Hurricane Dorian

[Rojava Free State]

For a storm as violent and destructive, dorian seems like a pretty pathetic and non threatening name. Imagine if we named it "hurricane death" instead

I seriously doubt the "non-threatening" names are the issue. George Carlin even joked that "Wayne LaPierre" sounds like too "fruity" a name for a gun nut. It's almost as if there's no such thing as what a non-threatening name sounds like; as if it's purely subjective.

Those who refuse to evacuate often claim they're sticking around to shoot at looters. I think it's barbaric and should be left in the hands of professionals, but I don't see any evidence that they're really motivated by how non-threatening the name is.

Never said they were. I just think the names are kinda dumb.

[Loben The 2nd]

For a storm as violent and destructive, dorian seems like a pretty pathetic and non threatening name. Imagine if we named it "hurricane death" instead

I seriously doubt the "non-threatening" names are the issue. George Carlin even joked that "Wayne LaPierre" sounds like too "fruity" a name for a gun nut. It's almost as if there's no such thing as what a non-threatening name sounds like; as if it's purely subjective.

Those who refuse to evacuate often claim they're sticking around to shoot at looters. I think it's barbaric and should be left in the hands of professionals, but I don't see any evidence that they're really motivated by how non-threatening the name is.

whats barbaric about defending your property?

[Caleonia]

I seriously doubt the "non-threatening" names are the issue. George Carlin even joked that "Wayne LaPierre" sounds like too "fruity" a name for a gun nut. It's almost as if there's no such thing as what a non-threatening name sounds like; as if it's purely subjective.

Those who refuse to evacuate often claim they're sticking around to shoot at looters. I think it's barbaric and should be left in the hands of professionals, but I don't see any evidence that they're really motivated by how non-threatening the name is.

whats barbaric about defending your property?

It’s the fact that there’s no point in defending destroyed property unless you hold that land dearly to you.

[The Bahamas Islands]

Fire Departments, schools, churches, private clubs and non profit organizations throughout Miami Dade are collecting, food, clothes, medicines, water bottles, can openers and donations $ to help the Bahamian People.

[Purpelia]

They seriously need to start naming these things sensibly.

What's wrong with the current naming system?

I just find it somewhat bemusing and at the same time banal to name massively destructive forces of nature by human names. Like, imagine if we called the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs Jarred.
It just feels off... you know?

[The Bahamas Islands]

This is the best video on the destruction of the Bahamas Islands by Hurricane Dorian I have ever seen, worth to see:

https://www.scoopnest.com/s/Prime%20Min ... t%20Minnis

Fire Departments, schools, churches, private clubs and non profit organizations throughout Miami Dade are collecting, food, clothes, medicines, water bottles, can openers and donations $ to help the Bahamian People.

[Auze]

Hurricane has passed here, power has been restored in this part of SC.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Stay safe everyone, get inland.

[Rojava Free State]

It's gonna hit nova Scotia as a hurricane? Holy shit

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

It's gonna hit nova Scotia as a hurricane? Holy shit

Wouldn't be their first hurricane.

[Ayytaly]

Damn. To think Dorian would've flooded the pro-Trump hotbeds in Kentucky.

[Melondonia]

I live in Nova Scotia. Oh boy.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I live in Nova Scotia. Oh boy.

Id get in land, maybe go to Quebec for a bit.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

Damn. To think Dorian would've flooded the pro-Trump hotbeds in Kentucky.

I happen to have American Republican Friends in Kentucky, so I think about that too.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

relevant

NOAA backs Trump on Alabama hurricane forecast, rebukes Weather Service for accurately contradicting him
The Alabama office’s forecast for Hurricane Dorian turned out to be accurate.
President Trump on Sept. 4 held up a map of Hurricane Dorian featuring an apparent Sharpie-drawn circle to falsely extend its projected path. (Photo: Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)

By Jason Samenow ,
Andrew Freedman and
Matthew Cappucci September 6 at 8:52 PM

The federal agency that oversees the National Weather Service has sided with President Trump over its own scientists in the ongoing controversy over whether Alabama was at risk of a direct hit from Hurricane Dorian.

