The Thread Formerly Known As Communism Will Save The World

[Takso]

"Real communism hasn't been tried yet."

That's because every time it has been attempted to be tried it turns out to be a total dictatorship, which tends to happen when you take property rights away from people. Everyone posting here is from a capitalist country. That's because the communist countries of today don't want their citizens having access to the open Internet.

Bernie Sanders would say I’m posting from a socialist country

Iceland is one of the freest economies in the world and has a flat tax rate.

[Neko-koku]

Have communist supporters ever lived under communism?

[Takso]

Have communist supporters ever lived under communism?

There might be openings to work as an unpaid labourer with no human rights in North Korea, apply while positions last!

[Neko-koku]

One of my distant relatives got killed by CCP in 1950s.

[Aureumterra]

Bernie Sanders would say I’m posting from a socialist country

Iceland is one of the freest economies in the world and has a flat tax rate.

I wonder if real socialism is something other than a buzzword?

[Nakena]

Iceland is one of the freest economies in the world and has a flat tax rate.

I wonder if real socialism is something other than a buzzword?

Real existing Socialism can still be visited in Laos and Cuba to varying degrees.

[Aureumterra]

I wonder if real socialism is something other than a buzzword?

Real existing Socialism can still be visited in Laos and Cuba to varying degrees.

Laos is on the brink of famine btw

[Munkcestrian Republic]

"Communism will save us!"
-[...] Congo [...]

Go on

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Real existing Socialism can still be visited in Laos and Cuba to varying degrees.

Laos is on the brink of famine btw

Since you've posted this one before it would be neat if you could post some sources as well

[Rezmaeristan]

Broke: Internationalist Communism(Trotskyism, Anarcho-Communism)

Woke:Nationalist Communism(Stalinism, Maoism, Afro-Marxism)

Bespoke:Socialism/Fascism crossovers(Strasserism, Gaddafism, Ba'athism, Xiism)

[Neko-koku]

Real existing Socialism can still be visited in Laos and Cuba to varying degrees.

Laos is on the brink of famine btw

Now?

[-Ocelot-]

The entire thing screams US conservative worldview. Most of these country never had communism to begin with.

North Korea isn't communist. The NK party wants to distance itself from the term "communism", it has fully replaced it with the term Juche and it exercises state capitalism, nationalism and isolationism. They have a completely unique, isolationist system that's heavily reliant on China's help.

Venezuela's economy is mostly privately owned. But it's probably labelled "socialist" nowadays because it's failing and westerner conservatives can use it as a boogeyman. Even FOX news made an article dispelling this myth some time ago: https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-soci ... ez-crusade

State capitalism is not communism. Dictatorships aren't automatically communist, even if they say so. Having a functional state does not make you a communist. Socialism as an economic system is pretty much dead and may never make a real comeback. It's just a boogeyman conservatives use to scare skeptics and centrist into ideological submission.

So you’re saying none of those are real communism?

I don't remember all of the countries mentioned by the user above, but it seems like a random collection of countries Americans dislike. I mean, when did Iran had communism?

[Aureumterra]

"Communism will save us!"
-[...] Congo [...]

Go on

The congos are really an odd bunch. You have a former communist country and a former fascist country bordering each other, both have ended up shitty. This, if anything confirms a moderate or third positions worldview

[Rojava Free State]

The entire thing screams US conservative worldview. Most of these country never had communism to begin with.

North Korea isn't communist. The NK party wants to distance itself from the term "communism", it has fully replaced it with the term Juche and it exercises state capitalism, nationalism and isolationism. They have a completely unique, isolationist system that's heavily reliant on China's help.

Venezuela's economy is mostly privately owned. But it's probably labelled "socialist" nowadays because it's failing and westerner conservatives can use it as a boogeyman. Even FOX news made an article dispelling this myth some time ago: https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-soci ... ez-crusade

State capitalism is not communism. Dictatorships aren't automatically communist, even if they say so. Having a functional state does not make you a communist. Socialism as an economic system is pretty much dead and may never make a real comeback. It's just a boogeyman conservatives use to scare skeptics and centrist into ideological submission.

So you’re saying none of those are real communism?

They really aren't tbh. If you read karl marx's communist manifesto, Marx is calling more for what we refer to today as "anarcho-syndicalism" than modern communism. Marx wanted a stateless society where everyone voluntarily shared and there was no private property

Unfortunately that never is gonna happen, so most states go totalitarian to force wealth redistribution and in many, a sociopathic autocrat can exploit that system for his own personal gain

[Great Algerstonia]

The USSR was the leader in women's rights. Cuba's healthcare is very good due to the communist regime. Education in communist regimes has improved literacy rates. Those are all success stories.

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

Cuba is literally ranked 39 on the WHO rankings for its healthcare system. Like, literally, all these non-communist, capitalist countries:

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates

Have better healthcare systems than Cuba.

