Should There Be a Minimum Drinking Age?

[Black Moon Sodality]

Unfortunately, what usually happens here in the U.S. is that a child is forced to marry their sexual abuser so it doesn't become a scandal in a community.

I would like there to be a system to liberate them from that possibility, I.e. support them to leave such an abusive situation. But I don’t agree with putting random numbers down. I don’t think it’s necessary and I don’t think it helps.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I agree. It is a beverage, a food, so I don't see any reason why the government should tell people when they can or cannot have it.

I agree, it isn't the government's business to tell people what they can put in their own bodies and whether or not they can drink a harmful substance that is physically-injurious....provided they are consenting adults.

I think the U.S. should at least lower the age to 18. I'm an adult (under U.S. law), but I'm still "underage."

[Black Moon Sodality]

I think the U.S. should at least lower the age to 18. I'm an adult (under U.S. law), but I'm still "underage."

There you go. Hail Satan.

[Purgatio]

I agree, it isn't the government's business to tell people what they can put in their own bodies and whether or not they can drink a harmful substance that is physically-injurious....provided they are consenting adults.

I think the U.S. should at least lower the age to 18. I'm an adult (under U.S. law), but I'm still "underage."

I know, I've suggested 15 or 16 should be the drinking age

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I think the U.S. should at least lower the age to 18. I'm an adult (under U.S. law), but I'm still "underage."

I know, I've suggested 15 or 16 should be the drinking age

That is reasonable.

[Black Moon Sodality]

That is reasonable.

Don’t be reasonable, you are always free. Non Serviam.

[Pacomia]

I know, I've suggested 15 or 16 should be the drinking age

That is reasonable.

If you’re going to have a limit at all, it should be at a responsible age. Drinking alcohol while underage is bad for your brain and health later on, and really should only be done when developmentally mature, sometime in the 20s.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

That is reasonable.

If you’re going to have a limit at all, it should be at a responsible age. Drinking alcohol while underage is bad for your brain and health later on, and really should only be done when developmentally mature, sometime in the 20s.

I am aware, but I am someone who values liberty over safety. Plus, many in the previous generation drank when they were around 18, and most are fine today.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

That is reasonable.

Don’t be reasonable, you are always free. Non Serviam.

lol. As much as I'd support going further, it wouldn't be politically possible and most would not desire it. Around 15 or 16 being the legal age is a reasonable compromise.

[Pacomia]

If you’re going to have a limit at all, it should be at a responsible age. Drinking alcohol while underage is bad for your brain and health later on, and really should only be done when developmentally mature, sometime in the 20s.

I am aware, but I am someone who values liberty over safety. Plus, many in the previous generation drank when they were around 18, and most are fine today.

Sure, so do I. To be fair, there isn’t much we can do about people drinking underage. It’s hard to enforce, and people are going to do it anyway, much like driving without seatbelts. If you ask me, we should keep the laws, not try any harder to enforce them, and if people suffer, then it’s their loss, and their fault.

[Black Moon Sodality]

If you ask me, we should keep the laws, not try any harder to enforce them, and if people suffer, then it’s their loss, and their fault.

Oh, so they can’t legally drink but it’s their fault? Punitive horse shit.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I am aware, but I am someone who values liberty over safety. Plus, many in the previous generation drank when they were around 18, and most are fine today.

Sure, so do I. To be fair, there isn’t much we can do about people drinking underage. It’s hard to enforce, and people are going to do it anyway, much like driving without seatbelts. If you ask me, we should keep the laws, not try any harder to enforce them, and if people suffer, then it’s their loss, and their fault.

I say that the U.S. should lower the drinking age.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Sure, so do I. To be fair, there isn’t much we can do about people drinking underage. It’s hard to enforce, and people are going to do it anyway, much like driving without seatbelts. If you ask me, we should keep the laws, not try any harder to enforce them, and if people suffer, then it’s their loss, and their fault.

I say that the U.S. should lower the drinking age.

Why not just abolish?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I say that the U.S. should lower the drinking age.

Why not just abolish?

I would support that, but as I said before, that would not be likely to happen. I will shoot for the stars anyway (abolition of the drinking age) so I can hit the moon (a much lower drinking age), as that's as far as we could probably get.

Lowering the age is the minimum type of reform I would tolerate.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Honestly I'd prefer if the stuff didn't exist, but that's not realistic.

[Kubra]

I didn't perceive of the idea of a drink (an alcoholic one, I mean) with a meal, as I was raised in a largely teetotaller household. The only time alcohol entered the equation was to binge drink, and binge drink we did. I'm of course not huge binge drinker these days, I like drinks before I like the alcohol now, and to be honest I think I would have preferred a head start on the concept. You know, it's not fair to the drinks that they end up so unappreciatively drunk, nor was it fair to my body.

[Alien Overlord]

On one hand, i believe that it should be determined by individual states (or similar subdivisions in other federal republics) whether there is a minimum drinking age. On the other hand i remember reading that alcohol can have detrimental effects on a child or teenagers brain compared to an adult.

