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Should we vote for women because they're women?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:01 am
by Nova Cyberia
Compelling.
In February, Nevada became the first state in the country with a female-majority legislature. By June, with the help of the state’s Democratic governor, there were stronger laws ensuring equal pay for women, tougher penalties for domestic violence, better protection for sexual-assault survivors, more money for family-planning services, an end to a requirement that forced doctors to ask women their marital status before performing an abortion and an increased minimum wage.If anyone needed proof that having more female lawmakers benefits women, Nevada certainly makes a compelling case.

And yet female voters have often rejected the idea that women should vote with gender in mind. In 2016, Nancy Pelosi told Politico podcasters, “I don’t think that any woman should be asked to vote for someone because she’s a woman.” Of course it would be ridiculous to suggest that someone hop party lines to vote along gender ones, or support a candidate who fails to prioritize what she sees as a key issue. But in primaries where contenders have similar ideologies, there’s a strong argument to be made for backing a woman.

In their book Gendered Vulnerability: How Women Work Harder to Stay in Office, political scientists Jeffrey Lazarus and Amy Steigerwalt found that women in Congress are generally more effective than their male colleagues. They point to the fact that Congresswomen tend to have more staff in their district offices, serve on committees for issues that are of most interest to their constituents and are more likely to co-sponsor legislation that helps their voters. Separate research shows that female lawmakers bring more federal money back to their districts.

Women are more likely to run for elective office for the right reasons too. In her book Women Transforming Congress, political science professor Cindy Simon Rosenthal describes surveying lawmakers about why they got into politics. Most male legislators said it was something they’d always wanted to do. Female legislators, on the other hand, said they hoped to create social change and become more involved in their communities. In many instances, men run for office to be something while women run to do something.

Perhaps most significant, female lawmakers better represent women’s interests, pushing laws in areas frequently prioritized by female voters, including health care, civil rights and issues affecting families. One major roadblock in getting such legislation passed, however, could be that there simply aren’t enough women in office to usher it through; a 2018 Political Science Research and Methods study found that women’s proposals “are systematically dismissed and disregarded throughout the legislative process, relative to those of men.” It’s impossible to say for sure whether equal representation would change that–women still make up only about a quarter of Congress and 29% of state legislatures–but it’s reasonable to conclude that without more women in office, the issues women care about most will continue to be brushed aside.

Here’s what we do know: white men account for about a third of the U.S. population but dominate our political system. It’s not because they’re more “authentic” or “electable” or any of the other vague terms thrown around when candidates are discussed, but rather because white men run for office more than anyone else. In the 2018 election cycle, women and people of color were just as likely as white men to win their races once they were on the ballot, according to a report by the Reflective Democracy Campaign. And with Democratic women running in record numbers, it was women–and, importantly, diverse women–who flipped the House from red to blue.

Imagine, in Washington and in state legislatures across the country, women being represented by people who innately understand their experiences because they have lived them. The only way to get there is to vote more women into office–and not only that, but women of color; LGBTQ women; immigrant women; women with young kids; women with no kids; women from different economic, religious and ethnic backgrounds. There are gains even in the trying. Having multiple women in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary has already changed the discourse of the election. In the first two debates, candidates talked about abortion access, the Equal Rights Amendment and the wage gap–with women onstage addressing those issues, the men have been forced to do so as well. The female candidates have also led the way on proposals for paid leave and affordable-child-care policies.

So go ahead, vote for her–and her, and her, and her–right down the ballot. If someone asks why, don’t hesitate to give the short answer: Because she’s a woman. It’s as good a reason as any.

So, what do you think NSG? Should we vote according to gender and elect people to office purely because they happen to be a woman? I mean, this is a bullet-proof argument. Women good and men bad. After all, women push issues that are important like addressing that they're paid less because they work less.

