The Thread Formerly Known As Communism Will Save The World

[Brulafi]

Mosaddegh, the closest thing to an Iranian communist leader, actually was improving the Iranian condition massively before he was offed in a CIA-sponsored coup.

This is a common theme with leftist developing countries. They get good, then they get offed by the CIA.

Mossadeq wasn't really a communist though although he was indeed anti democratically overthrown by the CIA (America supports democracy in name only)

Indeed, hence the 'closest thing to an Iranian communist leader' as it seems the person I was quoting thinks there was a Communist regime in Iran, when there kinda wasn't.

[Neanderthaland]

Mossadeq wasn't really a communist though although he was indeed anti democratically overthrown by the CIA (America supports democracy in name only)

Indeed, hence the 'closest thing to an Iranian communist leader' as it seems the person I was quoting thinks there was a Communist regime in Iran, when there kinda wasn't.

Communists were involved in the coup that deposed the Shah, as they opposed him too.

I'm not sure if you could blame them for what happened after that, though, as they were also pretty pissed about the whole "theocracy" thing.

[Washingtonae]

"Communism will save us!"
-Russia, Mao's China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Somalia, Congo, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Venezuela

>Communism
>Iran

No

My mistake, but my point still stands.

[Empire of Asgadr]

>Communism
>Iran

No

My mistake, but my point still stands.

North Korea is more like Japanese Fascism at this point tbh

[Kubra]

My mistake, but my point still stands.

North Korea is more like Japanese Fascism at this point tbh

I mean they've stricken socialism from the constitution, not to mention embracing heretical doctrines like idealism

[Kowani]

>Communism
>Iran

No

My mistake, but my point still stands.

Venezuela wasn’t communist either.

[Empire of Asgadr]

North Korea is more like Japanese Fascism at this point tbh

I mean they've stricken socialism from the constitution, not to mention embracing heretical doctrines like idealism

And all that about "Koreans being the purest race"

[Nakena]

I mean they've stricken socialism from the constitution, not to mention embracing heretical doctrines like idealism

And all that about "Koreans being the purest race"

Juche is it's own thing really.

[The Islands of Versilia]

And all that about "Koreans being the purest race"

Juche is it's own thing really.

In my mind, the most socialist or "communist" thing about North Korea is its rhetoric and iconography. In practice, it looks more akin to fascism to me. I’m not pulling a "not true communist" thing here, just giving my thoughts on the matter. Granted, there hasn’t ever been an "ideal" communist state unless one is pro-tyranny.

[Empire of Asgadr]

Juche is it's own thing really.

In my mind, the most socialist or "communist" thing about North Korea is its rhetoric and iconography. In practice, it looks more akin to fascism to me. I’m not pulling a "not true communist" thing here, just giving my thoughts on the matter. Granted, there hasn’t ever been an "ideal" communist state unless one is pro-tyranny.

North Korea is more militant nationalist national mysticist that it is communist at this point. And it is also a necrocracy, how about that

[Kubra]

And all that about "Koreans being the purest race"

Juche is it's own thing really.

I mean I tell folks that sure there's blame to assign when it comes to the Soviet Union and China, ain't nobody got perfect ideas and bad ideas can manifest themselves very badly, but North Korea and Cambodia ain't us. They're just too weird.

[Skarten]

Communist wannabes often go on paragraph after paragraph on why grandpa's farm is the very root of evil and how working in as steel mill for one loaf of bread a month is the highest quality of life (Not for them of course, they will design uniforms). This is too short. Obvious bait, Pesci/10

[Kubra]

In my mind, the most socialist or "communist" thing about North Korea is its rhetoric and iconography. In practice, it looks more akin to fascism to me. I’m not pulling a "not true communist" thing here, just giving my thoughts on the matter. Granted, there hasn’t ever been an "ideal" communist state unless one is pro-tyranny.

North Korea is more militant nationalist national mysticist that it is communist at this point. And it is also a necrocracy, how about that

I mean a republican monarchy where the military calls the shots? I tell ya what North Korea is: the true successor of the Roman empire.

[Great Minarchistan]

rather depressing that this is the most we get out of an economics related thread

[America-1980s]

I've come across several threads which are at the peak of misanthropy. Instead, I posit a solution: communism.

Think about it. What is the #1 cause of all the world's current problems? Inequality. What is another? Lack of resources, or rather lack of equal access to those resources. Under a potentially communist direction, we can not only own the means of production but also own the finished product equally.

By ensuring future generations have something to live for, we can no longer pretend that the current system works, or at least just tolerate the current system. We have to act. We have to do something else. And that is why communism will do this exact thing.

This is why the cold war happened because people were falling for the communist fantasy and finally realizing the trouble it brought to their country. As President Reagan has said before, capitalism doesn't require a wall to keep their own citizens, with communist countries such as East Germany they had to build a wall to keep their people from leaving their "communist paradise".

[Diarcesia]

I've come across several threads which are at the peak of misanthropy. Instead, I posit a solution: communism.

Think about it. What is the #1 cause of all the world's current problems? Inequality. What is another? Lack of resources, or rather lack of equal access to those resources. Under a potentially communist direction, we can not only own the means of production but also own the finished product equally.

