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The Thread Formerly Known As Communism Will Save The World

Postby Freaneet » Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:28 am

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:18 am

LOL. No it won't. communism is a cancer. Stifles innovation, gives you things like the Trabant and makes everyone equally miserable.
Fuck communism.
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Postby Kyrinasaj » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:21 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:LOL. No it won't. communism is a cancer. Stifles innovation, gives you things like the Trabant and makes everyone equally miserable.
Fuck communism.

I really expected this comment in a thread about communism
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Postby Le Slavador » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:21 am

Weird. I expected somebody else to start this thread.

Where is the USSR?
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Postby The Strangers Club » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:21 am

Oink oink, communist pig. [insert pig emoji here]
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Postby Empire of Asgadr » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:30 am

Are we talking actual communism here, or that degenerate shit that was in the USSR etc?

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Postby Lillorainen » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:35 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:LOL. No it won't. communism is a cancer. Stifles innovation, gives you things like the Trabant and makes everyone equally miserable.
Fuck communism.

Then again, it brought us a green arrow sign allowing you to turn right at red traffic lights. Not everything about the GDR was bad.

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Postby Great Robertia » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:37 am

Communism as practiced and employed by the Soviet Union is not going to work and is corrupt/bad. But the idea of equality and equity is something I do support. Capitalism is the main cause of the troubles we face in present-day society. The drive for profit and greed brings out the worst in people and makes them resort to methods that further income inequality, poverty, war and conflict etc etc. If all businesses were brought under democratic state control, resources, jobs, money and so on could be distributed fairly and equally.

The thing is, when people think Communism they think Soviet Union. But that was a corrupt country and system of government that brought suffering and despair (as the son of parents who lived under a Communist regime, I know what I'm talking about). But the concept of Communism in theory is sound (minus the entire revolution, death to the elite, dictatorship government thing, that's just bad). A system of democratic socialism where the economy is brought under state control would solve so many problems capitalism is causing in modern day society. It would be a much fairer and just system anyway.
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Postby Empire of Asgadr » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:40 am

Great Robertia wrote:Communism as practiced and employed by the Soviet Union is not going to work and is corrupt/bad. But the idea of equality and equity is something I do support. Capitalism is the main cause of the troubles we face in present-day society. The drive for profit and greed brings out the worst in people and makes them resort to methods that further income inequality, poverty, war and conflict etc etc. If all businesses were brought under democratic state control, resources, jobs, money and so on could be distributed fairly and equally.

The thing is, when people think Communism they think Soviet Union. But that was a corrupt country and system of government that brought suffering and despair (as the son of parents who lived under a Communist regime, I know what I'm talking about). But the concept of Communism in theory is sound (minus the entire revolution, death to the elite, dictatorship government thing, that's just bad). A system of democratic socialism where the economy is brought under state control would solve so many problems capitalism is causing in modern day society. It would be a much fairer and just system anyway.


So, State Capitalism like in the USSR

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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:41 am

Empire of Asgadr wrote:Are we talking actual communism here, or that degenerate shit that was in the USSR etc?


I think OP means "actual" communism. At least I hope so, as the USSR was a failed attempt at that, to say the least.
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Postby Empire of Asgadr » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:42 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
Empire of Asgadr wrote:Are we talking actual communism here, or that degenerate shit that was in the USSR etc?


I think OP means "actual" communism. At least I hope so, as the USSR was a failed attempt at that, to say the least.


So stateless democratic society where the workers own the means of production? Well at least it wont be China or the Eastern Bloc

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Postby Great Robertia » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:43 am

Empire of Asgadr wrote:
Great Robertia wrote:Communism as practiced and employed by the Soviet Union is not going to work and is corrupt/bad. But the idea of equality and equity is something I do support. Capitalism is the main cause of the troubles we face in present-day society. The drive for profit and greed brings out the worst in people and makes them resort to methods that further income inequality, poverty, war and conflict etc etc. If all businesses were brought under democratic state control, resources, jobs, money and so on could be distributed fairly and equally.

The thing is, when people think Communism they think Soviet Union. But that was a corrupt country and system of government that brought suffering and despair (as the son of parents who lived under a Communist regime, I know what I'm talking about). But the concept of Communism in theory is sound (minus the entire revolution, death to the elite, dictatorship government thing, that's just bad). A system of democratic socialism where the economy is brought under state control would solve so many problems capitalism is causing in modern day society. It would be a much fairer and just system anyway.


So, State Capitalism like in the USSR


Apparently, you completely failed to read what I had written. The system as practiced by the Soviet Union/USSR was bad and corrupt. I am talking about a different system, a better version, where the economy is brought under democratic state control, in a country that practices true democracy, not a perversion of democracy like the Soviet Union/USSR did.
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Great Robertia wrote:
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So, State Capitalism like in the USSR


Apparently, you completely failed to read what I had written. The system as practiced by the Soviet Union/USSR was bad and corrupt. I am talking about a different system, a better version, where the economy is brought under democratic state control, in a country that practices true democracy, not a perversion of democracy like the Soviet Union/USSR did.


