The Thread Formerly Known As Communism Will Save The World

[Nova Cyberia]

I have to ask again: has is saved any of the countries where it was instituted?

Soemthing something not real communism something something it'll work the 20th time

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I have to ask again: has is saved any of the countries where it was instituted?

Soemthing something not real communism something something it'll work the 20th time

So no. As expected.

[Duvniask]

I have to ask again: has is saved any of the countries where it was instituted?

Soemthing something not real communism something something it'll work the 20th time

On the contrary, words have meanings.

[Kubra]

by only having underground punk shows that don't fill up anyways

Do you have an answer or not?

I mean, that wasn't an answer?

[Kubra]

I suppose there is more than one solution, but one could be to have people who wish to participate draw lots. In other words, a randomized process where the lucky ones get the seats.

I can of course see an issue, which you may also have noticed. It doesn't account for the fact that some people are willing to spend more money than others because they are bigger fans or have a bigger desire to go, which may drive a change in prices to reflect that. But isn't that by itself also down to luck — that is, whoever happens to have the most money on hand will be the ones to get access? In other words, perhaps the issue here isn't actually new.

I think you are missing a very key difference. Lotteries (when not rigged...which there is precisely zero guarantee of in a communist system) are pure chance.

Money is not pure chance. You may have some portion of your money through chance but it isn't equivocal to a lottery. For one thing, there are obvious ways you can increase your available cash flow (needed for tickets, in this case) that are not dependent on luck. Further, tickets aren't about who "has the most money". If that were the case then tickets would be expensive beyond reason. As it is they are made to be as affordable as possible to maximize sales while still covering overhead and making a profit.

Honestly, that sounds much more fair than some bullshit lottery that the local council leader, czar, first citizen, or whatever other bullshit title you please has probably rigged.

lol but they're expensive beyond reason anyways.
If you ask economists, tickets are underpriced, which is why scalping is so prevalent for shows put on by big acts.

[Feldpeop]

I've come across several threads which are at the peak of misanthropy. Instead, I posit a solution: communism.

Others proposed the same solution and went on to try and implement it, look how that ended up.

Think about it. What is the #1 cause of all the world's current problems? Inequality. What is another? Lack of resources, or rather lack of equal access to those resources. Under a potentially communist direction, we can not only own the means of production but also own the finished product equally.

A lack of prosperity, and education are probably more a cause for conflict than inequality. A country where people are all equally poor is far worse than a country where you can live off of low wages, but there are also those in the same country which learn millions. Other people being wealthy is not the cause of someone being poor.

There are those politicians out there however who know that an impoverished and uneducated population is easier to control and lead. The uneducated person will sooner give up their rights than an uneducated one. Being poor also leads to despair, mixed with that lack of education, that gives way to horrible ideologies to rise up.

Let's take for instance your hatred of people's rights. The right to own your own legally acquired property is undeniable. Those means of production already belong to someone, someone who bought them, with their own money, which in cases of newer businesses is done at the risk of the one that started the business.

Not just is your "taking the means of production" theft, it is also not doable without brutal force and violence.
All tries at communism have ended up with regimes which in no major way differed from fascism. I repeat: communism in practice always end up being what fascism wishes for in theory.

By ensuring future generations have something to live for, we can no longer pretend that the current system works, or at least just tolerate the current system. We have to act. We have to do something else. And that is why communism will do this exact thing.

The current system does work. It already has lifted up countless masses out of poverty. Where the number of people in extreme poverty and those who were not was almost equal a hundred years ago, now 80% or more of the world's population no longer has to suffer from extreme poverty.
Compare that to a system like communism, whose implementation has always lead to mass famines, mass murder, classicide and ethnic cleansing, and the bringing about of the beforehand mentioned fascist-like style of rule.

The only places where the current system, capitalism, "fails", are those places where it is not being implemented, instead being hindered by authoritarian, or totalitarian regimes, or straight up conflict zones.

Instead of trying to implement a failed ideology, which two guys wrote during times which are not comparable to ours, let us instead focus on research, development, and education. Things which will actually make the world a better place.

[Zhivotnoye]

Kinda obvious, i mean, whoever hasn't figured this out yet should really just get himself checked in at a mental hospital.

[Kowani]

I have to ask again: has is saved any of the countries where it was instituted?

Thomas Sankara called.

[Aureumterra]

Kinda obvious, i mean, whoever hasn't figured this out yet should really just get himself checked in at a mental hospital.

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I don’t know now if this is sarcastic or not, but considering the Russian Federation flag, I’ll assume it’s sarcasm

[Nova Cyberia]

Soemthing something not real communism something something it'll work the 20th time

On the contrary, words have meanings.

