Michigan City Council Candidate: Keep Community white

[Estanglia]

But the distance is so far that to make it important is to act as if one grain of sand is equivalent to a beach.

Not to me and not to anyone who has ever quick to believe a racial stereotype, or not want their child to marry someone of a different race, or who wants to live and work with people of the same race, the existence of racial prejudice is evidence that racial identity is alive and well in the human spirit

My point still stands, regardless of how many people call a grain of sand a beach.

[Rojava Free State]

We. DOnt. Need. Monoracial. Societies. You totally missed the point

We do need a unifying culture, but that doesn't mean we all have to look the same

How? By magic? Its not gonna happen dude because human history shows how tribalistic we are and you can't just will people to like each all of a sudden.

Do I need to bring up a certain island again? History shows that this obsession about race is a recent thing and not representative of all of human history

[Purgatio]

Not to me and not to anyone who has ever quick to believe a racial stereotype, or not want their child to marry someone of a different race, or who wants to live and work with people of the same race, the existence of racial prejudice is evidence that racial identity is alive and well in the human spirit

My point still stands, regardless of how many people call a grain of sand a beach.

No, my point was some people like you don't see race as a big deal, others like me and others see racial identification as a big part of the group and wider community we are a part of. All I'm saying is we should live in a world that gives people an option to live in racially heterogenous or racially homogenous neighbourhoods depending on their personal preference.

[Rojava Free State]

But the distance is so far that to make it important is to act as if one grain of sand is equivalent to a beach.

Not to me and not to anyone who has ever quick to believe a racial stereotype, or not want their child to marry someone of a different race, or who wants to live and work with people of the same race, the existence of racial prejudice is evidence that racial identity is alive and well in the human spirit

Anyone who doesn't want their kid marrying someone of the opposite race deserves to have mixed race grandchildren

[Purgatio]

How? By magic? Its not gonna happen dude because human history shows how tribalistic we are and you can't just will people to like each all of a sudden.

Do I need to bring up a certain island again? History shows that this obsession about race is a recent thing and not representative of all of human history

Doesn't the very fact that race-based slavery was practiced by, idk, the European Empires, China and the Arabs kinda disprove your point there that racial tribalism is a recent thing?

[Rojava Free State]

My point still stands, regardless of how many people call a grain of sand a beach.

No, my point was some people like you don't see race as a big deal, others like me and others see racial identification as a big part of the group and wider community we are a part of. All I'm saying is we should live in a world that gives people an option to live in racially heterogenous or racially homogenous neighbourhoods depending on their personal preference.

No one has a right to tell other people they can't live in certain places due to their race. If you don't wanna see people of other races, go found a hidden community in the jungle with only people who look like you

[Necroghastia]

What makes you think such things are solely caused by ethnicity?

Literally never suggested that. I feel like a broken record on this.

You essentially said that multiethnic communities are prone to riots because they are multiethnic, yes?

[Purgatio]

Not to me and not to anyone who has ever quick to believe a racial stereotype, or not want their child to marry someone of a different race, or who wants to live and work with people of the same race, the existence of racial prejudice is evidence that racial identity is alive and well in the human spirit

Anyone who doesn't want their kid marrying someone of the opposite race deserves to have mixed race grandchildren

They are just individuals who love their community and don't want to see the slow but certain death of a people over generations, what's your objection to that?

[Purgatio]

Literally never suggested that. I feel like a broken record on this.

You essentially said that multiethnic communities are prone to riots because they are multiethnic, yes?

I said that human beings are racially and ethnically tribalistic, I didn't deny that we can be tribalistic on other grounds. I've never said the sole division between us is racial or ethnic.

[Rojava Free State]

Do I need to bring up a certain island again? History shows that this obsession about race is a recent thing and not representative of all of human history

Doesn't the very fact that race-based slavery was practiced by, idk, the European Empires, China and the Arabs kinda disprove your point there that racial tribalism is a recent thing?