Before the fall of the Soviets and the American embargo, Cuba used to have far better healthcare. At one point, Cuban life expectancy was increasing by over eight years per decade. And in 2015, Cuba was the first country to eradicate HIV transmission between mother and child, which is a good accomplishment.

[Great Algerstonia]

So you’re saying none of those are real communism?

They really aren't tbh. If you read karl marx's communist manifesto, Marx is calling more for what we refer to today as "anarcho-syndicalism" than modern communism. Marx wanted a stateless society where everyone voluntarily shared and there was no private property

Unfortunately that never is gonna happen, so most states go totalitarian to force wealth redistribution and in many, a sociopathic autocrat can exploit that system for his own personal gain

The USSR ruined the view of communism, tbh. Everyone is going to associate Soviet communism as actual communism, instead of the communism written in Marx's communist manifesto.

[Aureumterra]

They really aren't tbh. If you read karl marx's communist manifesto, Marx is calling more for what we refer to today as "anarcho-syndicalism" than modern communism. Marx wanted a stateless society where everyone voluntarily shared and there was no private property

Unfortunately that never is gonna happen, so most states go totalitarian to force wealth redistribution and in many, a sociopathic autocrat can exploit that system for his own personal gain

The USSR ruined the view of communism, tbh. Everyone is going to associate Soviet communism as actual communism, instead of the communism written in Marx's communist manifesto.

Not just the USSR, every attempt at communism has spectacularly failed and more often than not resulted in genocide

[Great Algerstonia]

The USSR ruined the view of communism, tbh. Everyone is going to associate Soviet communism as actual communism, instead of the communism written in Marx's communist manifesto.

Not just the USSR, every attempt at communism has spectacularly failed and more often than not resulted in genocide

Yeah communism as it stands in Marx's communist manifesto is very hard, if not impossible, to achieve. I think that communism done correctly would be a good ideology. However, governments attempting to do communism always comes to an absolute shitshow.

[Rojava Free State]

The USSR ruined the view of communism, tbh. Everyone is going to associate Soviet communism as actual communism, instead of the communism written in Marx's communist manifesto.

Not just the USSR, every attempt at communism has spectacularly failed and more often than not resulted in genocide

Every country that ever had a communist revolution ended up becoming a totalitarian nightmare. In the end, marx's idea of communism could only work in a voluntary society such as a small village. A nation state that was just taken over by revolutionaries will never be able to adopt that way of life and autocracy will end up being the solution to millions of people saying "I'm not sharing my money with you"

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Go on

The congos are really an odd bunch. You have a former communist country and a former fascist country bordering each other, both have ended up shitty. This, if anything confirms a moderate or third positions worldview

Oh I just didn't think they were talking about the Republic of the Congo

And no it doesn't.

[Munkcestrian Republic]

The congos are really an odd bunch. You have a former communist country and a former fascist country bordering each other, both have ended up shitty. This, if anything confirms a moderate or third positions worldview

Oh I just didn't think they were talking about the Republic of the Congo

And no it doesn't.

also you still haven't provided a source for your Laos famine claim

[Great Algerstonia]

Not just the USSR, every attempt at communism has spectacularly failed and more often than not resulted in genocide

Every country that ever had a communist revolution ended up becoming a totalitarian nightmare. In the end, marx's idea of communism could only work in a voluntary society such as a small village. A nation state that was just taken over by revolutionaries will never be able to adopt that way of life and autocracy will end up being the solution to millions of people saying "I'm not sharing my money with you"

I think communism would have worked if the communist ideology was put into play in the very beginning.

[Zhivotnoye]

Every country that ever had a communist revolution ended up becoming a totalitarian nightmare. In the end, marx's idea of communism could only work in a voluntary society such as a small village. A nation state that was just taken over by revolutionaries will never be able to adopt that way of life and autocracy will end up being the solution to millions of people saying "I'm not sharing my money with you"

I think communism would have worked if the communist ideology was put into play in the very beginning.

On such a large scale abuse is unavoidable i'm afraid. There's nothing wrong with the ideology, but there's a lot wrong with people.

[Volkish Amerika]

Every country that ever had a communist revolution ended up becoming a totalitarian nightmare. In the end, marx's idea of communism could only work in a voluntary society such as a small village. A nation state that was just taken over by revolutionaries will never be able to adopt that way of life and autocracy will end up being the solution to millions of people saying "I'm not sharing my money with you"

I think communism would have worked if the communist ideology was put into play in the very beginning.

Sure it would have. We also would have a world free of environmental catastrophes, discrimination, societal degradation, and rampant violence. Oh and we also would have colonized every planet in the solar system and be led by the immortal god emperor Lenin and his faithful servant marx.

[Holdac]

Oink oink, communist pig. [insert pig emoji here]

oink oink thats my line oink