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Postby Nakena » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:03 am

Antityranicals wrote:
Ifreann wrote:God isn't real.

Like hell he isn't... How does anything exist without an uncaused cause? Atheism is literally absurd, because it imagines existence without cause.


How about Satanism then? ;^)

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Postby Antityranicals » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:06 am

Nakena wrote:
Antityranicals wrote:Like hell he isn't... How does anything exist without an uncaused cause? Atheism is literally absurd, because it imagines existence without cause.


How about Satanism then? ;^)

Less absurd, but still flawed. How does worshiping Satan help anything, if God is still greater than Satan, as he must be. Otherwise, God could not have created Satan.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:07 am

Antityranicals wrote:
Ifreann wrote:God isn't real.

Like hell he isn't... How does anything exist without an uncaused cause? Atheism is literally absurd, because it imagines existence without cause.

I would be more than happy to talk about that in the atheism thread you seemingly abandoned

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Postby Nakena » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:09 am

Antityranicals wrote:
Nakena wrote:
How about Satanism then? ;^)

Less absurd, but still flawed. How does worshiping Satan help anything, if God is still greater than Satan, as he must be. Otherwise, God could not have created Satan.


Because, metaphorically speaking, Satanism is an expression of our promethean and evolutionary drive and urge within us, to awaken and realize our potential to the fullest.

Which is really all we can do, or die trying, and hence the reason why we should not give up as a species.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:10 am

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Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.


We are fallen creatures in a Vale of Tears, things will always be fleeting and wretched.

But we are stewards of the earth, and it is not yet time for us to go. We’ve done a lot of bad and terrible things but humans are also capable of immense kindness, intelligence and creativity. There’s a lot to live for, to enjoy and to do.


If the Good Lord made us stewards of the earth, it would be our job to show LOTS I mean LOTs of care to it And not harvest it for a profit without any thought to the consequences.

But hey, money makes the world go round. And filthy green/poly paper > treasures in our hearts.

That is our job, and we have failed in that end.
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Postby The Greater Union of Man » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:11 am

Start with yourself, let the rest of us continue life because we have a purpose

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Postby Gannitron » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:12 am

The Greater Union of Man wrote:Start with yourself, let the rest of us continue life because we have a purpose

To?

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:18 am

Antityranicals wrote:
Ifreann wrote:God isn't real.

Like hell he isn't... How does anything exist without an uncaused cause? Atheism is literally absurd, because it imagines existence without cause.

I always enjoy when people who clearly believe in a very specific deity talk about some vague "uncaused cause". It reminds me of Creationists, acting like if they can poke a hole in evolution(and not ever really doing so) then their belief is proven true.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:20 am

Antityranicals wrote:
Ifreann wrote:God isn't real.

Like hell he isn't... How does anything exist without an uncaused cause? Atheism is literally absurd, because it imagines existence without cause.

The belief in an uncaused God is just this with extra steps.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:20 am

Neo Puppetopia wrote:(Image)

Knocked back a jar of black pills some time ago tbh
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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:21 am

you can give up but I see humanity as an absolute win
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Postby -Ocelot- » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:21 am

Antityranicals wrote:
Ifreann wrote:God isn't real.

Like hell he isn't... How does anything exist without an uncaused cause? Atheism is literally absurd, because it imagines existence without cause.


The cause doesn't have to be a sentient, omnipresent bearded sky man. Most things in our world are caused by non-sentient processes but we never question them.

Just because we don't know why the "big-bang" happened (yet), doesn't mean it was sky daddy who did it. And isn't it a bit suspicious how sky man happens to be here for us and looks like us, too? The observable universe alone makes the Earth seem nearly nonexistent. Doesn't that ring a bell?

Humanity has traveled the earth, the seas and space. God was nowhere to be found.

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Postby Nouveau Quebecois » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:22 am

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Antityranicals wrote:Humans were given Earth by God to use it for God's work, namely, improving the lives of everyone on it. Capitalism has very much succeeded in this, and I have no qualms about being anthropocentric. In the future, we will hopefully learn that governments do nothing but prevent the forwarding of this great mission, and violations of human rights will at very least no longer be done in the name of "society".

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Postby Neo Puppetopia » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:26 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Neo Puppetopia wrote:(Image)

Knocked back a jar of black pills some time ago tbh

Some days you take half the black pill and half the white. It's always gonna come down to a conscious choice of individual having to chose to be Happy.

I myself sometimes debate if the system is jacked up. I mean it is but some parts are good. Even though for the most part it's designed to make you a coffee in the wheel. That's probably why more and more people are choosing to live free.

Nevertheless, we have to be the very architects that set the blue prints for our own lives. One can only hope that humanity as a whole, gets it right eventually.

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Postby Gannitron » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:28 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Gannitron wrote:
If the Good Lord made us stewards of the earth, it would be our job to show LOTS I mean LOTs of care to it And not harvest it for a profit without any thought to the consequences.

But hey, money makes the world go round. And filthy green/poly paper > treasures in our hearts.

That is our job, and we have failed in that end.


