Japan and racial homogeneity

[Munkcestrian Republic]

Can't wait till Japan becomes a multi-ethnic wasteland so people will finally stop recreating this thread.

idc
what matters is decent fucking treatment no matter who you are not because of who you are
if you fuckups can't do that much you're fucking shit
if you take pride in being fucking shit then better to end everything than have some suffer so you or anyone else can feel superior

wow, bit much...

[Tybra]

Racial homogeneity the cause for Japans (economic success)? Not really, if anything it held it back for a long time. During the shogunate eras when Japan was more or less closed off a trickle of medicinal books entered the country filled with Western knowledge of medicine. This knowledge proved better than the traditional knowledge at that time, saving many lives. These books were smuggled in by Dutch traders whose entire country, economic success and ability to reach Japan relied on extracting labour from foreign sources (Norway, France, Germany, China).

Then there was the whole Meiji restoration where Japan fully adapted to foreign influences turning it into a regional powerhouse, surpassing China. This even led to a civil war between traditionalist and the imperialist, not that dissimilar of civil wars in Europe in past centuries. The traditionalists lost leading to Imperial Japan and it's conquest of Korea in 1910 which led to a massive influx (hundreds of thousands if not millions) forced labourers from Korea into Japan (pretty much slaves). Descendants of these Koreans are still living in Japan and aren't entirely considered Japanese.

Following WWII Japan was, again by foreign influences, forcefully liberalized and democratized, and granted generous benefits from the US through the Marshall Plan. Fearing a take over by foreign companies, Japan shifted to a mixed economy with more government intervention. At the same time it wanted to export more so it joined multinational organizations like GATT and the IMF to integrate in the the global economy. This lead to the doubling of Japans economy.

The oil crisis hit, which made oil jump from $3 to $13. This led to Japan investing in technology more to create more fuel efficient production lines.

Japans entire economic and technological story is one build on foreign influences. Wherever racial homogeneity ever played a role, it largely held it success back.

[Cetacea]

Japan doesn't have to be 100% perfectly homogenous, the point is- that it is the one country in the world that is close enough to that standard for it to be praiseworthy. Japan has all the right anti-immigration policies and I love it. Japan has a way of keeping Japan Japanese. They must not lose sight of this and make the mistakes that countries such as Canada and Australia have made in becoming diverse.

I agree send all the white folk back to Europe so Canada and Australia can have its homogeneity back

Also at least 3 native ethnicities in Japan plus some early migrant groups in addition to new immigrants.

Plus it ignores Japans relatively high Suicide rate

[Arcanda]

Racial homogeneity the cause for Japans (economic success)? Not really, if anything it held it back for a long time. During the shogunate eras when Japan was more or less closed off a trickle of medicinal books entered the country filled with Western knowledge of medicine. This knowledge proved better than the traditional knowledge at that time, saving many lives. These books were smuggled in by Dutch traders whose entire country, economic success and ability to reach Japan relied on extracting labour from foreign sources (Norway, France, Germany, China).

Then there was the whole Meiji restoration where Japan fully adapted to foreign influences turning it into a regional powerhouse, surpassing China. This even led to a civil war between traditionalist and the imperialist, not that dissimilar of civil wars in Europe in past centuries. The traditionalists lost leading to Imperial Japan and it's conquest of Korea in 1910 which led to a massive influx (hundreds of thousands if not millions) forced labourers from Korea into Japan (pretty much slaves). Descendants of these Koreans are still living in Japan and aren't entirely considered Japanese.

Following WWII Japan was, again by foreign influences, forcefully liberalized and democratized, and granted generous benefits from the US through the Marshall Plan. Fearing a take over by foreign companies, Japan shifted to a mixed economy with more government intervention. At the same time it wanted to export more so it joined multinational organizations like GATT and the IMF to integrate in the the global economy. This lead to the doubling of Japans economy.

The oil crisis hit, which made oil jump from $3 to $13. This led to Japan investing in technology more to create more fuel efficient production lines.

Japans entire economic and technological story is one build on foreign influences. Wherever racial homogeneity ever played a role, it largely held it success back.

You're mistaking foreign intervention/trade for "racial" (Better term would be ethnic) homogeneity.

[Vetalia]

I don't really care what Japan's attitudes are towards racial homogeneity...it's their country, they can have whatever policies they want. Problem is, that only works when you are having enough children to keep your population stable or growing.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I agree send all the white folk back to Europe so Canada and Australia can have its homogeneity back

I'm not sure citing an example of where newcomers from a foreign land harmed the locals is necessarily a case in immigration's favour.

Besides, what precisely do you think will happen to Canada's indigenous population if all the white people are gone?

[New haven america]

Can't wait till Japan becomes a multi-ethnic wasteland so people will finally stop recreating this thread.

It's already multiethnic, the Ryukuan and Ainu are very different from the Yamato.

People just choose to ignore that fact.