In a statement released Friday afternoon, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) stated Alabama was in fact threatened by the storm at the time Trump tweeted Alabama would “most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated.”

Referencing archived hurricane advisories, the NOAA statement said that information provided to the president and the public between Aug. 28 and Sept. 2 “demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama."

In an unusual move, the statement also admonished its National Weather Service office in Birmingham, Ala., which had released a tweet contradicting Trump’s claim and stating, “Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian.”

The NOAA statement said: “The Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time."


Released six days after Trump’s first tweet on the matter, the NOAA statement was unsigned, neither from the acting head of the agency nor any particular spokesman. It also came a day after the president’s homeland security and counterterrorism adviser released a statement justifying Trump’s claims of the Alabama threat.

The NOAA statement Friday makes no reference to the fact that when Trump tweeted that Alabama was at risk, it was not in the National Hurricane Center’s “cone of uncertainty,” which is where forecasters determine the storm is most likely to track. Alabama also had not appeared in the cone in days earlier, and no Hurricane Center text product ever mentioned the state.


Trump’s tweet that Alabama would be affected by the storm gained national attention Wednesday when he presented a modified version of the forecast cone from Aug. 29, extended into Alabama — hand-drawn using a Sharpie. The crudely altered map appeared to represent an effort to retroactively justify the original Alabama tweet.


Comparison between the actual "cone of uncertainty" graphic Aug. 29 and the one shown in the White House video on Sept. 4. (NOAA/White House)
The doctored map went viral, becoming a source of ridicule among political pundits and late-night talk show hosts, who accused the president of dishonesty.

[‘Mr. President, you’re going to weather jail’: Trump roasted for altered Hurricane Dorian map]

Altering official government weather forecasts is actually illegal. Per 18 U.S. Code 2074, which addresses false weather reports: “Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both.” (The Weather Service is the modern version of the Weather Bureau.)


In the face of criticism about the modified map, Trump fired off additional tweets Wednesday and Thursday, insisting Alabama was at risk all along, including presenting a map from Aug. 29 depicting a small possibility that Alabama would see tropical-storm-force winds.

Asked on Sept. 4 about a map of Hurricane Dorian that appeared to be altered by a Sharpie, President Trump said he wasn’t aware of it. (The Washington Post)

The map indicated only a 5 percent to 20 percent chance of such conditions in parts of Alabama beginning Monday. However, by the time of Trump’s tweet Sept. 1, those odds were down to a 5 percent chance of tropical storm conditions in a sliver of extreme southeastern Alabama.

Ten days ago, computer model predictions did present a scenario in which Dorian would strike Florida, enter the Gulf of Mexico and potentially affect Alabama. However, by Aug. 29, when the president was briefed by acting NOAA administrator Neil Jacobs, that scenario had become highly unlikely. By Sunday morning, when Trump tweeted about the Alabama threat, no credible computer model showed any risk to the state.


The Weather Service’s mission is to protect life and property. By releasing the statement admonishing the agency for an accurate forecast, NOAA may be seen as putting politics before facts. This could undermine forecasters’ ability to carry out their mission to the point where people may come to see its weather forecasts as political and untrustworthy.

Many meteorologists, recognizing Alabama was at no risk, expressed their ire on Twitter, stating Trump should have instead focused on communicating Dorian’s hazards to the Southeast coast and dispensed with his preoccupation with Alabama.

James Franklin, the former chief of a prediction unit at the National Hurricane Center, expressed support for the Birmingham Weather Service office that NOAA admonished.

“I thought Birmingham’s statement Sunday morning that Alabama would see no impacts from Dorian was spot-on and an appropriate response to the President’s misleading tweet that morning,” he wrote in an email. The Hurricane Center’s "wind-speed-probability product serves as guidance to forecasters, and it showed only a very small likelihood of tropical-storm-force winds in the state, and essentially zero chance of hurricane-force winds.”

