Life after a Global Ecological Collapse

[Rojava Free State]

Why don't you tell that to all the people whose cities, states and even countries may be under water soon? Yes the earth has gone through natural climatic cycles. THis one however is a far faster change in climate than in other historical periods.

You can deny the studies all you want. If a super majority of scientists say it's happening, it's more likely that it is and you're just denying it than it is that some grand conspiracy to achieve unknown goals is going on

Yeah fuck conspiracies about this deal with climate change democratically or not these people are endangering others and based on worthless speculation. This is why Democracy needs a counterbalance for scientific crises like this. Like national emergency powers we have in USA would be useful.
Scientists opinions matter more on dealing with this than normal people who aren't nearly educated enough.

Yeah, their opinions kinda do matter more. They run tests and studies to reach their conclusions while most ordinary people either don't care or guess.

Your response to their studies which span decades was literally just "no." you keep pushing this idea that they're deliberately lying to us and I can't even see why that would be the case. What is the purpose of making up climate change? It harms corporations, causes mass hysteria and doesn't really help nor hurt the government. Who has something to gain?

[True Refuge]

What numbers? Please, I'm dying to know the magic evidence you have to contradict mountains of papers that you are so clearly knowledgeable enough to deny.

Go to the Guardian's page on the fossil fuels humans have burnt. Figure out how much of each is carbon. Multiply by 44/16, to convert to carbon dioxide. Calculate the volume of the atmosphere. Divide the amount of carbon dioxide from the fossil fuels by the volume of the atmosphere. You end up with about 1% of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from humans.

Are you unaware of how to copy-paste a URL? If you won't put the effort into arguing, I'm not going to find your source for you.

We can't take anything on your word without knowing the methods and sources of this 'Guardian article'. Surely as a skeptic you know the importance of reading the original sources claims are based on.

[Rojava Free State]

Why the hell would scientists make up climate change? you haven't even explained the motive behind your conspiracy theory. What is there to gain from a climate change hoax? If anything, powerful people have more to gain from denying climate change exists than to support the idea of global warming

Renewable energy lobbyists ofc /s

You mean a lobby that is waaaaaay smaller than the oil lobby? Yeah I really bet the government would be more influenced by some wind farms than by exxon, BP or standard oil

[Antityranicals]

Why the hell would scientists make up climate change? you haven't even explained the motive behind your conspiracy theory. What is there to gain from a climate change hoax? If anything, powerful people have more to gain from denying climate change exists than to support the idea of global warming

Renewable energy lobbyists ofc /s

Global warming is a perfect excuse for the government to take more power from the people. The GND was originally a socialist plan, but was rebranded to gain popularity. Those who wish to control every aspect of our lives would simply love to have the majority of Americans so scared of a made up problem that they'll give up all freedom to "deal with it". Sort of like 9/11 on super-steroids.

[Rojava Free State]

Common sense is a simple ability to analyze reality. There was a historical global warming which directly contradicts everything you say, and to simply discard that is very bad reasoning indeed.

Science has denied common sense many times in the past.
Common Sense doesn't matter as it's been wrong and a way to argue anything in your favor. Not a credible argument.

"Common sense" is a nice dog whistle for "screw your science, my preconceived notions are right!"

[Aureumterra]

Renewable energy lobbyists ofc /s

Global warming is a perfect excuse for the government to take more power from the people. The GND was originally a socialist plan, but was rebranded to gain popularity. Those who wish to control every aspect of our lives would simply love to have the majority of Americans so scared of a made up problem that they'll give up all freedom to "deal with it". Sort of like 9/11 on super-steroids.

Fuck the GND, but climate change is real, and that’s been proven repeatedly

[Antityranicals]

Science has denied common sense many times in the past.
Common Sense doesn't matter as it's been wrong and a way to argue anything in your favor. Not a credible argument.

"Common sense" is a nice dog whistle for "screw your science, my preconceived notions are right!"

No, what you are saying is "screw your actual concrete evidence, I can hide my preconceived notions behind pseudoscience!"

