The Thread Formerly Known As Communism Will Save The World

[Farnhamia]

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[Grinning Dragon]

LOL. No it won't. communism is a cancer. Stifles innovation, gives you things like the Trabant and makes everyone equally miserable.
Fuck communism.

[Kyrinasaj]

LOL. No it won't. communism is a cancer. Stifles innovation, gives you things like the Trabant and makes everyone equally miserable.
Fuck communism.

I really expected this comment in a thread about communism

[Le Slavador]

Weird. I expected somebody else to start this thread.

Where is the USSR?

[The Strangers Club]

Oink oink, communist pig. [insert pig emoji here]

[Empire of Asgadr]

Are we talking actual communism here, or that degenerate shit that was in the USSR etc?

[Lillorainen]

LOL. No it won't. communism is a cancer. Stifles innovation, gives you things like the Trabant and makes everyone equally miserable.
Fuck communism.

Then again, it brought us a green arrow sign allowing you to turn right at red traffic lights. Not everything about the GDR was bad.

(Joking, of course. Most drivers here in the 'Old States' don't know the meaning of it, anyways.)

[Great Robertia]

Communism as practiced and employed by the Soviet Union is not going to work and is corrupt/bad. But the idea of equality and equity is something I do support. Capitalism is the main cause of the troubles we face in present-day society. The drive for profit and greed brings out the worst in people and makes them resort to methods that further income inequality, poverty, war and conflict etc etc. If all businesses were brought under democratic state control, resources, jobs, money and so on could be distributed fairly and equally.

The thing is, when people think Communism they think Soviet Union. But that was a corrupt country and system of government that brought suffering and despair (as the son of parents who lived under a Communist regime, I know what I'm talking about). But the concept of Communism in theory is sound (minus the entire revolution, death to the elite, dictatorship government thing, that's just bad). A system of democratic socialism where the economy is brought under state control would solve so many problems capitalism is causing in modern day society. It would be a much fairer and just system anyway.

[Empire of Asgadr]

Communism as practiced and employed by the Soviet Union is not going to work and is corrupt/bad. But the idea of equality and equity is something I do support. Capitalism is the main cause of the troubles we face in present-day society. The drive for profit and greed brings out the worst in people and makes them resort to methods that further income inequality, poverty, war and conflict etc etc. If all businesses were brought under democratic state control, resources, jobs, money and so on could be distributed fairly and equally.

The thing is, when people think Communism they think Soviet Union. But that was a corrupt country and system of government that brought suffering and despair (as the son of parents who lived under a Communist regime, I know what I'm talking about). But the concept of Communism in theory is sound (minus the entire revolution, death to the elite, dictatorship government thing, that's just bad). A system of democratic socialism where the economy is brought under state control would solve so many problems capitalism is causing in modern day society. It would be a much fairer and just system anyway.

So, State Capitalism like in the USSR

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Are we talking actual communism here, or that degenerate shit that was in the USSR etc?

I think OP means "actual" communism. At least I hope so, as the USSR was a failed attempt at that, to say the least.

[Empire of Asgadr]

Are we talking actual communism here, or that degenerate shit that was in the USSR etc?

I think OP means "actual" communism. At least I hope so, as the USSR was a failed attempt at that, to say the least.

So stateless democratic society where the workers own the means of production? Well at least it wont be China or the Eastern Bloc

[Great Robertia]

Communism as practiced and employed by the Soviet Union is not going to work and is corrupt/bad. But the idea of equality and equity is something I do support. Capitalism is the main cause of the troubles we face in present-day society. The drive for profit and greed brings out the worst in people and makes them resort to methods that further income inequality, poverty, war and conflict etc etc. If all businesses were brought under democratic state control, resources, jobs, money and so on could be distributed fairly and equally.

The thing is, when people think Communism they think Soviet Union. But that was a corrupt country and system of government that brought suffering and despair (as the son of parents who lived under a Communist regime, I know what I'm talking about). But the concept of Communism in theory is sound (minus the entire revolution, death to the elite, dictatorship government thing, that's just bad). A system of democratic socialism where the economy is brought under state control would solve so many problems capitalism is causing in modern day society. It would be a much fairer and just system anyway.

So, State Capitalism like in the USSR

Apparently, you completely failed to read what I had written. The system as practiced by the Soviet Union/USSR was bad and corrupt. I am talking about a different system, a better version, where the economy is brought under democratic state control, in a country that practices true democracy, not a perversion of democracy like the Soviet Union/USSR did.