[Empire of Asgadr]

Yes. However NE Asian xenophobia is generally a lot less harmful than xenophobia everywhere else in general because we are very non-violent on average (Xi's persecutions are caused by despotism, not xenophobia).

what about when that bloke declared himself Jesus's favourite drinking buddy or something and then like a gazillion people died

Hong Xiuquan, he declared himself the younger Brother of Jesus and started a rebellion against the Manchu. His rebellion killed an estimated 20 - 30 million people

[New haven america]

what about when that bloke declared himself Jesus's favourite drinking buddy or something and then like a gazillion people died

Hong Xiuquan, he declared himself the younger Brother of Jesus and started a rebellion against the Manchu. His rebellion killed an estimated 20 - 30 million people

Or what about the time Japan literally raped an entire country.

Yep, Asian xenophobia is much more peaceful.

[Vetalia]

what about when that bloke declared himself Jesus's favourite drinking buddy or something and then like a gazillion people died

Hong Xiuquan, he declared himself the younger Brother of Jesus and started a rebellion against the Manchu. His rebellion killed an estimated 20 - 30 million people

Or the An Lushan rebellion that killed 13 million people...in the 8th century.

[Tupolite]

The level of civilization of the Slavs is very base and crude when left to their own devices. The best they can hope for is the introduction of a superior social and cultural order through conquest and paternalistic colonization.

That sounds almost like Lebensraum.

All the South Slavic lands should be Italian territory

[Cekoviu]

That sounds almost like Lebensraum.

All the South Slavic lands should be Italian territory

All the American lands should be Wolof territory

[NERVUN]

I'm pretty sure Japan's success derives from their ethnic, "racial" and cultural homogeneity, as it seems to make for a more cohesive society (And the benefits that come with it in a very wide range of areas). It's more or less linked. What baffles me is how many people are attempting to apply universal concepts on Japan, which is an island whose history and culture is far removed from anything we in Europe have or ever had. So yeah, you could instantly turn whatever country in Europe into an ethnically homogeneous place; you'll still need to unify the culture and many other things to get on Japan's level.

At +95% Japanese I'm pretty certain it's the most homogeneous country, both ethnically but especially culturally, in the developed world, as was said on the first page.

Seriously. Just is just so damn ignorant on so many levels of Japanese history...

[NERVUN]

Why do you think al these asians are emigrating away from their homeland?

The shut ins began in Japan. The cruellest game shows come from Japan. The suicide rate amongst teens is very high, suicide by work is very high.

The young generation Asians want more freedom, more equality and a social life.

In addition, as far as I'm aware, xenophobia is also quite rampant.

Meh.

Have I had encounters with it, yes. Am I shunned like a leaper, no. It has been changing rapidly (Well, rapidly for Japan. Usually Japanese culture changes at a glacial pace).

[Vetalia]

That sounds almost like Lebensraum.

All the South Slavic lands should be Italian territory

Yeah, give it a shot. You'll do about as well as you did back under Il Douche.

[Bear Stearns]

All the South Slavic lands should be Italian territory

All the American lands should be Wolof territory

They can have the Deep South.

The rest is for us.

[NERVUN]

You know, I'm curious for all those singing about how wonderful Japan is that it limits immigration and is racially or ethically homogeneous, what exactly do you think Japan is getting or has gotten out of this?

[Cekoviu]

All the American lands should be Wolof territory

They can have the Deep South.

The rest is for us.

It was a similar statement intended to indicate the absurdity of the original, not a serious suggestion.

[Bear Stearns]

They can have the Deep South.

The rest is for us.

It was a similar statement intended to indicate the absurdity of the original, not a serious suggestion.

Giving African-Americans an Israel-style homeland in the land of their former enslavement would solve a lot of America's racial problems.

[Cekoviu]

It was a similar statement intended to indicate the absurdity of the original, not a serious suggestion.

Giving African-Americans an Israel-style homeland in the land of their former enslavement would solve a lot of America's racial problems.

1) Wolof people are generally not African-Americans
2) Lol no it wouldn't

[Ayytaly]

It was a similar statement intended to indicate the absurdity of the original, not a serious suggestion.

Giving African-Americans an Israel-style homeland in the land of their former enslavement would solve a lot of America's racial problems.

Ah yes, Europeans giving Africans land that neither are indigenous to isn't going to flare up racial debates.

Aren't you the guy who insisted that Germanic tribes weren't a destructive European subspecies?

[New haven america]

It was a similar statement intended to indicate the absurdity of the original, not a serious suggestion.

Giving African-Americans an Israel-style homeland in the land of their former enslavement would solve a lot of America's racial problems.

America did that, it's called Liberia.

[Cekoviu]

Giving African-Americans an Israel-style homeland in the land of their former enslavement would solve a lot of America's racial problems.

America did that, it's called Liberia.

And they clearly aren't a utopia given the state of vexillology around there.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

What concerns me about Japan is not race. It’s the mental health of its population and the little regard the society there has for people who don’t fit an established and rigid mold.

[Neko-koku]

It was a similar statement intended to indicate the absurdity of the original, not a serious suggestion.

Giving African-Americans an Israel-style homeland in the land of their former enslavement would solve a lot of America's racial problems.

It will alleviate it but won't solve it. To get started what kind of income disparity between the two new countries will be? This invites a lot of illegal immigration...