[Rojava Free State]

Renewable energy lobbyists ofc /s

Global warming is a perfect excuse for the government to take more power from the people. The GND was originally a socialist plan, but was rebranded to gain popularity. Those who wish to control every aspect of our lives would simply love to have the majority of Americans so scared of a made up problem that they'll give up all freedom to "deal with it". Sort of like 9/11 on super-steroids.

Okay what? As someone who doesn't trust the government myself and does think they are power hungry, I think climate change is a pretty shitty idea to take away people's rights. Like seriously, how do you take full control by saying "Oh guys in 100 years your city will be under water?" It would be far easier just to do a false flag attack and claim there's a communist or fascist insurrection than to use the fear of the climate warming up two degrees.

Either they're egomaniacal or idiotic, but they can't be both like you're suggesting

[Internationalist Bastard]

Pfft my plans simple
If I don’t die in the initial apocalypse I’ll be brutalized by marauders since I’m a minority

[True Refuge]

You know what, in response to the claim that "the climate's changed before":
https://xkcd.com/1732/

Oh, but wait, it's based on the work of climate scientists. Therefore's it's obviously false. Sorry for bringing it up.

(In all seriousness, Randall Munroe even points out the flaws in this presentation of data, and it definitely isn't perfect. Even then, it's a good way of representing the data graphically.)

[Rojava Free State]

"Common sense" is a nice dog whistle for "screw your science, my preconceived notions are right!"

No, what you are saying is "screw your actual concrete evidence, I can hide my preconceived notions behind pseudoscience!"

The pseudoscience backed up by decades of studies? Lmao, you claim there's no evidence of man-made climate change and then when people send you articles from multiple sources, you claim it's a conspiracy. Not everything you disagree with is fake

[Surkiea II]

This. I'm so sick of these environmental Marxists trying to fearmonger people into thinking the world is going to end by 2030.

Not everyone who believes climate change thinks the world will end by 2030 or that the green new deal is the best way to solve everything, really not

Also calling Rojava a marxist

Fucking lol. The people pushing this agenda ARE Marxists, it's part of their plan to attack capitalism, this is pretty evident on how much they attack corporations for doing absolutely nothing wrong. Of course I don't expect some far left socialist like you to understand.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Pfft my plans simple
If I don’t die in the initial apocalypse I’ll be brutalized by marauders since I’m a minority

Whoops that's bleak

[Rojava Free State]

Pfft my plans simple
If I don’t die in the initial apocalypse I’ll be brutalized by marauders since I’m a minority

Doubt your skin color will matter in the world of the new truth

[Internationalist Bastard]

Pfft my plans simple
If I don’t die in the initial apocalypse I’ll be brutalized by marauders since I’m a minority

Doubt your skin color will matter in the world of the new truth

Didn’t say it was my skin color

[Antityranicals]

Global warming is a perfect excuse for the government to take more power from the people. The GND was originally a socialist plan, but was rebranded to gain popularity. Those who wish to control every aspect of our lives would simply love to have the majority of Americans so scared of a made up problem that they'll give up all freedom to "deal with it". Sort of like 9/11 on super-steroids.

Okay what? As someone who doesn't trust the government myself and does think they are power hungry, I think climate change is a pretty shitty idea to take away people's rights. Like seriously, how do you take full control by saying "Oh guys in 100 years your city will be under water?" It would be far easier just to do a false flag attack and claim there's a communist or fascist insurrection than to use the fear of the climate warming up two degrees.

Either they're egomaniacal or idiotic, but they can't be both like you're suggesting

The total destruction of mankind at hand, and the only way to beat it being by destroying capitalism, is going to be a far more effective fear mechanism in the US than an attack on a country whose citizens think of themselves as militarily undefinable.

[Cekoviu]

"Common sense" is a nice dog whistle for "screw your science, my preconceived notions are right!"

No, what you are saying is "screw your actual concrete evidence, I can hide my preconceived notions behind pseudoscience!"

