Japan and racial homogeneity

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

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Does any NGO keep demographic information about the ethnic groups in Japan? I know the government doesn't.

Wiki seems to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Japan

[New haven america]

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Does any NGO keep demographic information about the ethnic groups in Japan? I know the government doesn't.

Are mods allowed to lock threads they participate in? I know they're not allowed to rule, but locking seems iffy...

Nationality/immigration demographics? Yes. Ethnicity demographics? Not really, no.

[NERVUN]

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Does any NGO keep demographic information about the ethnic groups in Japan? I know the government doesn't.

Alright, it was 7!

AFAIK, not really. It's a bit of a problem actually simply because since the government doesn't bother with it, it makes it extremely difficult for said groups to try and get recognition.

[Cappuccina]

Wow, way to ignore that the ones who did either lived out in exile/hiding or got caught and sent to the Nuremberg Trials.

Defend this all you'd like NERV, doesn't change the fact that Japan got away with war crimes basically scot free.

They still even romanticize some of those war criminals as well.

From their POV they weren't war criminals, they were fighting for the survival of the Empire.

[NERVUN]

They still even romanticize some of those war criminals as well.

From their POV they weren't war criminals, they were fighting for the survival of the Empire.

I just SAID stop the threadjack.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

That was more than five minutes.

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Does any NGO keep demographic information about the ethnic groups in Japan? I know the government doesn't.

Wiki seems to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Japan

With percentages like that, no wonder why ethnonationalists love it. Assuming they're accurate of course.

[Cappuccina]

From their POV they weren't war criminals, they were fighting for the survival of the Empire.

I just SAID stop the threadjack.

Well excuse me, I didn't see that post. No need to get your panties in a bunch over it.

[Aureumterra]

How does that matter?

In what sense? Homogeneity does not significantly boost economic production lol.

No, you saying all Nordic countries are prosperous and that all NE Asian countries are prosperous. I can name large swaths of both places not as prosperous

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Wiki seems to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Japan

With percentages like that, no wonder why ethnonationalists love it. Assuming they're accurate of course.

Apparently Japan doesn’t release percentages in that regard, but with a population purported to be 98.5% of Japanese peoples, I catch your drift.

[New haven america]

Wiki seems to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Japan

With percentages like that, no wonder why ethnonationalists love it. Assuming they're accurate of course.

The problem is is that ethnonationalists don't understand that Japan isn't a homogenous country.

The Ainu and Ryukyan are usually pretty different from the majority Yamato, but because all 3 are considered "Japanese" then they view is as total homogeny. Which is funny, because both the Ainu and Ryukyan hate the Yamato.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

That was more than five minutes.

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Does any NGO keep demographic information about the ethnic groups in Japan? I know the government doesn't.

Alright, it was 7!

AFAIK, not really. It's a bit of a problem actually simply because since the government doesn't bother with it, it makes it extremely difficult for said groups to try and get recognition.

In my opinion, they should start.

With percentages like that, no wonder why ethnonationalists love it. Assuming they're accurate of course.

The problem is is that ethnonationalists don't understand that Japan is a homogenous country.

The Ainu and Ryukyan are usually pretty different from the majority Yamato, but because all 3 are considered "Japanese" then they view is as total homogeny. Which is funny, because both the Ainu and Ryukyan hate the Yamato.

Let ethnonationalists dream I guess.

[NERVUN]

With percentages like that, no wonder why ethnonationalists love it. Assuming they're accurate of course.

Apparently Japan doesn’t release percentages in that regard, but with a population purported to be 98.5% of Japanese peoples, I catch your drift.

That's the problem, Nana. That number is false based on the notion of if you're not a foreign resident, you MUST be Japanese. So the 98.5% is the population minus the foreign resident population. But that doesn't exactly work.

For example, on paper, my school of 600 people (give or take) is 99.9% pure Japanese with the .01 being me.

The reality is that I know of about 20 or so kids (And there's probably more) who can claim at least one close family member who is not Japanese. But because said child has Japanese citizenship, they are counted Japanese.

[Diarcesia]

This is more directed for NERVUN: What do ou think of this statement from the film Emperor? It has intrigued me deeply.

General Kajima : There are two Japanese words you should know. Tatemae, the way things appear. Honne, the way things really are. When you look at Japan, you see the most modern and westernised of Asian countries, but that is tatemae, the surface.

General Bonner Fellers : And honne?

General Kajima : It is the true heartbeat of my country, which is more than 2000 years old, it has nothing to do with the west. Japan runs on the ancient warrior code of loyalty and obedience.