He stated: “I am very surprised that NOAA’s statement today seems to not recognize the value its forecasters add every day to NWS products and services.”

Dan Sobien, president of the NWS Employees Union, stated in a tweet Friday evening that “The hard-working employees of the NWS had nothing to do with the utterly disgusting and disingenuous tweet sent out by NOAA management tonight.”



James Spann
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@spann
The tweet from NWS Birmingham was spot on and accurate. If they are coming after them, they might as well come after me. How in the world has it come to this? https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/1170087457444061186 …

Ryan Maue
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@RyanMaue
Whoa! Nothing like throwing your "Alabama" NWS office under the bus.

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[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

relevant

NOAA backs Trump on Alabama hurricane forecast, rebukes Weather Service for accurately contradicting him
The Alabama office’s forecast for Hurricane Dorian turned out to be accurate.
President Trump on Sept. 4 held up a map of Hurricane Dorian featuring an apparent Sharpie-drawn circle to falsely extend its projected path. (Photo: Bill O'Leary/The Washington Post)

By Jason Samenow ,
Andrew Freedman and
Matthew Cappucci September 6 at 8:52 PM

The federal agency that oversees the National Weather Service has sided with President Trump over its own scientists in the ongoing controversy over whether Alabama was at risk of a direct hit from Hurricane Dorian.

In a statement released Friday afternoon, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) stated Alabama was in fact threatened by the storm at the time Trump tweeted Alabama would “most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated.”

Referencing archived hurricane advisories, the NOAA statement said that information provided to the president and the public between Aug. 28 and Sept. 2 “demonstrated that tropical-storm-force winds from Hurricane Dorian could impact Alabama."

In an unusual move, the statement also admonished its National Weather Service office in Birmingham, Ala., which had released a tweet contradicting Trump’s claim and stating, “Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian.”

The NOAA statement said: “The Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time."


Released six days after Trump’s first tweet on the matter, the NOAA statement was unsigned, neither from the acting head of the agency nor any particular spokesman. It also came a day after the president’s homeland security and counterterrorism adviser released a statement justifying Trump’s claims of the Alabama threat.

The NOAA statement Friday makes no reference to the fact that when Trump tweeted that Alabama was at risk, it was not in the National Hurricane Center’s “cone of uncertainty,” which is where forecasters determine the storm is most likely to track. Alabama also had not appeared in the cone in days earlier, and no Hurricane Center text product ever mentioned the state.


Trump’s tweet that Alabama would be affected by the storm gained national attention Wednesday when he presented a modified version of the forecast cone from Aug. 29, extended into Alabama — hand-drawn using a Sharpie. The crudely altered map appeared to represent an effort to retroactively justify the original Alabama tweet.


Comparison between the actual "cone of uncertainty" graphic Aug. 29 and the one shown in the White House video on Sept. 4. (NOAA/White House)
The doctored map went viral, becoming a source of ridicule among political pundits and late-night talk show hosts, who accused the president of dishonesty.

[‘Mr. President, you’re going to weather jail’: Trump roasted for altered Hurricane Dorian map]

Altering official government weather forecasts is actually illegal. Per 18 U.S. Code 2074, which addresses false weather reports: “Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both.” (The Weather Service is the modern version of the Weather Bureau.)


In the face of criticism about the modified map, Trump fired off additional tweets Wednesday and Thursday, insisting Alabama was at risk all along, including presenting a map from Aug. 29 depicting a small possibility that Alabama would see tropical-storm-force winds.

Asked on Sept. 4 about a map of Hurricane Dorian that appeared to be altered by a Sharpie, President Trump said he wasn’t aware of it. (The Washington Post)

The map indicated only a 5 percent to 20 percent chance of such conditions in parts of Alabama beginning Monday. However, by the time of Trump’s tweet Sept. 1, those odds were down to a 5 percent chance of tropical storm conditions in a sliver of extreme southeastern Alabama.