Oh you mean the enslavement of diverse groups of outsiders? The Chinese enslaved all kinds of people and the Arab slave trade enslaved anyone who wasn't muslim, whether they were eastern european, African or indian. Not the same thing as race

[Estanglia]

How? By magic? Its not gonna happen dude because human history shows how tribalistic we are and you can't just will people to like each all of a sudden.

Do I need to bring up a certain island again? History shows that this obsession about race is a recent thing and not representative of all of human history

^this.

We only really started with the 'race is important' shtick when colonialism kicked off. Before then it was mainly culture vs culture (for example, Rome vs 'the barbarians'). It was "We are the civilised, they are the barbarians". The race of the 'we' was largely irrelevant (as we can see with the fact that empires like Rome's spanned from England to North Africa, with all the races in between).

[Rojava Free State]

Anyone who doesn't want their kid marrying someone of the opposite race deserves to have mixed race grandchildren

They are just individuals who love their community and don't want to see the slow but certain death of a people over generations, what's your objection to that?

My objection is that there's nothing wrong with interracial marriage and people have a right to get interracially married whether their snowflake parents can take it or not

[Purgatio]

No, my point was some people like you don't see race as a big deal, others like me and others see racial identification as a big part of the group and wider community we are a part of. All I'm saying is we should live in a world that gives people an option to live in racially heterogenous or racially homogenous neighbourhoods depending on their personal preference.

No one has a right to tell other people they can't live in certain places due to their race. If you don't wanna see people of other races, go found a hidden community in the jungle with only people who look like you

Why not? Flip the question on its head - what right do people of an outside race have to invade, trespass and infiltrate on a community in which they don't belong because they want to destroy the carefully-nurtured social cohesion built up in that homogenous community?

[Necroghastia]

But the distance is so far that to make it important is to act as if one grain of sand is equivalent to a beach.

Not to me and not to anyone who has ever quick to believe a racial stereotype, or not want their child to marry someone of a different race, or who wants to live and work with people of the same race, the existence of racial prejudice is evidence that racial identity is alive and well in the human spirit

Racial prejudice is taught, not inherent.

[Rojava Free State]

No one has a right to tell other people they can't live in certain places due to their race. If you don't wanna see people of other races, go found a hidden community in the jungle with only people who look like you

Why not? Flip the question on its head - what right do people of an outside race have to invade, trespass and infiltrate on a community in which they don't belong because they want to destroy the carefully-nurtured social cohesion built up in that homogenous community?

I didn't know a moving van pulling up at a house in Marysville and a black family unloading their furniture was considered an invasion force. I have a right to live wherever the shit I wanna live. Don't tell me where I can or can't live based on my race, cause I'll be damned if some racist old lady on a city council thinks she can control whether I wanna live in her town or not.

[Purgatio]

Not to me and not to anyone who has ever quick to believe a racial stereotype, or not want their child to marry someone of a different race, or who wants to live and work with people of the same race, the existence of racial prejudice is evidence that racial identity is alive and well in the human spirit

Racial prejudice is taught, not inherent.

Taught within 3 months? (https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2015.00593/full)

[Estanglia]

My point still stands, regardless of how many people call a grain of sand a beach.

No, my point was some people like you don't see race as a big deal, others like me and others see racial identification as a big part of the group and wider community we are a part of.

Yes, as I said, you're calling a grain of sand a beach. The fact that many others do so doesn't change that.

All I'm saying is we should live in a world that gives people an option to live in racially heterogenous or racially homogenous neighbourhoods depending on their personal preference.

Only if the decision to turn an area into a racially homogenous/heterogenous area is agreed upon by all inhabitants, especially those who would be displaced if an area becomes homogenous/heterogenous.

Have your racial utopias, but don't fuck over others in your goal to get them.

[Purgatio]

Why not? Flip the question on its head - what right do people of an outside race have to invade, trespass and infiltrate on a community in which they don't belong because they want to destroy the carefully-nurtured social cohesion built up in that homogenous community?