Given what I know so far, racial homogeneity is definitely not the big reason for Japan's economic success. Instead it's the ability to adapt (tatemae) throughout time while keeping the core of what it means to be Japanese (honne). From my perspective, I acknowledge that it will be harder for a non-ethnic Japanese to be considered as "one of them", but it's still a realistic possibility.

On the other hand, what the white supremacists advocate is that your genes/skin color can pose an automatic impossibility from integrating to their society. Bonus points for the "all your base are belong to us" attitude of a subset of them.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I thought it was China that was like that? Japan tolerates a lot of ideas that the west would not. (Schoolgirl hentai, for instance, is outlawed in much of Europe but not in Japan. America only allows it because of freedom of speech.)

*sighs* Japan's idea of what to tolerate is simply different from your idea of what to tolerate. That doesn't mean it's particularly more tolerant.

Then what sorts of thing does the west tolerate that Japan does not?

[Cekoviu]

*sighs* Japan's idea of what to tolerate is simply different from your idea of what to tolerate. That doesn't mean it's particularly more tolerant.

Then what sorts of thing does the west tolerate that Japan does not?

Littering

[Infected Mushroom]

When you think of Japan, what comes to mind? The better automobiles? The efficient public transit? The colourful lights of Tokyo? The anime and manga?

Japan is a success story, a pinnacle of innovation and prosperity, and yet, a common criticism is its stance on race. Of all the examples cited of "Asia for Asians, white countries for everyone" it's arguably the one white people most badly wanted to go to in the first place. (Not that rejecting people pre-emptively before they even apply to immigrate was any less exclusionary.) It's notoriously averse to immigration, despite its aging population, as if they're holding onto some goal of racial homogeneity.

And yet, I cannot help wondering... what if the latter is the reason for those successes in the first place?

Regardless of any positive stereotypes about the Japanese or even Asians as a whole, another factor is the supposed value of racial homogeneity in the first place. It's human nature to side with one's own kind. It's plainly obvious from the conflicts between different races throughout history. It's no longer on that scale anymore, but is it possible that a smaller-scale version of that might be undermining the trust that clearly benefits co-operation? I wouldn't be surprised. If so, that is in turn useful to have in anything done more effectively as teams than as individuals...

Japan is a great nation. One of the world's greatest civilizations.

I traveled there and I don't know what they do with the food but its 1000% superior to anything you can find in Hong Kong and even Taiwan.

Tokyo, Kyoto, and Osaka were all very fun.

The nation is so clean and efficient and the people are intelligent and polite.

I like Japan's influence on the world with anime and they make the very best fruit gum candy.

[Okoate]

japan is japan i cant defend their shit anymore they are pretty xenophobic and as a man of color who has stayed there for a month on an exchange trip. i remember one time I had arrived at the Tokyo airport after my plane ride and i spoke to security guard at the airport and i was told by him not to ruin their country like our people(blacks) do.

[Cekoviu]

When you think of Japan, what comes to mind? The better automobiles? The efficient public transit? The colourful lights of Tokyo? The anime and manga?

Japan is a success story, a pinnacle of innovation and prosperity, and yet, a common criticism is its stance on race. Of all the examples cited of "Asia for Asians, white countries for everyone" it's arguably the one white people most badly wanted to go to in the first place. (Not that rejecting people pre-emptively before they even apply to immigrate was any less exclusionary.) It's notoriously averse to immigration, despite its aging population, as if they're holding onto some goal of racial homogeneity.

And yet, I cannot help wondering... what if the latter is the reason for those successes in the first place?

Regardless of any positive stereotypes about the Japanese or even Asians as a whole, another factor is the supposed value of racial homogeneity in the first place. It's human nature to side with one's own kind. It's plainly obvious from the conflicts between different races throughout history. It's no longer on that scale anymore, but is it possible that a smaller-scale version of that might be undermining the trust that clearly benefits co-operation? I wouldn't be surprised. If so, that is in turn useful to have in anything done more effectively as teams than as individuals...

Japan is a great nation. One of the world's greatest civilizations.

I traveled there and I don't know what they do with the food but its 1000% superior to anything you can find in Hong Kong and even Taiwan.

Tokyo, Kyoto, and Osaka were all very fun.

The nation is so clean and efficient and the people are intelligent and polite.

I like Japan's influence on the world with anime and they make the very best fruit gum candy.

>discussing gummies but not even mentioning the wonderful world of Calpis
How dare you?

[Tupolite]

troublesome minority demographics

"minorities are troublesome" or "specific minorities that are troublesome"?

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This is fostered by those predominant aspects of modern Japanese society which are just raw, unbridled materialism.

huh, your post had something right.