[Empire of Asgadr]

So, State Capitalism like in the USSR

Apparently, you completely failed to read what I had written. The system as practiced by the Soviet Union/USSR was bad and corrupt. I am talking about a different system, a better version, where the economy is brought under democratic state control, in a country that practices true democracy, not a perversion of democracy like the Soviet Union/USSR did.

A planned state owned economy is State Capitalism no matter how corrupt the government is

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

OP, do you mean Marxist communism, straight from the source? Or do you mean USSR/Chinese style communism? Or Cuban? Or...Cambodian?

Because in either scenario, I struggle to see how communism all on its own will "save" the world.

[Empire of Asgadr]

OP, do you mean Marxist communism, straight from the source? Or do you mean USSR/Chinese style communism? Or Cuban? Or...Cambodian?

Because in either scenario, I struggle to see how communism all on its own will "save" the world.

Khmer Rouge all the way baby

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

OP, do you mean Marxist communism, straight from the source? Or do you mean USSR/Chinese style communism? Or Cuban? Or...Cambodian?

Because in either scenario, I struggle to see how communism all on its own will "save" the world.

Khmer Rouge all the way baby

[Empire of Asgadr]

Khmer Rouge all the way baby

Nothing says progress and saving the world like a bit of genociding of your own people

[Great Robertia]

Apparently, you completely failed to read what I had written. The system as practiced by the Soviet Union/USSR was bad and corrupt. I am talking about a different system, a better version, where the economy is brought under democratic state control, in a country that practices true democracy, not a perversion of democracy like the Soviet Union/USSR did.

A planned state owned economy is State Capitalism no matter how corrupt the government is

State Capitalism implies for-profit endeavors. I think society would benefit from stopping to pursue profits for once. No, what I am talking about is a system where production, economy, industry is under state-control, not to generate profits but to bring benefits to the people, so that goods and services can become available to anyone and resources are distributed evenly and fairly.

[Freaneet]

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[Freaneet]

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[Great Robertia]

OP, do you mean Marxist communism, straight from the source? Or do you mean USSR/Chinese style communism? Or Cuban? Or...Cambodian?

Because in either scenario, I struggle to see how communism all on its own will "save" the world.

Marxist communism. A re-attempt at establishing communism worldwide.

But that system is not going to work. Going through the way of Democratic Socialism is going to be much more worthwhile. It's not about the worker here, it's about everyone. Everyone should be able to get a chance at equality and equity, not just the workers at the expense of the elite.

[Exxosia]

Communism has proven repeatedly that short of some sort of replicator and infinite power technology that makes resource management moot, it can't manage resources well at all.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

A planned state owned economy is State Capitalism no matter how corrupt the government is

State Capitalism implies for-profit endeavors. I think society would benefit from stopping to pursue profits for once. No, what I am talking about is a system where production, economy, industry is under state-control, not to generate profits but to bring benefits to the people, so that goods and services can become available to anyone and resources are distributed evenly and fairly.

That's still state capitalism and as long as the state controls literally everything, including commerce, I struggle to see how it's any better than the USSR.

OP, do you mean Marxist communism, straight from the source? Or do you mean USSR/Chinese style communism? Or Cuban? Or...Cambodian?

Because in either scenario, I struggle to see how communism all on its own will "save" the world.

Marxist communism. A re-attempt at establishing communism worldwide.

Because it went so well the first couple of times.

LOL. No it won't. communism is a cancer. Stifles innovation, gives you things like the Trabant and makes everyone equally miserable.
Fuck communism.

What an ignorant way of looking at things.

I wouldn't have put it quite as crudely but I agree with the general sentiment.

[Empire of Asgadr]

A planned state owned economy is State Capitalism no matter how corrupt the government is

State Capitalism implies for-profit endeavors. I think society would benefit from stopping to pursue profits for once. No, what I am talking about is a system where production, economy, industry is under state-control, not to generate profits but to brings benefits to the people, so that goods and services can become available to anyone and resources are distributed evenly and fairly.

That is still within the realm of State Capitalism. The State becomes the upper class, and in the case for the USSR, the party does as well. The thing with State Capitalism is that it usually placates the class conflict rather than fight it. While a state planned democratic economy sounds nice, I feel like it wouldn't be feasible unless the state is very decentralized and devolves substantial power to local governing bodies. If we talk a planned economy that is planned by and for the people rather than the Bureaucracy then I am semi for your idea

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

Communism has proven repeatedly that short of some sort of replicator and infinite power technology that makes resource management moot, it can't manage resources well at all.

This is painfully true, especially with the Five Year Plans in China. The Great Leap Forward, in particular, was a colossal fuck up.