A planned state owned economy is State Capitalism no matter how corrupt the government is

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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:44 am

OP, do you mean Marxist communism, straight from the source? Or do you mean USSR/Chinese style communism? Or Cuban? Or...Cambodian?

Because in either scenario, I struggle to see how communism all on its own will "save" the world.
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Postby Empire of Asgadr » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:45 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:OP, do you mean Marxist communism, straight from the source? Or do you mean USSR/Chinese style communism? Or Cuban? Or...Cambodian?

Because in either scenario, I struggle to see how communism all on its own will "save" the world.


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Empire of Asgadr wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:OP, do you mean Marxist communism, straight from the source? Or do you mean USSR/Chinese style communism? Or Cuban? Or...Cambodian?

Because in either scenario, I struggle to see how communism all on its own will "save" the world.


Khmer Rouge all the way baby


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Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
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Khmer Rouge all the way baby


:eek:


Nothing says progress and saving the world like a bit of genociding of your own people

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Postby Great Robertia » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:48 am

Empire of Asgadr wrote:
Great Robertia wrote:
Apparently, you completely failed to read what I had written. The system as practiced by the Soviet Union/USSR was bad and corrupt. I am talking about a different system, a better version, where the economy is brought under democratic state control, in a country that practices true democracy, not a perversion of democracy like the Soviet Union/USSR did.


A planned state owned economy is State Capitalism no matter how corrupt the government is


State Capitalism implies for-profit endeavors. I think society would benefit from stopping to pursue profits for once. No, what I am talking about is a system where production, economy, industry is under state-control, not to generate profits but to bring benefits to the people, so that goods and services can become available to anyone and resources are distributed evenly and fairly.
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Postby Great Robertia » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:51 am

Freaneet wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:OP, do you mean Marxist communism, straight from the source? Or do you mean USSR/Chinese style communism? Or Cuban? Or...Cambodian?

Because in either scenario, I struggle to see how communism all on its own will "save" the world.


Marxist communism. A re-attempt at establishing communism worldwide.


But that system is not going to work. Going through the way of Democratic Socialism is going to be much more worthwhile. It's not about the worker here, it's about everyone. Everyone should be able to get a chance at equality and equity, not just the workers at the expense of the elite.
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Postby Exxosia » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:51 am

Communism has proven repeatedly that short of some sort of replicator and infinite power technology that makes resource management moot, it can't manage resources well at all.

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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:51 am

Great Robertia wrote:
Empire of Asgadr wrote:
A planned state owned economy is State Capitalism no matter how corrupt the government is


State Capitalism implies for-profit endeavors. I think society would benefit from stopping to pursue profits for once. No, what I am talking about is a system where production, economy, industry is under state-control, not to generate profits but to bring benefits to the people, so that goods and services can become available to anyone and resources are distributed evenly and fairly.


That's still state capitalism and as long as the state controls literally everything, including commerce, I struggle to see how it's any better than the USSR.

Freaneet wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:OP, do you mean Marxist communism, straight from the source? Or do you mean USSR/Chinese style communism? Or Cuban? Or...Cambodian?

Because in either scenario, I struggle to see how communism all on its own will "save" the world.


Marxist communism. A re-attempt at establishing communism worldwide.


Because it went so well the first couple of times. :roll:

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Grinning Dragon wrote:LOL. No it won't. communism is a cancer. Stifles innovation, gives you things like the Trabant and makes everyone equally miserable.
Fuck communism.


What an ignorant way of looking at things.


I wouldn't have put it quite as crudely but I agree with the general sentiment.
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Postby Empire of Asgadr » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:52 am

Great Robertia wrote:
Empire of Asgadr wrote:
A planned state owned economy is State Capitalism no matter how corrupt the government is


State Capitalism implies for-profit endeavors. I think society would benefit from stopping to pursue profits for once. No, what I am talking about is a system where production, economy, industry is under state-control, not to generate profits but to brings benefits to the people, so that goods and services can become available to anyone and resources are distributed evenly and fairly.


That is still within the realm of State Capitalism. The State becomes the upper class, and in the case for the USSR, the party does as well. The thing with State Capitalism is that it usually placates the class conflict rather than fight it. While a state planned democratic economy sounds nice, I feel like it wouldn't be feasible unless the state is very decentralized and devolves substantial power to local governing bodies. If we talk a planned economy that is planned by and for the people rather than the Bureaucracy then I am semi for your idea

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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:55 am

Exxosia wrote:Communism has proven repeatedly that short of some sort of replicator and infinite power technology that makes resource management moot, it can't manage resources well at all.


This is painfully true, especially with the Five Year Plans in China. The Great Leap Forward, in particular, was a colossal fuck up.
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