The Thread Formerly Known As Communism Will Save The World

[Topoliani]

If you have a Thanosian view of "Saving the world", sure.

As for "Communism will solve inequality and lack of resources!!!!1". Allow me to introduce to you the USSR, where Stalin's pockets were lined and he was allowed to live in 25 different places of high quality. Not to mention, post-scarcity is a buzzword the economically illiterate use to describe a society that cannot exist because man's need and want is unlimited. (For example, in 2017 we produced enough wheat for only 540,190,000 metric tons of flour. Nowhere near enough to feed every man on Earth bread, sorry Bread Santa)

I know AnComs will say "But that's not true Communism", but OP is a tankie so...

[-Astoria]

Naziism was founded upon the belief race A (Germanic) was superior to races B (Jews), E (Slavs), C (Blacks), D (Asians), and every other race or ethnic group. I wouldn’t trust a system that beliefs I deserve to be sterilised and possibly killed because of my ethnic heritage, nor anyone else’s. Besides, fascism isn’t known for tolerance, freedom, respect for free speech or anything of the sort.

Fascism is only sustainable so long it has a scapegoat and an enemy. Jews, Slavs, blacks, mentally ill persons, etc. None of these would be treated as the human beings they are under Naziism.

1 nazism is NOT fascism,study history

2 that belief does NOT exist anywhere in nazism,that is just jewish disinformation.however,quotes of rabbis saying openly that we deserve to be their slaves because the abrahamic”god"said so can be found a lot on the internet,just search for them

3 in mainstream history,certainly,both are considered dictatorships,although studying their doctrines by yourself with an open mind will help you see that,in fact,they weren't harmful at all.for nazism,especially,there is a lot of proof that the holocost was a lie,again,search for it
also,see the site i put.it will certainly help you!

1. I think you'll find it is.
   
2. Top tip: you will have a better chance of making a debate last longer if you back up your statements with sources, and not handwaving & asking people to search it up themselves. And also, "that is just jewish disinformation", let's not bring the international Zionist conspiracy here.
   
3. Oh dear, here we go: there's tons of evidence proving that the Holocaust did, in fact, happen, so already that point has been proven false.

[The Islands of Versilia]

Ah, you’re a holocaust denier. That explains a lot.

?i'm not sure what do you mean by that
oh,and also,i'm a spiritual satanist,by the way.hope it helps!

Despite the evidence, there are still people who believe the Holocaust was a hoax. Pardon my frankness, but it’s bullshit. It is so bullshit in fact, I don’t even bother attempting to argue with those who deny it occurred.

[Arkhane]

Yes, I'm sure it's going to work this time around. If not, then it's not real communism.

[Rojava Free State]

in fact,communism didn't work because it's evil by itself
NO ONE is"equal".there are geniuses,artists and ethic people,which are superior,along with stupid,insane,evil people,which prove to be inferior by themselves and their own nature
i am very well documented in history and i'd say national socialism works the best because of:
25% tax reduction for one kid per family
free market with a few laws to prevent inflation
three states of economy(war,economical collapse,society development)
decent,well-paid jobs for everyone,along with free healthcare and low taxes
no reason for crime
clear national and racial identity etc

Naziism was founded upon the belief race A (Germanic) was superior to races B (Jews), E (Slavs), C (Blacks), D (Asians), and every other race or ethnic group. I wouldn’t trust a system that beliefs I deserve to be sterilised and possibly killed because of my ethnic heritage, nor anyone else’s. Besides, fascism isn’t known for tolerance, freedom, respect for free speech or anything of the sort.

Fascism is only sustainable so long it has a scapegoat and an enemy. Jews, Slavs, blacks, mentally ill persons, etc. None of these would be treated as the human beings they are under Naziism.

The Nazis didn't hate asians. Their allies were the japanese. I once did a project on nazism and race for 9th grade world history class and I read about hitler's views of east asia. He seemed to be cool with them.

Basically the Nazi racial hierarchy was something like this. you had aryans which included all non jewish, non gypsy and non slav southern and western europeans, potentially hungarians, possibly finns, berbers, iranians, Afghan people and upper caste indians; East Asians in China or Japan or the koreas; below that was the Arabs and Native Americans; below that was black people; below that was the gypsies, slavs and jews, who were seen as subhuman

[Great Robertia]

How about we really go for unity and set up a world government, uniting all of the human race as one? If we ever go into space as a species, doing so united in a direct democracy and socialist state might be really helpful plus it eliminates the need to compete with other states. I know it's nigh impossible, but one can dream, no?

Personally, that’s where we disagree greatly. Whilst I can understand the ideals behind human unification and world government, I’m afraid I’m vehemently opposed to anything more than a confederation, kind of like the EU. I’m very protective of national identities, cultures and my country’s monarchy. I would even engage in armed rebellion against a world government.

A voluntary union of free states would be much more preferable, not unlike the United Nations.

