NationStates

Given how LGBT people, as a perennial minority, are made to endure persecution and discrimination in almost every country in the world, I'm starting to think that, like the Jews before them, LGBT people should be entitled to a nation-state all to themselves where they are the demographic majority and reproduction occurs via artificial means. This LGBT majority could be sustained via mass immigration of LGBT refugees as well as restrictions on non-LGBT immigration. Such a state could be carved out in an otherwise deeply anti-LGBT part of the world, such as Chechnya or Uganda, and heavily armed and funded by LGBT-friendly states. The previous, deeply anti-LGBT inhabitants could be compelled to move out by force as punishment for their wanton persecution of LGBT people, similar to what happened to the Arabs when they attempted to annihilate the nascent Jewish state of Israel in 1948. Zionism for LGBT people sounds like a terrific idea.

Given that any offspring of LGBT people are likely to be mostly non-LGBT and mass immigration is the only way to sustain an LGBT demographic majority in the long run, such a nation-state can only exist insofar as persecution against LGBT people continues to persist and there is a sufficient desire for LGBT people to make aliyah, and non-LGBT offspring don't begin to massively outnumber their LGBT parents. Even if LGBT people ultimately cease to be the majority, the nation would be the most LGBT-friendly in the world for historical reasons, and could officially remain as a symbolic LGBT nation-state and a refuge for LGBT people fleeing persecution around the world.

What say you NSG? Is this a practical idea or is it too unrealistic and unsustainable in the long run? Would you support the idea of a nation-state and a refuge for LGBT people fleeing persecution around the world and asserting their fundamental and inherent right to exist, or would you consider it, like Zionism before it, to be a form of "racism" and an experiment in "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing" by "illegal LGBT settlers" engaging in "land theft" and "dispossession", given that the previous inhabitants would be forced to make room for a new state as punishment for their anti-LGBT crimes and bigotry? Is opposition to the existence of an LGBT nation-state homophobic and transphobic? Should the previous inhabitants be entitled to wage all-out war and engage in terroristic violence against LGBT people and the LGBT state in order to "reclaim" their territory from the "queer running dogs of Western imperialists"? Should there be a global boycott, divestment and sanctions movement against the LGBT nation-state?

I'm posting this here because I can't find an LGBT discussion thread anywhere. Only a trans discussion thread currently exists.

EDIT: Someone has suggested the name Rainbow Israel. Lovin' it.

I believe the trans thread also doubles as LGBT thread. I think.

I say give em their own country. What happens outside my borders is of no concern. As for sustainability, perhaps males can donate sperm to a sperm bank and then they can continue that way.

It sounds like segregation, which is often a bad thing voluntary or not. Plus it's hard to imagine someone saying- "I've realised that I'm gay, so I'll fly away now as my people need me"

SD_Film Artists wrote:It sounds like segregation, which is often a bad thing voluntary or not. Plus it's hard to imagine someone saying- "I've realised that I'm gay, so I'll fly away now as my people need me"

True true.

Also the idea is a bad one.

Given that I don’t think we’d vote to let only LGBT people in I don’t know what the point is. I’d have to be the equivalent of a gay fascist wanting an ethnogaystate.

I’d rather everyone just have affordable housing, universal healthcare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_and_L ... ea_Islands

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Black Moon Sodality wrote:Given that I don’t think we’d vote to let only LGBT people in I don’t know what the point is. I’d have to be the equivalent of a gay fascist wanting an ethnogaystate.

I’d rather everyone just have affordable housing, universal healthcare.

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Sexual orientation is not a nationality. LGBT people don't deserve to have a state just for them, but the states they live in have the responsibility to treat them as individuals. This whole idea just shows how much of a problem it is.

France already exists.

Yeah, give them a nation-state because the Israel-Palestine question isn't screwed up enough. Do it, give LGBT people a state and watch it be invaded immediately, not to mention blocked from accessing the UN by Russia (and potentially China too).

I absolutely support this. We can ship off our sodomites, get back their non-gay children. It's a win-win.

They're not here spreading their rot and propagandising, and they have their little sex-state to do whatever they want.