I think that it should be legal to own at technically any age, but you should be 21 to drink any of it.

[Nogodia]

My opinion is, age should correspond with the percentage of alcohol in a drink you're allowed to buy.
A 16-year-old shouldn't be anywhere near something like vodka or absinthe.
Wine and beer, on the other hand, seem at least somewhat reasonable at that age.

[BLASNIAENIA]

No!

[Vendellamoore]

Yes, there should. I mean, we can't have 15 year olds getting drunk. I say either 21 years old or 19.

Lotta 15 years olds are already doing that regardless of laws and limits.

True True.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Because consent is a dealbreaker for me whatever the supposed 'educational' benefits, hence why that was my first response. A kid destroying his body without the mental competence to consent is bad regardless of whatever 'incidental side-benefits' or 'good consequence' you can point to. But clearly your response showed me you, amazingly, shockingly, you don't regard it as a moral deal-breaker for someone's body to be physically-injured without their consent, so I decided to shift to my even-if argument (ie even-if you think it's okay for kids to destroy their bodies without consent, here's why your argument's still wrong), why even then I don't agree with your alleged beneficial consequence.

Secondly, the fact that current information about weed is wrong doesn't get away from my argument that you don't need to give a kid poison to teach him how to handle that poison in a less-dangerous fashion in future. Teach your kid about the importance of drinking slowly (although obviously if you're a responsible parent you should discourage your kid from drinking in future, but naturally add that if he's gonna drink he should not it in a way that minimises harm to himself), testing his limits, not going too fast, keeping track of the impact one shot has on his mental faculties, does he feel nauseous, don't drink on an empty stomach, none of this requires giving an underage kid who can't consent to the physical injury of his own body the poison in question. In the same way as you don't need to physically have sex with a kid to explain how to have safe sex or how consent works. You just teach him all the important facts.

Does giving them junk food without vitamins constitute "physically injuring" them? No?

Then who gets to say what things that are still slightly-harmful at slight-amounts constitute "poisoning" them or not?

We tried enforcing minimum drinking age laws. We already saw the results. Let's try something different.

That you feel the need to make empty comparisons to incest to defend your position speaks to how little of a case you have.

Purgatio, I noticed you repeated your "alcohol is poison" mantra without addressing this analogy. Are you avoiding it?

Here's another one for you to address while you're at it. If a parent took a child on a vacation to Shanghai, the child would be exposed to some pollution. However, if it was a short vacation, it would be a small amount. Does that still constitute "injuring" said child?

The dose makes the poison.

[Skyhooked]

My opinion is, age should correspond with the percentage of alcohol in a drink you're allowed to buy.
A 16-year-old shouldn't be anywhere near something like vodka or absinthe.
Wine and beer, on the other hand, seem at least somewhat reasonable at that age.

Like young dude can't get piss drunk with wine and beer. Sure he might need more, but still...

So let's not create additional limitations. Nanny state is something the people need as badly as fish needs an umbrella.

[Thepeopl]

My opinion is, age should correspond with the percentage of alcohol in a drink you're allowed to buy.
A 16-year-old shouldn't be anywhere near something like vodka or absinthe.
Wine and beer, on the other hand, seem at least somewhat reasonable at that age.

Like young dude can't get piss drunk with wine and beer. Sure he might need more, but still...

So let's not create additional limitations. Nanny state is something the people need as badly as fish needs an umbrella.

Actually, fish would love to have umbrella's. It's a good hiding place, it attracts algae/ clams.

Sorry, will answer seriously now. I would advocate educating state. Just teach ppl the effects of alcohol on the body/ brain. You could have this really cool science lesson were everyone gets to drink 1 dose of alcohol. And children have to write a report/ multi media project on the effects of said dose on themselves. Outside school drinking would still be frowned upon.

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On one hand, i believe that it should be determined by individual states (or similar subdivisions in other federal republics) whether there is a minimum drinking age. On the other hand i remember reading that alcohol can have detrimental effects on a child or teenagers brain compared to an adult.

I think that it should be legal to own at technically any age, but you should be 21 to drink any of it.

That's rather impractical. People who own alcohol almost always drink it.

[Skyhooked]

Like young dude can't get piss drunk with wine and beer. Sure he might need more, but still...

So let's not create additional limitations. Nanny state is something the people need as badly as fish needs an umbrella.

Actually, fish would love to have umbrella's. It's a good hiding place, it attracts algae/ clams.

Sorry, will answer seriously now. I would advocate educating state. Just teach ppl the effects of alcohol on the body/ brain. You could have this really cool science lesson were everyone gets to drink 1 dose of alcohol. And children have to write a report/ multi media project on the effects of said dose on themselves. Outside school drinking would still be frowned upon.

And what and how much of booze ia in a dose? Is it a sake cup of beer? Or a bottle of vodka mixed with cola?