I have absolutely no patriotic sentiment within me and even staunchly believe that patriotism is an outdated concept (not meaning to offend you of course, just trying to convey my viewpoints). Because in the end, whether one is born in Great Britain or in Poland, in America or South Africa, we're all human. Division breeds tension and chaos, while unity, I think, might heal the world. I think it's high time people started looking beyond nationalities, ethnicities, skin colours and sexual orientations. As one united people we'd be able to accomplish so much more than a divided planet. People can keep their national cultures, why not, let the world be a melting pot of cultures, religions etc etc. But we should develop one human culture, one human nationality, first and foremost, I believe.

[-Astoria]

Yes, I'm sure it's going to work this time around. If not, then it's not real communism.

That's a bit no true Scotsman, isn't it?

[Nakena]

Naziism was founded upon the belief race A (Germanic) was superior to races B (Jews), E (Slavs), C (Blacks), D (Asians), and every other race or ethnic group. I wouldn’t trust a system that beliefs I deserve to be sterilised and possibly killed because of my ethnic heritage, nor anyone else’s. Besides, fascism isn’t known for tolerance, freedom, respect for free speech or anything of the sort.

Fascism is only sustainable so long it has a scapegoat and an enemy. Jews, Slavs, blacks, mentally ill persons, etc. None of these would be treated as the human beings they are under Naziism.

The Nazis didn't hate asians. Their allies were the japanese. I once did a project on nazism and race for 9th grade world history class and I read about hitler's views of east asia. He seemed to be cool with them.

Basically the Nazi racial hierarchy was something like this. you had aryans which included all non jewish, non gypsy and non slav southern and western europeans, potentially hungarians, possibly finns, berbers, iranians, Afghan people and upper caste indians; East Asians in China or Japan or the koreas; below that was the Arabs and Native Americans; below that was black people; below that was the gypsies, slavs and jews, who were seen as subhuman

Nazism is mostly about extreme antisemitism really. They dont believe the Jews to be subhumans but rather to be a different kind of humans, if not to say monsters in human disguise. Like Icke's reptilian theory. I wrote about this in another thread a while ago.

[Rojava Free State]

Personally, that’s where we disagree greatly. Whilst I can understand the ideals behind human unification and world government, I’m afraid I’m vehemently opposed to anything more than a confederation, kind of like the EU. I’m very protective of national identities, cultures and my country’s monarchy. I would even engage in armed rebellion against a world government.

A voluntary union of free states would be much more preferable, not unlike the United Nations.

I have absolutely no patriotic sentiment within me and even staunchly believe that patriotism is an outdated concept (not meaning to offend you of course, just trying to convey my viewpoints). Because in the end, whether one is born in Great Britain or in Poland, in America or South Africa, we're all human. Division breeds tension and chaos, while unity, I think, might heal the world. I think it's high time people started looking beyond nationalities, ethnicities, skin colours and sexual orientations. As one united people we'd be able to accomplish so much more than a divided planet. People can keep their national cultures, why not, let the world be a melting pot of cultures, religions etc etc. But we should develop one human culture, one human nationality, first and foremost, I believe.

I'm barely patriotic anymore but that doesn't make me want a United world government. It makes me want less of a government at home. I'm basically a borderline anarchist at this point. I can't imagine living under a government that I didn't even vote for that governs from like the hague or something

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Yes, I'm sure it's going to work this time around. If not, then it's not real communism.

It's not a no true scotsman fallacy to point out that communism has to do with the workers overthrowing the ruling class and directly controlling the means of production in a stateless society, while the states that called themselves communist were authoritarian socialists that were controlled by a new ruling class of government bureaucrats, and the workers did not control their own industries.

So even though it's a cliche, the so-called communist countries of the 20th century were literally not communists.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Oh boy

[The Islands of Versilia]

Personally, that’s where we disagree greatly. Whilst I can understand the ideals behind human unification and world government, I’m afraid I’m vehemently opposed to anything more than a confederation, kind of like the EU. I’m very protective of national identities, cultures and my country’s monarchy. I would even engage in armed rebellion against a world government.

A voluntary union of free states would be much more preferable, not unlike the United Nations.

I have absolutely no patriotic sentiment within me and even staunchly believe that patriotism is an outdated concept (not meaning to offend you of course, just trying to convey my viewpoints). Because in the end, whether one is born in Great Britain or in Poland, in America or South Africa, we're all human. Division breeds tension and chaos, while unity, I think, might heal the world. I think it's high time people started looking beyond nationalities, ethnicities, skin colours and sexual orientations. As one united people we'd be able to accomplish so much more than a divided planet. People can keep their national cultures, why not, let the world be a melting pot of cultures, religions etc etc. But we should develop one human culture, one human nationality, first and foremost, I believe.