Ten days ago, computer model predictions did present a scenario in which Dorian would strike Florida, enter the Gulf of Mexico and potentially affect Alabama. However, by Aug. 29, when the president was briefed by acting NOAA administrator Neil Jacobs, that scenario had become highly unlikely. By Sunday morning, when Trump tweeted about the Alabama threat, no credible computer model showed any risk to the state.


The Weather Service’s mission is to protect life and property. By releasing the statement admonishing the agency for an accurate forecast, NOAA may be seen as putting politics before facts. This could undermine forecasters’ ability to carry out their mission to the point where people may come to see its weather forecasts as political and untrustworthy.

Many meteorologists, recognizing Alabama was at no risk, expressed their ire on Twitter, stating Trump should have instead focused on communicating Dorian’s hazards to the Southeast coast and dispensed with his preoccupation with Alabama.

James Franklin, the former chief of a prediction unit at the National Hurricane Center, expressed support for the Birmingham Weather Service office that NOAA admonished.

“I thought Birmingham’s statement Sunday morning that Alabama would see no impacts from Dorian was spot-on and an appropriate response to the President’s misleading tweet that morning,” he wrote in an email. The Hurricane Center’s "wind-speed-probability product serves as guidance to forecasters, and it showed only a very small likelihood of tropical-storm-force winds in the state, and essentially zero chance of hurricane-force winds.”

He stated: “I am very surprised that NOAA’s statement today seems to not recognize the value its forecasters add every day to NWS products and services.”

Dan Sobien, president of the NWS Employees Union, stated in a tweet Friday evening that “The hard-working employees of the NWS had nothing to do with the utterly disgusting and disingenuous tweet sent out by NOAA management tonight.”



James Spann
✔
@spann
The tweet from NWS Birmingham was spot on and accurate. If they are coming after them, they might as well come after me. How in the world has it come to this? https://twitter.com/RyanMaue/status/1170087457444061186 …

Ryan Maue
✔
@RyanMaue
Whoa! Nothing like throwing your "Alabama" NWS office under the bus.

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I do recall seeing a refence too Alabama was in danger of Hurricane Dorian.

[Galloism]

I do recall seeing a refence too Alabama was in danger of Hurricane Dorian.

Not really no. Not for four days before the president’s statement.

Four days prior to the president’s statement, there was a relatively small chance it could enter the gulf and affect Alabama.

That had been precluded by the time he had made the statement.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

https://twitter.com/Pat_wx/status/1170422039481597952

https://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/ns-19_metric_e.html

Environment Canada saying it's 14km/h gusting to 30 km/h; Pat Duplessis recording wind gusts much stronger than that. Is it more likely for EC to be in error or Pat Duplessis to record a hoax video?

[Fartsniffage]

Apparently HMS Protector is loading supplies in Bermuda to ship to the Bahamas. Which raises the question, what the hell is an ice breaker doing in the Caribbean?

[Audioslavia]

Damn. To think Dorian would've flooded the pro-Trump hotbeds in Kentucky.

If you're going to post, please do better than 'wishing lots of people would die'. We regard it as a form of trolling

[Neanderthaland]

Apparently HMS Protector is loading supplies in Bermuda to ship to the Bahamas. Which raises the question, what the hell is an ice breaker doing in the Caribbean?

Crushing ice for Mint Juleps.

[Vassenor]

Apparently HMS Protector is loading supplies in Bermuda to ship to the Bahamas. Which raises the question, what the hell is an ice breaker doing in the Caribbean?

She'd returned to the UK in April and was on her way back to the Antarctic patrol station.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Apparently HMS Protector is loading supplies in Bermuda to ship to the Bahamas. Which raises the question, what the hell is an ice breaker doing in the Caribbean?

Stocking up on ganja. Those long polar nights ice breaking need it.

[Molonia]

I got lucky in western NC. The storm here in Grover wasn't too nasty.

As for the goings-on in the Bahamas, it's great to see that the multiple cruise ship companies who visit Bahamas are contributing to the recovery.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

We shall always remember Trump's stupid prediction of it hitting Alabama.