Voting based on gender is stupid and wrong, but of course no issue is complete without NSG's opinion. Thoughts?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:03 am
by Pacomia
Nah, that’s dumb.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:04 am
by Neko-koku
Nova Cyberia wrote:Compelling.
In February, Nevada became the first state in the country with a female-majority legislature. By June, with the help of the state’s Democratic governor, there were stronger laws ensuring equal pay for women, tougher penalties for domestic violence, better protection for sexual-assault survivors, more money for family-planning services, an end to a requirement that forced doctors to ask women their marital status before performing an abortion and an increased minimum wage.If anyone needed proof that having more female lawmakers benefits women, Nevada certainly makes a compelling case.

And yet female voters have often rejected the idea that women should vote with gender in mind. In 2016, Nancy Pelosi told Politico podcasters, “I don’t think that any woman should be asked to vote for someone because she’s a woman.” Of course it would be ridiculous to suggest that someone hop party lines to vote along gender ones, or support a candidate who fails to prioritize what she sees as a key issue. But in primaries where contenders have similar ideologies, there’s a strong argument to be made for backing a woman.

In their book Gendered Vulnerability: How Women Work Harder to Stay in Office, political scientists Jeffrey Lazarus and Amy Steigerwalt found that women in Congress are generally more effective than their male colleagues. They point to the fact that Congresswomen tend to have more staff in their district offices, serve on committees for issues that are of most interest to their constituents and are more likely to co-sponsor legislation that helps their voters. Separate research shows that female lawmakers bring more federal money back to their districts.

Women are more likely to run for elective office for the right reasons too. In her book Women Transforming Congress, political science professor Cindy Simon Rosenthal describes surveying lawmakers about why they got into politics. Most male legislators said it was something they’d always wanted to do. Female legislators, on the other hand, said they hoped to create social change and become more involved in their communities. In many instances, men run for office to be something while women run to do something.

Perhaps most significant, female lawmakers better represent women’s interests, pushing laws in areas frequently prioritized by female voters, including health care, civil rights and issues affecting families. One major roadblock in getting such legislation passed, however, could be that there simply aren’t enough women in office to usher it through; a 2018 Political Science Research and Methods study found that women’s proposals “are systematically dismissed and disregarded throughout the legislative process, relative to those of men.” It’s impossible to say for sure whether equal representation would change that–women still make up only about a quarter of Congress and 29% of state legislatures–but it’s reasonable to conclude that without more women in office, the issues women care about most will continue to be brushed aside.

Here’s what we do know: white men account for about a third of the U.S. population but dominate our political system. It’s not because they’re more “authentic” or “electable” or any of the other vague terms thrown around when candidates are discussed, but rather because white men run for office more than anyone else. In the 2018 election cycle, women and people of color were just as likely as white men to win their races once they were on the ballot, according to a report by the Reflective Democracy Campaign. And with Democratic women running in record numbers, it was women–and, importantly, diverse women–who flipped the House from red to blue.

Imagine, in Washington and in state legislatures across the country, women being represented by people who innately understand their experiences because they have lived them. The only way to get there is to vote more women into office–and not only that, but women of color; LGBTQ women; immigrant women; women with young kids; women with no kids; women from different economic, religious and ethnic backgrounds. There are gains even in the trying. Having multiple women in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary has already changed the discourse of the election. In the first two debates, candidates talked about abortion access, the Equal Rights Amendment and the wage gap–with women onstage addressing those issues, the men have been forced to do so as well. The female candidates have also led the way on proposals for paid leave and affordable-child-care policies.

So go ahead, vote for her–and her, and her, and her–right down the ballot. If someone asks why, don’t hesitate to give the short answer: Because she’s a woman. It’s as good a reason as any.

So, what do you think NSG? Should we vote according to gender and elect people to office purely because they happen to be a woman? I mean, this is a bullet-proof argument. Women good and men bad. After all, women push issues that are important like addressing that they're paid less because they work less.

Voting based on gender is stupid and wrong, but of course no issue is complete without NSG's opinion. Thoughts?

No. We shouldn't vote for men because they are men either.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:05 am
by The Huskar Social Union
Fuck no. Vote for the person you think is best for the job, not because of what is between their legs. Same applies to things like religion, skin colour etc

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:06 am
by Pacomia
Neko-koku wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Compelling.