But we refused to learn from our failure. But don't worry, when the tides flood Manhattan and crops die out from a lack of water in certain places, we will learn. And in that time, it will be too late to do even aradical change on our part.. Acutally let me rephrase that second to last part, by learn, I mean learn the hard and irreversible way.

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Postby Thepeopl » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:30 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:I mean, you have to admit, we've ran our course. Whilst we have done a lot of good, we've done (and still do) a lot of bad:

1. Authoritarian ideologies
2. Environmental destruction
3. Murder
4. Rape
5. Fucking with people's livelihoods

Isn't it about time we just said, "screw it", and cease to exist?

Or....not?

What can we do to live on as a people, to reduce the awful stuff we do? Is there even anything that can be done?

We can start by sharing heartfelt compliments with strangers, your neighbourhood, your colleague, your janitor. Do say: you did a great job, this garden looks neats/ blooming. Say to your 80 year old neighbour : this colour really suits you.
By complimenting others, you brighten up their day. And as a consequence forces you to look at positive things to compliment about.

Smile.

Feel the community of your social circle. Do things together (cooking, strolling, cleaning a park or your neighbourhood/ building)

Plant a garden, smell the flowers. ( if you can, do it on the roof, it will help with keeping your building cool in summer and warm in winter.)

Start buying locally, eat less meat. Do yoga.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:39 am

Neo Puppetopia wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Knocked back a jar of black pills some time ago tbh

Some days you take half the black pill and half the white. It's always gonna come down to a conscious choice of individual having to chose to be Happy.

I myself sometimes debate if the system is jacked up. I mean it is but some parts are good. Even though for the most part it's designed to make you a coffee in the wheel. That's probably why more and more people are choosing to live free.

Nevertheless, we have to be the very architects that set the blue prints for our own lives. One can only hope that humanity as a whole, gets it right eventually.

We’ll never get it ‘right’. A utopia can never be reached. Utopia literally means ‘no’ ‘place’.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:40 am

Nah. Humanity is pretty cool, when you get down to it. We go into environments we can’t possibly thrive in, up to and including fuckin space, and thrive (or make plans to thrive, at least) anyway. Why? Because we don’t like the idea that we can be limited by such things as nature. To that end we learn as much as we can about the laws of nature just so we can bend them or find ways around them.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:43 am

The Greater Union of Man wrote:Start with yourself, let the rest of us continue life because we have a purpose

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:49 am

Antityranicals wrote:
Ifreann wrote:God isn't real.

Like hell he isn't... How does anything exist without an uncaused cause? Atheism is literally absurd, because it imagines existence without cause.

Evolution is a process that exists without a purpose or end goal in mind and without creation by anything specific. So is gravity and a Newton's cradle.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:56 am

No. Simply giving up is the ultimate show of cowardice. If you don't like something do whatever you can to change it.
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Postby Neo Puppetopia » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:57 am

Greater Loegria wrote:
Neo Puppetopia wrote: Some days you take half the black pill and half the white. It's always gonna come down to a conscious choice of individual having to chose to be Happy.

I myself sometimes debate if the system is jacked up. I mean it is but some parts are good. Even though for the most part it's designed to make you a coffee in the wheel. That's probably why more and more people are choosing to live free.

Nevertheless, we have to be the very architects that set the blue prints for our own lives. One can only hope that humanity as a whole, gets it right eventually.

We’ll never get it ‘right’. A utopia can never be reached. Utopia literally means ‘no’ ‘place’.


I wouldn't say I hold out hope for a one world Utopia. I'm pretty much just trying to make sure my life is set up in a way I want to live it. Either way, I think humanity should wake up and realize that we need to make the best as we possibly can. Sadly, there are so many things that will stop us from unifying. But again man I'm not sad or depressed about it. It is what it is. I took the red pill I can't go back. No I have to take the white pill :lol:

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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:57 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:No. Simply giving up is the ultimate show of cowardice. If you don't like something do whatever you can to change it.

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Postby Caleonia » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:59 am

Cekoviu wrote:
Antityranicals wrote:Like hell he isn't... How does anything exist without an uncaused cause? Atheism is literally absurd, because it imagines existence without cause.

Evolution is a process that exists without a purpose or end goal in mind and without creation by anything specific. So is gravity and a Newton's cradle.


Almost all of nature is without purpose. We just like to attach “purposes” and “end goals” to things to make them seem justifiable (i.e. religion) to let those things take a deep dive into our thoughts, even when they are already perfectly fine as they are.

Add-on: However, everything created by humanity as a whole is attached to this whole idea of a purpose. That’s what we live off of. Money? Well, its purpose is a middleman for buying and selling, since direct trading doesn’t always work if one of the traders has nothing the other trader wants. The nature we bring into the sphere of society also has a purpose too, like your dog or cat or whatever you own. Their purpose in society is to give their owner(s) companionship and compassion. Our purpose in society is to build the world we desire; however, due to everyone having conflicting ideals and desires, our purpose is, in its greatest simplicity, to make sure everyone and everything around us is sufficiently happy with the world they live in.

Everyone could use a dose of white pills.
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