I didn't know a moving van pulling up at a house in Marysville and a black family unloading their furniture was considered an invasion force. I have a right to live wherever the shit I wanna live. Don't tell me where I can or can't live based on my race, cause I'll be damned if some racist old lady on a city council thinks she can control whether I wanna live in her town or not.

In much of human history, our societies were monoracial and monoethnic, that's been the natural way of human association for centuries, and even today we have societies like South Korea, Taiwan and Japan which are more than 95% one ethnicity, why would you want to upset the social harmony so carefully nurtured and cultivated by such people?

[Estanglia]

Anyone who doesn't want their kid marrying someone of the opposite race deserves to have mixed race grandchildren

They are just individuals who love their community and don't want to see the slow but certain death of a people over generations, what's your objection to that?

The fact that their goals will lead to the displacement of people who are hated for reasons that are complete and utter bullshit?

[Purgatio]

No, my point was some people like you don't see race as a big deal, others like me and others see racial identification as a big part of the group and wider community we are a part of.

Yes, as I said, you're calling a grain of sand a beach. The fact that many others do so doesn't change that.

All I'm saying is we should live in a world that gives people an option to live in racially heterogenous or racially homogenous neighbourhoods depending on their personal preference.

Only if the decision to turn an area into a racially homogenous/heterogenous area is agreed upon by all inhabitants, especially those who would be displaced if an area becomes homogenous/heterogenous.

Have your racial utopias, but don't fuck over others in your goal to get them.

I do. All I want is for societies that are homogenous today to have the right to maintain that homogeneity by deciding who can enter the community and who can't. That doesn't 'fuck over others' because its a free choice of the community and its inhabitants.

[Necroghastia]

I still wanna know why if we're restricting people to only marrying other people based on some arbitrary common ancestor, why we shouldn't just legislate incest. I mean, you're definitely gonna make a homogeneous society that way!

[Purgatio]

They are just individuals who love their community and don't want to see the slow but certain death of a people over generations, what's your objection to that?

The fact that their goals will lead to the displacement of people who are hated for reasons that are complete and utter bullshit?

You can go live somewhere else with your own people or a diverse community of people that don't mind diversity

[Necroghastia]

I didn't know a moving van pulling up at a house in Marysville and a black family unloading their furniture was considered an invasion force. I have a right to live wherever the shit I wanna live. Don't tell me where I can or can't live based on my race, cause I'll be damned if some racist old lady on a city council thinks she can control whether I wanna live in her town or not.

In much of human history, our societies were monoracial and monoethnic, that's been the natural way of human association for centuries, and even today we have societies like South Korea, Taiwan and Japan which are more than 95% one ethnicity, why would you want to upset the social harmony so carefully nurtured and cultivated by such people?

What makes you think the social harmony is that fucking fragile?

[Rojava Free State]

I didn't know a moving van pulling up at a house in Marysville and a black family unloading their furniture was considered an invasion force. I have a right to live wherever the shit I wanna live. Don't tell me where I can or can't live based on my race, cause I'll be damned if some racist old lady on a city council thinks she can control whether I wanna live in her town or not.

In much of human history, our societies were monoracial and monoethnic, that's been the natural way of human association for centuries, and even today we have societies like South Korea, Taiwan and Japan which are more than 95% one ethnicity, why would you want to upset the social harmony so carefully nurtured and cultivated by such people?

First off Japan doesn't want anyone who isn't Japanese moving in in large number. That isn't racial as much as ethnocentric. Second, let's see how mad you act when the population keeps declining in east Asia and without immigrants to fill the void, the countries simply vanish

[Purgatio]

I still wanna know why if we're restricting people to only marrying other people based on some arbitrary common ancestor, why we shouldn't just legislate incest. I mean, you're definitely gonna make a homogeneous society that way!

Dude don't be gross. This is like saying "what's your objection to me marrying a five-year-old, if you want a minimum age for marriage why don't you go all the way and make the minimum age 100?"

It's just slippery slope absurdism taken to an extreme level.