Indeed. For example: communism is a discredited ideology with no areal success stories. It's not, in any way, a viable alternative to capitalism.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I have to ask again: has is saved any of the countries where it was instituted?

Thomas Sankara called.

From beyond the grave, after being assassinated by his own countrymen with a position such as his abolished. Not much of a success story for Burkina Faso, I'd say. Although I can agree that his thinking was rather revolutionary and progressive and aided his country, for the short amount he was in power (3 years?) However, the country remains in bad shape.

[Nakena]

Kinda obvious, i mean, whoever hasn't figured this out yet should really just get himself checked in at a mental hospital.

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I don’t know now if this is sarcastic or not, but considering the Russian Federation flag, I’ll assume it’s sarcasm

More like anti-american anti-imperialism.

Also it isnt imperialism when Russia does it. Because ya know... ^^

[Great Algerstonia]

On the contrary, words have meanings.

Indeed. For example: communism is a discredited ideology with no areal success stories. It's not, in any way, a viable alternative to capitalism.

The USSR was the leader in women's rights. Cuba's healthcare is very good due to the communist regime. Education in communist regimes has improved literacy rates. Those are all success stories.

[Rojava Free State]

Indeed. For example: communism is a discredited ideology with no areal success stories. It's not, in any way, a viable alternative to capitalism.

The USSR was the leader in women's rights. Cuba's healthcare is very good due to the communist regime. Education in communist regimes has improved literacy rates. Those are all success stories.

And people get sent to "retraining programs" for not agreeing with the government. Also the USSR went broke, cuba is very impoverished and education is nothing more than "obey the state"

[Rojava Free State]

The problem with debating capitalism vs communism is that different people define capitalism in different ways. If by capitalism you mean a free market where people are allowed to buy and sell property and services then I don't think anything is better than that except a small village of ten people who do things for each other for free.

If by capitalism you mean corporations, I'm not as cool with that but still tolerant. And if you mean cronyism, that's gotta stop

[Washingtonae]

"Communism will save us!"
-Russia, Mao's China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Somalia, Congo, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Venezuela

[Great Algerstonia]

The USSR was the leader in women's rights. Cuba's healthcare is very good due to the communist regime. Education in communist regimes has improved literacy rates. Those are all success stories.

And people get sent to "retraining programs" for not agreeing with the government. Also the USSR went broke, cuba is very impoverished and education is nothing more than "obey the state"

I know that. I'm not saying that Communism is a good economic ideology. I'm just noting that communism was successful in a few aspects, and not completely 100% flawed that so many people try to make it seem like.

[Kubra]

I don’t know now if this is sarcastic or not, but considering the Russian Federation flag, I’ll assume it’s sarcasm

More like anti-american anti-imperialism.

Also it isnt imperialism when Russia does it. Because ya know... ^^

there's a certain irony in the post-war state of affairs for the Soviet Union was a perfect mimicry of Imperial Russian foreign policy objectives less than a century before

[Nova Cyberia]

Indeed. For example: communism is a discredited ideology with no areal success stories. It's not, in any way, a viable alternative to capitalism.

The USSR was the leader in women's rights. Cuba's healthcare is very good due to the communist regime. Education in communist regimes has improved literacy rates. Those are all success stories.

The USSR was the leader in no one's rights considering it was totalitarian police state lol

[Brulafi]

Posadism with Chinese characteristics will save the world.

[Empire of Asgadr]

"Communism will save us!"
-Russia, Mao's China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Somalia, Congo, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Venezuela

Iran? Iran never had a communist party rule it

[Great Algerstonia]

"Communism will save us!"
-Russia, Mao's China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Somalia, Congo, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Venezuela

>Communism
>Iran

No

[Dooom35796821595]

The USSR was the leader in women's rights. Cuba's healthcare is very good due to the communist regime. Education in communist regimes has improved literacy rates. Those are all success stories.

The USSR was the leader in no one's rights considering it was totalitarian police state lol

Exactly, all equally unequal under Stalin!

[Brulafi]

"Communism will save us!"
-Russia, Mao's China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Somalia, Congo, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Venezuela

Mosaddegh, the closest thing to an Iranian communist leader, actually was improving the Iranian condition massively before he was offed in a CIA-sponsored coup.

This is a common theme with leftist developing countries. They get good, then they get offed by the CIA.

[Rojava Free State]

"Communism will save us!"
-Russia, Mao's China, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Somalia, Congo, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Venezuela

Mosaddegh, the closest thing to an Iranian communist leader, actually was improving the Iranian condition massively before he was offed in a CIA-sponsored coup.

This is a common theme with leftist developing countries. They get good, then they get offed by the CIA.

Mossadeq wasn't really a communist though although he was indeed anti democratically overthrown by the CIA (America supports democracy in name only)