It won't work, partially because there will be a fundamental disconnect between the populace/nation and their offspring in terms of identity, but also because there will be issues of where the nation would be, as it'd need to be somewhere that has enough resources and infrastructure to be able to sustain a nation. It'd need to be ceded from another nation and the populace displaced. The only other alternative is to find an unpopulated area and use that; but the issue with that is that such areas are usually unpopulated for a reason, for example they are too inhospitable or do not have the resources to make it economically viable.

Pratiloma wrote:

Black Moon Sodality wrote:Given that I don’t think we’d vote to let only LGBT people in I don’t know what the point is. I’d have to be the equivalent of a gay fascist wanting an ethnogaystate.

I’d rather everyone just have affordable housing, universal healthcare.

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The New California Republic wrote:It won't work, partially because there will be a fundamental disconnect between the populace/nation and their offspring in terms of identity, but also because there will be issues of where the nation would be, as it'd need to be somewhere that has enough resources and infrastructure to be able to sustain a nation. It'd need to be ceded from another nation and the populace displaced. The only other alternative is to find an unpopulated area and use that; but the issue with that is that such areas are usually unpopulated for a reason, for example they are too inhospitable or do not have the resources to make it economically viable.

Impractical for all of these reasons.

It would be far better to use democratic means to pressure governments to pass laws preventing discrimination on the grounds of sexuality (also: race, gender, age, disabilty etc) and then enforce those laws properly in as many nations as humanly possible.

The Free Joy State wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:It won't work, partially because there will be a fundamental disconnect between the populace/nation and their offspring in terms of identity, but also because there will be issues of where the nation would be, as it'd need to be somewhere that has enough resources and infrastructure to be able to sustain a nation. It'd need to be ceded from another nation and the populace displaced. The only other alternative is to find an unpopulated area and use that; but the issue with that is that such areas are usually unpopulated for a reason, for example they are too inhospitable or do not have the resources to make it economically viable.

Impractical for all of these reasons.

It would be far better to use democratic means to pressure governments to pass laws preventing discrimination on the grounds of sexuality (also: race, gender, age, disabilty etc) and then enforce those laws properly in as many nations as humanly possible.

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That means all of them.

Simply put, the case of Israel can not be replicated anymore, regardless of the group in question.

Vivolkha wrote:

The Free Joy State wrote:Impractical for all of these reasons.

It would be far better to use democratic means to pressure governments to pass laws preventing discrimination on the grounds of sexuality (also: race, gender, age, disabilty etc) and then enforce those laws properly in as many nations as humanly possible.

(emphasis mine)
That means all of them.

Yes, indeed it does.

Humanity has a lot of work to do.

Great. I'll wait for a generation and then make sure to tell my children about a LGBT nation-state. We go there and count how many individuals we see, and how much they reproduce.

Hahahahahahahh

Vaukiai wrote:Great. I'll wait for a generation and then make sure to tell my children about a LGBT nation-state. We go there and count how many individuals we see, and how much they reproduce.

Hahahahahahahh

The OP mentions artificial means of reproduction, and there would be a constant stream of LGBT people from other nations, so your joke falls flat in light of that. Methinks you haven't thought this through...

The New California Republic wrote:

Vaukiai wrote:Great. I'll wait for a generation and then make sure to tell my children about a LGBT nation-state. We go there and count how many individuals we see, and how much they reproduce.

Hahahahahahahh

The OP mentions artificial means of reproduction, and there would be a constant stream of LGBT people from other nations, so your joke falls flat in light of that. Methinks you haven't thought this through...

Then do you mean transhuman children with three eyes, two heads and six fingers?

The New California Republic wrote:It won't work, partially because there will be a fundamental disconnect between the populace/nation and their offspring in terms of identity

But he looked at a Barbie for more than 5 seconds, she's obviously MtF!

Vaukiai wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:The OP mentions artificial means of reproduction, and there would be a constant stream of LGBT people from other nations, so your joke falls flat in light of that. Methinks you haven't thought this through...

Then do you mean children with three eyes, two heads and six fingers?

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

Let's call it "Rainbow Israel"

The New California Republic wrote:

Vaukiai wrote:Then do you mean children with three eyes, two heads and six fingers?

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

Degenerationist transhuman methods of insemination do not work.