By ensuring future generations have something to live for, we can no longer pretend that the current system works, or at least just tolerate the current system. We have to act. We have to do something else. And that is why communism will do this exact thing.

This is why the cold war happened because people were falling for the communist fantasy and finally realizing the trouble it brought to their country. As President Reagan has said before, capitalism doesn't require a wall to keep their own citizens, with communist countries such as East Germany they had to build a wall to keep their people from leaving their "communist paradise".

They were looking for alternatives in the first place because they experience the flaws that capitalism bring. Sure, it's brought much improvements to society. It's still far from perfect.

[Purgatio]

Indeed. For example: communism is a discredited ideology with no areal success stories. It's not, in any way, a viable alternative to capitalism.

The USSR was the leader in women's rights. Cuba's healthcare is very good due to the communist regime. Education in communist regimes has improved literacy rates. Those are all success stories.

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

Cuba is literally ranked 39 on the WHO rankings for its healthcare system. Like, literally, all these non-communist, capitalist countries:

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates

Have better healthcare systems than Cuba.

[Diarcesia]

The USSR was the leader in women's rights. Cuba's healthcare is very good due to the communist regime. Education in communist regimes has improved literacy rates. Those are all success stories.

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

Cuba is literally ranked 39 on the WHO rankings for its healthcare system. Like, literally, all these non-communist, capitalist countries:

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates

Have better healthcare systems than Cuba.

What kind of capitalist though? US or European?

[Purgatio]

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

Cuba is literally ranked 39 on the WHO rankings for its healthcare system. Like, literally, all these non-communist, capitalist countries:

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates

Have better healthcare systems than Cuba.

What kind of capitalist though? US or European?

There are many countries on that list that are neither American nor European, you'll see.

[Diarcesia]

What kind of capitalist though? US or European?

There are many countries on that list that are neither American nor European, you'll see.

Well, yes. And some of them have economic systems considered too "socialistic" for the US's liking. *cough*universal healthcare*cough*

[-Ocelot-]

"Communism will save us!"
-Russia, Mao's China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Somalia, Congo, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Venezuela

>Communism
>Iran

No

The entire thing screams US conservative worldview. Most of these country never had communism to begin with.

North Korea isn't communist. The NK party wants to distance itself from the term "communism", it has fully replaced it with the term Juche and it exercises state capitalism, nationalism and isolationism. They have a completely unique, isolationist system that's heavily reliant on China's help.

Venezuela's economy is mostly privately owned. But it's probably labelled "socialist" nowadays because it's failing and westerner conservatives can use it as a boogeyman. Even FOX news made an article dispelling this myth some time ago: https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-soci ... ez-crusade

State capitalism is not communism. Dictatorships aren't automatically communist, even if they say so. Having a functional state does not make you a communist. Socialism as an economic system is pretty much dead and may never make a real comeback. It's just a boogeyman conservatives use to scare skeptics and centrist into ideological submission.

[Empire of Asgadr]

>Communism
>Iran

No

The entire thing screams US conservative worldview. Most of these country never had communism to begin with.

North Korea isn't communist. The NK party wants to distance itself from the term "communism", it has fully replaced it with the term Juche and it exercises state capitalism, nationalism and isolationism. They have a completely unique, isolationist system that's heavily reliant on China's help.

Venezuela's economy is mostly privately owned. But it's probably labelled "socialist" nowadays because it's failing and westerner conservatives can use it as a boogeyman. Even FOX news made an article dispelling this myth some time ago: https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-soci ... ez-crusade

State capitalism is not communism. Dictatorships aren't automatically communist, even if they say so. Having a functional state does not make you a communist. Socialism as an economic system is pretty much dead and may never make a real comeback. It's just a boogeyman conservatives use to scare skeptics and centrist into ideological submission.

All communist governments exercised State Capitalism tho

[Aureumterra]

>Communism
>Iran

No

The entire thing screams US conservative worldview. Most of these country never had communism to begin with.

North Korea isn't communist. The NK party wants to distance itself from the term "communism", it has fully replaced it with the term Juche and it exercises state capitalism, nationalism and isolationism. They have a completely unique, isolationist system that's heavily reliant on China's help.

Venezuela's economy is mostly privately owned. But it's probably labelled "socialist" nowadays because it's failing and westerner conservatives can use it as a boogeyman. Even FOX news made an article dispelling this myth some time ago: https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-soci ... ez-crusade

State capitalism is not communism. Dictatorships aren't automatically communist, even if they say so. Having a functional state does not make you a communist. Socialism as an economic system is pretty much dead and may never make a real comeback. It's just a boogeyman conservatives use to scare skeptics and centrist into ideological submission.

So you’re saying none of those are real communism?

[Takso]

"Real communism hasn't been tried yet."

That's because every time it has been attempted to be tried it turns out to be a total dictatorship, which tends to happen when you take property rights away from people. Everyone posting here is from a capitalist country. That's because the communist countries of today don't want their citizens having access to the open Internet.

[Aureumterra]

"Real communism hasn't been tried yet."

That's because every time it has been attempted to be tried it turns out to be a total dictatorship, which tends to happen when you take property rights away from people. Everyone posting here is from a capitalist country. That's because the communist countries of today don't want their citizens having access to the open Internet.

Bernie Sanders would say I’m posting from a socialist country