So, what do you think NSG? Should we vote according to gender and elect people to office purely because they happen to be a woman? I mean, this is a bullet-proof argument. Women good and men bad. After all, women push issues that are important like addressing that they're paid less because they work less.

Voting based on gender is stupid and wrong, but of course no issue is complete without NSG's opinion. Thoughts?

No. We shouldn't vote for men because they are men either.

In general, we shouldn’t vote based on sex, race, sexuality, or anything like that, because that’s still sexism, racism, etc. That sort of thing works both ways.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:06 am
by Deltia-
What is this, kindergarten? No. We should vote for candidates based on qualifications.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:07 am
by Deltia-
Pacomia wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:No. We shouldn't vote for men because they are men either.

In general, we shouldn’t vote based on sex, race, sexuality, or anything like that, because that’s still sexism, racism, etc. That sort of thing works both ways.



Exactly.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:08 am
by Hakons
Don't vote for someone based on an immutable characteristic

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:08 am
by Djuph
I've got four words to settle this debate:

Sarah Palin
Hillary Clinton

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:08 am
by Cekoviu
I can see the point, but I think a better thing to do is to advance a reduction of societal gender norms that make it harder for women and prevent legislation helpful to women. And remember that women can also be misogynist (or misandrist, for that matter), so voting for one is no guarantee that something like abortion rights can be protected.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:08 am
by Pacomia
Who voted “yes”?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:08 am
by Nova Cyberia
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Fuck no. Vote for the person you think is best for the job, not because of what is between their legs. Same applies to things like religion, skin colour etc

Have you not heard the word of the superior gender?

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:08 am
by Vivolkha
Yeah no, this is nonsense. Vote who you think is best for the job. Who cares about their gender? Also, I will not believe any study saying that having more x is good for the country (where x can be members of a gender, a religious group, etc.).

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:08 am
by Neko-koku
Pacomia wrote:
Neko-koku wrote:No. We shouldn't vote for men because they are men either.

In general, we shouldn’t vote based on sex, race, sexuality, or anything like that, because that’s still sexism, racism, etc. That sort of thing works both ways.

Race is a different issue IN ETHNOSTATES alone. Voting based on sex and sexuality is dumb.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:09 am
by Deltia-
Pacomia wrote:Who voted “yes”?


Perhaps an insane SJW.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:10 am
by Page
We should vote solely based on policy, specifically by answering the question "Will material conditions improve if this person is elected?"

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:10 am
by The Huskar Social Union
Nova Cyberia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Fuck no. Vote for the person you think is best for the job, not because of what is between their legs. Same applies to things like religion, skin colour etc

Have you not heard the word of the superior gender?

The superior gender is agender robots.


Like im a big fan of women, but they got nothing on agender robots.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:11 am
by Galloism
Today in nationstates, "should we be sexist in whom we vote for?"

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:12 am
by Saiwania
The last thing we need is a bunch of women in power that're enshrining Third Wave Feminism as law. We need enough men to counter that nonsense.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:13 am
by Deltia-
I don't care if everyone in (insert legislative body here) are white males, women, people of color, LGBT or whatever. As long as they can do the job and do it well, we should vote for them.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:13 am
by Pacomia
Saiwania wrote:The last thing we need is a bunch of women in power that're enshrining Third Wave Feminism as law. We need enough men to counter that nonsense.

Lots of men are third wave feminists, lots of women aren’t third wave feminists.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:14 am
by Diopolis
No. If anything we should vote against women because they’re women and should be in the private sphere.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:14 am
by Galloism
Diopolis wrote:No. If anything we should vote against women because they’re women and should be in the private sphere.

Hot take.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:14 am
by Irenton
Just vote for non-binary people, problem solved.

Now I'm off to sort out Brexit, back in 5.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:15 am
by Neko-koku
Diopolis wrote:No. If anything we should vote against women because they’re women and should be in the private sphere.

We have to agree to disagree here.