Ethnic minorities in general are troublesome when they fail to accept that the responsibility lies upon their shoulders to endear themselves to the people through whose hospitality they have been permitted to exist within their lands, instead of having the responsibility lie upon the ethnic nucleus of a nation to be considerate toward the foreign ways, mores, and manner of dress of the minorities. Of course, I would be dishonest not to indicate that in America there are certain ethnic groups which are far greater trouble than others, which is reflected in the breakdown of civic order and standards of public hygiene in the areas where they congregate (blacks and Hispanics), but virtually all minority ethnic groups, even those widely seen as "good" (East and South Asians), refuse to assimilate completely and hold not a shred of gratitude for their massively improved lot under the mercies of the white population. I guess what I mean is that they fail to realize is that the land was not theirs initially and the resources belonging to it also were not theirs initially. Regardless of whether their fortunes are high or low, they ignore that the right to even make a fortune came from the beneficence of the national community sitting on all the resources upon which that fortune was predicated. The only right by which a foreigner should be able to immigrate is if they really do make the effort to assimilate the culture and beg for their own acceptance with tears in their eyes. If they make problems, well then... Their right to exist on their own terms can be revoked.

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I find that even those who disagree with me see at least some of the merit in what I say.

[Hatsunia]

What concerns me about Japan is not race. It’s the mental health of its population and the little regard the society there has for people who don’t fit an established and rigid mold.

I thought it was China that was like that? Japan tolerates a lot of ideas that the west would not. (Schoolgirl hentai, for instance, is outlawed in much of Europe but not in Japan. America only allows it because of freedom of speech.)

Nope, Japanese society is this way. Especially regarding individuality.

If only Japanese society had more tolerance for individualism...

because Hatsunia does exactly that

[Infected Mushroom]

Japan is a great nation. One of the world's greatest civilizations.

I traveled there and I don't know what they do with the food but its 1000% superior to anything you can find in Hong Kong and even Taiwan.

Tokyo, Kyoto, and Osaka were all very fun.

The nation is so clean and efficient and the people are intelligent and polite.

I like Japan's influence on the world with anime and they make the very best fruit gum candy.

>discussing gummies but not even mentioning the wonderful world of Calpis
How dare you?

Unfortunately not a fan...

However: Sushi, octopus balls, mocha ice cream with cinnamon, fried pork with rice, ramen, Japanese BBQ, udon, fried tofu?

Sign me up

[Tupolite]

All the South Slavic lands should be Italian territory

A great way to start another major war.

In addition to restoring those lands to Italy which belong to it by historical right through primary cultural descent from the Roman Empire, it would be to the benefit of those constantly feuding Slavic barbarians to have the yoke of a superior Latinate civilization foisted upon them through a combination of uplift and repression. Imagine, in 4 generations, there would be no Slav left. Through settlement and forced assimilation, they would all have been made second children of the Italian motherland. What a beautiful vision. Of course, Italy needs to boost those birth rates (and here I thought we were speaking about Japan!)

[Arumdaum]

With percentages like that, no wonder why ethnonationalists love it. Assuming they're accurate of course.

Apparently Japan doesn’t release percentages in that regard, but with a population purported to be 98.5% of Japanese peoples, I catch your drift.

It's a shaky 98.5% which is based solely upon citizenship. For example, Japan has a significant Korean minority population who've been there for generations, but those who naturalize as Japanese citizens are counted as simply Japanese, and any children born between a Korean and a Japanese citizen (including naturalized Zainichi Korean) will mean that the kid will be counted as just Japanese.

Basing number solely off of citizenship is political. It assumes that Japan is a homogeneous nation and that only ethnic Japanese are citizens, and also ignores the fact that there are significant minorities such as Okinawans and Ainu who are part of Japan due to Japanese colonialism.

[Arumdaum]

Then what sorts of thing does the west tolerate that Japan does not?

Littering

lmao true

[Arumdaum]

Japan doesn't have to be 100% perfectly homogenous, the point is- that it is the one country in the world that is close enough to that standard for it to be praiseworthy. Japan has all the right anti-immigration policies and I love it. Japan has a way of keeping Japan Japanese. They must not lose sight of this and make the mistakes that countries such as Canada and Australia have made in becoming diverse.

I agree send all the white folk back to Europe so Canada and Australia can have its homogeneity back

Also at least 3 native ethnicities in Japan plus some early migrant groups in addition to new immigrants.

Plus it ignores Japans relatively high Suicide rate

I don't know how related this is, but Japan's actually done a pretty great job at reducing its suicide rate recently. Its rate (14.3 per 100k) is lower than Belgium's (15.7) and is similar to the suicide rate of the US (13.7) and France (12.1).