naziism.

1 nazism is NOT fascism,study history
2 that belief does NOT exist anywhere in nazism,that is just jewish disinformation.however,quotes of rabbis saying openly that we deserve to be their slaves because the abrahamic”god"said so can be found a lot on the internet,just search for them
3 in mainstream history,certainly,both are considered dictatorships,although studying their doctrines by yourself with an open mind will help you see that,in fact,they weren't harmful at all.for nazism,especially,there is a lot of proof that the holocost was a lie,again,search for it
also,see the site i put.it will certainly help you!

[Rojava Free State]

#1 this world in its current state is doomed anyways and probably will collapse into another dark age sometime around the end of the 21st century, so nothing can save it

#2 communism has failed everywhere it was tried, because people don't voluntarily share their wealth, which necessitates folks like mao or stalin coming into existence and forcing people to share their wealth or else.

[Madonna Queendom]

BTW Is there a currently existing state that best represents your desired system?

Not in the RL. Do you know The Host by Stephanie Meyer (ignore that she's Twilight's author please). In it society has become fairly like I hope it would be: everyone worked to contribute to society and because everyone contributed to society, resources, goods and services were freely available to everyone without the cost of money. Someone required medicine? Because everyone contributes to society you get what you need. Someone required a new car? You got it because you contributed to society and did your part.

Basically you could say I am for a moneyless society, but there's a reason why my ideal state exists in fiction but not in reality.

As to the direct democracy part, I can't think of a existing state that has it to the extent I'd want it, but Swiss is a close candidate. But I am for a system where every law, every change, every decision is decided upon by the people directly, not a parliament indirectly. With modern cellphones and app technology such a thing would be feasible, but it would require a strong security system, making sure everyone has access to cellphones/computers/apps. But it would be possible if we wanted to.

Yay! An answer! <3

Okay, my points before I log out:

• Is it bad that I only recognize Stephenie Meyer's name for her "Twilight" series? Ha ha
• "Everyone worked": I am not sure that is possible. There will always be a fraction of the population that will not work.
• Moneyless might be impracticable. Cashless possible, but moneyless?
• People ought to educate themselves better if it's going to be direct democracy, because an easily swayed populace can result to easily swayed rules. Decisions can be hastily and poorly considered.
• Yes, agreed, it will take effort to upgrade tech access.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

With all of the tries communism recieved, and almost all ended in failure, I don't think it deserves another chance.

I proposed earlier in the thread using small settlements or communities to experiment with socialistic or communistic systems of government and economics with a large degree of autonomy, to research how these communities would cope and change under the experiments. Should they prove successful, larger communities could become part of the programme, with problems being addressed individually until a much better state or system could be achieved.

I wouldn't mind if you do that as long as you don't force people to take part.

[The Islands of Versilia]

Naziism was founded upon the belief race A (Germanic) was superior to races B (Jews), E (Slavs), C (Blacks), D (Asians), and every other race or ethnic group. I wouldn’t trust a system that beliefs I deserve to be sterilised and possibly killed because of my ethnic heritage, nor anyone else’s. Besides, fascism isn’t known for tolerance, freedom, respect for free speech or anything of the sort.

Fascism is only sustainable so long it has a scapegoat and an enemy. Jews, Slavs, blacks, mentally ill persons, etc. None of these would be treated as the human beings they are under Naziism.

1 nazism is NOT fascism,study history
2 that belief does NOT exist anywhere in nazism,that is just jewish disinformation.however,quotes of rabbis saying openly that we deserve to be their slaves because the abrahamic”god"said so can be found a lot on the internet,just search for them
3 in mainstream history,certainly,both are considered dictatorships,although studying their doctrines by yourself with an open mind will help you see that,in fact,they weren't harmful at all.for nazism,especially,there is a lot of proof that the holocost was a lie,again,search for it
also,see the site i put.it will certainly help you!

Ah, you’re a holocaust denier. That explains a lot.

[Great Robertia]

Marxism is a circut-logic brainwash ideology which forms a prison for the mind.

Marxism, orthodox or not, cannot be successful in the modern world. Complete state control of resources, human and not, is really too much of a bureaucratic mess in my opinion. A modern socialist state couldn’t possibly compete with the modern capitalist powers without developed infrastructure, western-level technological sophistication and great amount of delegation. Personally, a devolved socialist democracy with a socialist market economy would be the best option for the modern age for socialism, but I doubt anything of the sort of he attempted due to the stigma around socialism and the grip capitalism has over the world.

How about we really go for unity and set up a world government, uniting all of the human race as one? If we ever go into space as a species, doing so united in a direct democracy and socialist state might be really helpful plus it eliminates the need to compete with other states. I know it's nigh impossible, but one can dream, no?

[The Islands of Versilia]

I proposed earlier in the thread using small settlements or communities to experiment with socialistic or communistic systems of government and economics with a large degree of autonomy, to research how these communities would cope and change under the experiments. Should they prove successful, larger communities could become part of the programme, with problems being addressed individually until a much better state or system could be achieved.

I wouldn't mind if you do that as long as you don't force people to take part.

Oh, I wouldn’t think of it. I believe a free, fair referendum or the consent of the communities that would be involved in this hypothetical programme would be required before it could even begin.

[The Islands of Versilia]

Marxism, orthodox or not, cannot be successful in the modern world. Complete state control of resources, human and not, is really too much of a bureaucratic mess in my opinion. A modern socialist state couldn’t possibly compete with the modern capitalist powers without developed infrastructure, western-level technological sophistication and great amount of delegation. Personally, a devolved socialist democracy with a socialist market economy would be the best option for the modern age for socialism, but I doubt anything of the sort of he attempted due to the stigma around socialism and the grip capitalism has over the world.

How about we really go for unity and set up a world government, uniting all of the human race as one? If we ever go into space as a species, doing so united in a direct democracy and socialist state might be really helpful plus it eliminates the need to compete with other states. I know it's nigh impossible, but one can dream, no?

Personally, that’s where we disagree greatly. Whilst I can understand the ideals behind human unification and world government, I’m afraid I’m vehemently opposed to anything more than a confederation, kind of like the EU. I’m very protective of national identities, cultures and my country’s monarchy. I would even engage in armed rebellion against a world government.

A voluntary union of free states would be much more preferable, not unlike the United Nations.

[The Zarzane Couraion]

1 nazism is NOT fascism,study history
2 that belief does NOT exist anywhere in nazism,that is just jewish disinformation.however,quotes of rabbis saying openly that we deserve to be their slaves because the abrahamic”god"said so can be found a lot on the internet,just search for them
3 in mainstream history,certainly,both are considered dictatorships,although studying their doctrines by yourself with an open mind will help you see that,in fact,they weren't harmful at all.for nazism,especially,there is a lot of proof that the holocost was a lie,again,search for it
also,see the site i put.it will certainly help you!

Ah, you’re a holocaust denier. That explains a lot.

?i'm not sure what do you mean by that
oh,and also,i'm a spiritual satanist,by the way.hope it helps!