The only concrete evidence you have cited so far neither tells the full story nor discredits climate change in any way. You have constructed a conclusion before testing the evidence, a fatal scientific flaw.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Not everyone who believes climate change thinks the world will end by 2030 or that the green new deal is the best way to solve everything, really not

Also calling Rojava a marxist

Fucking lol. The people pushing this agenda ARE Marxists, it's part of their plan to attack capitalism, this is pretty evident on how much they attack corporations for doing absolutely nothing wrong. Of course I don't expect some far left socialist like you to understand.

Aureumterra is now a far left socialist? That's funny.

No, they are not marxists.

[True Refuge]

"Common sense" is a nice dog whistle for "screw your science, my preconceived notions are right!"

No, what you are saying is "screw your actual concrete evidence, I can hide my preconceived notions behind pseudoscience!"

What do you mean, something you haven't heard before? That's such a ridiculously broad term. You've denounced the entirety of climate science as a field. I mean, holy shit. You ask me to give evidence when every single possible academic source I could use is lying according to you. That's why it's unfalsifiable. Would you prefer the ramblings of a 30 minute long Youtuber with no qualifications in the field? That's pretty much the only avenue I have lol.

You haven't linked your evidence, so I can't evaluate it. I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.

I'd like a response to this please.

Pretty easy to say that when your position is unfalsifiable.

https://xkcd.com/1732/

[Rojava Free State]

Not everyone who believes climate change thinks the world will end by 2030 or that the green new deal is the best way to solve everything, really not

Also calling Rojava a marxist

Fucking lol. The people pushing this agenda ARE Marxists, it's part of their plan to attack capitalism, this is pretty evident on how much they attack corporations for doing absolutely nothing wrong. Of course I don't expect some far left socialist like you to understand.

This conspiracy theory has too many steps to be real. First off the democrats, the so called left party, are not anywhere near being marxists. They receive thousands of dollars a year in donations from wall street and support open immigration that benefits corporations. They're just as plutocrat controlled as the GOP. If there truly was an attack on corporate america, it would be put down immediately

Second off, not every one who disagrees with you is a damn commie. Many of us are libertarians which if anything makes us farther from stalin or mao than you are

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Pfft my plans simple
If I don’t die in the initial apocalypse I’ll be brutalized by marauders since I’m a minority

Whoops that's bleak

To be fair, world of the future currently looks pretty bleak.

[Cekoviu]

Okay what? As someone who doesn't trust the government myself and does think they are power hungry, I think climate change is a pretty shitty idea to take away people's rights. Like seriously, how do you take full control by saying "Oh guys in 100 years your city will be under water?" It would be far easier just to do a false flag attack and claim there's a communist or fascist insurrection than to use the fear of the climate warming up two degrees.

Either they're egomaniacal or idiotic, but they can't be both like you're suggesting

The total destruction of mankind at hand, and the only way to beat it being by destroying capitalism, is going to be a far more effective fear mechanism in the US than an attack on a country whose citizens think of themselves as militarily undefinable.

Are you implying that climate scientists and ecologists are all socialists and that's why evidence points directly against what you think? Boy, your views are more horrific than I could've even imagined.

[True Refuge]

The total destruction of mankind at hand, and the only way to beat it being by destroying capitalism, is going to be a far more effective fear mechanism in the US than an attack on a country whose citizens think of themselves as militarily undefinable.

Are you implying that climate scientists and ecologists are all socialists and that's why evidence points directly against what you think? Boy, your views are more horrific than I could've even imagined.

If there was a conspiracy that big, it would've been leaked many, many times.

Governments are not good at keeping major international operations secret for more than a decade or so.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Whoops that's bleak

To be fair, world of the future currently looks pretty bleak.

Yeah we’re looking at not having enough fucking oxygen to breathe so

[Rojava Free State]

To be fair, world of the future currently looks pretty bleak.

Yeah we’re looking at not having enough fucking oxygen to breathe so

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