No offence taken. I am staunchly in favour in retaining national, cultural identities in the face of American cultural hegemony over the West and the invasion of the West by the Islamists, so I’m not particularly fond of internationalist or panhumanist movements, either. Hence, I tend to support for nationalistic variants of socialism and communism, when I do support those systems. It’s case by case for me, personally.

[Nakena]

Yes, I'm sure it's going to work this time around. If not, then it's not real communism.

It's not a no true scotsman fallacy to point out that communism has to do with the workers overthrowing the ruling class and directly controlling the means of production in a stateless society, while the states that called themselves communist were authoritarian socialists that were controlled by a new ruling class of government bureaucrats, and the workers did not control their own industries.

So even though it's a cliche, the so-called communist countries of the 20th century were literally not communists.

The correct designation would actually be Marxism-Leninism.

[Rojava Free State]

The Nazis didn't hate asians. Their allies were the japanese. I once did a project on nazism and race for 9th grade world history class and I read about hitler's views of east asia. He seemed to be cool with them.

Basically the Nazi racial hierarchy was something like this. you had aryans which included all non jewish, non gypsy and non slav southern and western europeans, potentially hungarians, possibly finns, berbers, iranians, Afghan people and upper caste indians; East Asians in China or Japan or the koreas; below that was the Arabs and Native Americans; below that was black people; below that was the gypsies, slavs and jews, who were seen as subhuman

Nazism is mostly about extreme antisemitism really. They dont believe the Jews to be subhumans but rather to be a different kind of humans, if not to say monsters in human disguise. Like Icke's reptilian theory. I wrote about this in another thread a while ago.

The Nazis viewed history as that of race struggle and believed that the Aryan race needed to win the race war or it would die out. Their plan known as the new order involved taking over much of Africa to settle Aryan settlers, giving the Arabs their own country in the middle east, dividing much of the rest of Asia between the reich and the japanese, inspiring fascist revolutions in the america, killing all the jews and gypsies and killing or enslaving slavs. They really were a strange bunch

[Drongonia]

>inb4 some idiot on this thread says "real communism hasn't been tried yet"

Oh wait, nevermind.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Sorry for my rant everybody. That one got me good.

[Rojava Free State]

>inb4 some idiot on this thread says "real communism hasn't been tried yet"

Oh wait, nevermind.

Them: real communism just hasn't been tried yet

Me: Oh so I should trust you all to get it right this time as opposed to sending us on another holiday in Cambodia

[-Astoria]

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I'm not a mod, but you might want to dial that down a bit.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

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I'm not a mod, but you might want to dial that down a bit.

Yeah, sorry. I'm not usually that angry. I just do not tolerate genocide denial in any way.

[Kingdom Of The UN]

I've come across several threads which are at the peak of misanthropy. Instead, I posit a solution: communism.

Think about it. What is the #1 cause of all the world's current problems? Inequality. What is another? Lack of resources, or rather lack of equal access to those resources. Under a potentially communist direction, we can not only own the means of production but also own the finished product equally.

By ensuring future generations have something to live for, we can no longer pretend that the current system works, or at least just tolerate the current system. We have to act. We have to do something else. And that is why communism will do this exact thing.

judging by your nationstate and how your looks on "equality" are i see communism is working really well for your peoples republic

[Old Tyrannia]

1 nazism is NOT fascism,study history

2 that belief does NOT exist anywhere in nazism,that is just jewish disinformation.however,quotes of rabbis saying openly that we deserve to be their slaves because the abrahamic”god"said so can be found a lot on the internet,just search for them

3 in mainstream history,certainly,both are considered dictatorships,although studying their doctrines by yourself with an open mind will help you see that,in fact,they weren't harmful at all.for nazism,especially,there is a lot of proof that the holocost was a lie,again,search for it
also,see the site i put.it will certainly help you!

1. I think you'll find it is.
   
2. Top tip: you will have a better chance of making a debate last longer if you back up your statements with sources, and not handwaving & asking people to search it up themselves. And also, "that is just jewish disinformation", let's not bring the international Zionist conspiracy here.
   
3. Oh dear, here we go: there's tons of evidence proving that the Holocaust did, in fact, happen, so already that point has been proven false.

"zionist conspiracy",you say?

is it enough for you?

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Dude. Hitler may have said that in public speeches, but actions speak louder than words. And the actions he advocated and ordered were the actions of a murderous, racist tyrant.

[Nakena]

Oh boy that escalated quickly.

>inb4 some idiot on this thread says "real communism hasn't been tried yet"

Oh wait, nevermind.

Them: real communism just hasn't been tried yet

Me: Oh so I should trust you all to get it right this time as opposed to sending us on another holiday in Cambodia

Nah no reason to trust them this time.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Oh and the people you selected to somehow "prove" that the Jewish people were also fanatical about race are...well, individuals. They do not represent the opinion of the entirety of the Jewish collective.

[Kremlinian Russia]

Came from the report, staying for the inevitable Nazi getting banned.