Michigan City Council Candidate: Keep Community white

[Purgatio]

Because we did not have the degree of racial diversity we have today within concentrated cities and countries. The diversity of America's inner cities for example is not replicated in any part of America in the late 1700s or early 1800s.

Did you seriously not read what I said? Bro, ancient Egypt had people who looked middle eastern or European living alongside people who looked sub Saharan African and they had social cohesiveness. Ancient Rome had celts, italians, greeks, iberians, levantines, sub Saharan Africans and Anatolian people all in the same empire. These nations would look ppretty diverse and no one cared. Stop viewing the past through a modern lense

And Rome had no ethnic conflict? Tell me, how exactly did Rome fall again?

[Genivaria]

Wtf does 'racially and ethnically homogeneous societies' mean to exactly?

Societies made up of one race and one ethnicity

My god the satire just writes itself, where's a Hitler 'stache when I need it?

[Purgatio]

There are certain people on this planet I have more proximate 'most recent common ancestor' with than others. That is my racial community and my tribe.

What an idiotic mentality.

There are people out there who feel a biological closeness to their blood relatives and extended family, is that an 'idiotic mentality' too?

[Rojava Free State]

Or we will all identify with the culture of whatever nation we live in. Most Puerto ricans are mixed race and trust me, we have plenty of identity to coalesce around. Who cares about racial identity? WHo actually gives a shit? Do countries not exist anymore? Are religions gone? Did every town and city vanish? Are jobs no longer a thing? There are plenty of other things to identify with. I identify as plenty of things before identifying as a brown man and I see more kinship with a working class white person than with a rich Arab or Hispanic man

Maybe that's you but stark and obvious phenotypical differences that are identifiable at first glance breed distrust and suspicion because as human beings we are prone towards tribalistic, in-group, out-group thinking, we want to feel part of and a sense of belonging with a people, a wider group, clearly-defined by asking who is and is not a part of said group. If you have different racial groups within the same location for long enough division and mistrust is sparked, as evidenced by human history and all the racial violence we've seen and race riots.

All the racial violence we have seen happened within the last few hundred years. you're once again basing your whole view on humanity based on 0.1% of humanity's existence

[Purgatio]

Societies made up of one race and one ethnicity

My god the satire just writes itself, where's a Hitler 'stache when I need it?

I mean, you're rly not giving me an argument here so I can't respond, you're just throwing out personal attacks

[Genivaria]

It's odd that you feel a kinship based on race alone (unless by race you mean ethnicity).

I'd get culture, but race?

It might just be me, but I feel no inherent kinship with a Pole over a Cambodian or Nigerian, even if the Pole is of the same race as me.

But I would feel significantly more of a kinship with a black Brit, even though our races are entirely different.

I've always seen black Americans as a separate group from africans. I think they have more in common with white americans than with senegalese people

Do some research on Liberia the attempt at sending at former African-American slaves back to Africa.
Former wealthy African American became the wealthy Christian landowners and dominated the local pagan Africans.

[Rojava Free State]

Did you seriously not read what I said? Bro, ancient Egypt had people who looked middle eastern or European living alongside people who looked sub Saharan African and they had social cohesiveness. Ancient Rome had celts, italians, greeks, iberians, levantines, sub Saharan Africans and Anatolian people all in the same empire. These nations would look ppretty diverse and no one cared. Stop viewing the past through a modern lense

And Rome had no ethnic conflict? Tell me, how exactly did Rome fall again?

Because germanic people from outside the empire infiltrated it. It wasn't the middle eastern or black Romans who took it down. It was other Europeans who did.

Looks like race wasn't the factor that killed rome

[Purgatio]

Maybe that's you but stark and obvious phenotypical differences that are identifiable at first glance breed distrust and suspicion because as human beings we are prone towards tribalistic, in-group, out-group thinking, we want to feel part of and a sense of belonging with a people, a wider group, clearly-defined by asking who is and is not a part of said group. If you have different racial groups within the same location for long enough division and mistrust is sparked, as evidenced by human history and all the racial violence we've seen and race riots.

All the racial violence we have seen happened within the last few hundred years. you're once again basing your whole view on humanity based on 0.1% of humanity's existence

Which still doesn't disprove my point that multiracial and multiethnic communities are prone towards dissension, division and violence, as evidenced by inter-racial and inter-ethnic riots. Where's the harmony between these groups of people if racial tribalism and ethnic tribalism doesn't exist?

[Rojava Free State]

I've always seen black Americans as a separate group from africans. I think they have more in common with white americans than with senegalese people

Do some research on Liberia the attempt at sending at former African-American slaves back to Africa.
Former wealthy African American became the wealthy Christian landowners and dominated the local pagan Africans.

But wait, I thought racial homogeneity brings about harmony and peace and social cohesiveness? How could this happen?

[Purgatio]

And Rome had no ethnic conflict? Tell me, how exactly did Rome fall again?

Because germanic people from outside the empire infiltrated it. It wasn't the middle eastern or black Romans who took it down. It was other Europeans who did.

Looks like race wasn't the factor that killed rome

I never said race was the only factor. Again, I believe humans are prone towards racial and ethnic conflict, both. The existence of one doesn't disprove the other.

[Estanglia]

What an idiotic mentality.

There are people out there who feel a biological closeness to their blood relatives and extended family, is that an 'idiotic mentality' too?

No, because those people are actually related to you and close to you.

[Rojava Free State]

All the racial violence we have seen happened within the last few hundred years. you're once again basing your whole view on humanity based on 0.1% of humanity's existence

Which still doesn't disprove my point that multiracial and multiethnic communities are prone towards dissension, division and violence, as evidenced by inter-racial and inter-ethnic riots. Where's the harmony between these groups of people if racial tribalism and ethnic tribalism doesn't exist?

Because race is a division that only became a division recently. Once again, Puerto Rico is a very racially diverse area and most Puerto ricans get along just fine and we don't doubt our identity. We know who we are

[Purgatio]

I've always seen black Americans as a separate group from africans. I think they have more in common with white americans than with senegalese people

Do some research on Liberia the attempt at sending at former African-American slaves back to Africa.
Former wealthy African American became the wealthy Christian landowners and dominated the local pagan Africans.

Yes, religious differences mean racial differences aren't a thing.

Is it that hard to get that racial tribalism doesn't preclude the existence of religious tribalism?

[Purgatio]

Which still doesn't disprove my point that multiracial and multiethnic communities are prone towards dissension, division and violence, as evidenced by inter-racial and inter-ethnic riots. Where's the harmony between these groups of people if racial tribalism and ethnic tribalism doesn't exist?

Because race is a division that only became a division recently. Once again, Puerto Rico is a very racially diverse area and most Puerto ricans get along just fine and we don't doubt our identity. We know who we are

I've already given four studies proving my point that racial and ethnic diversity correlates with lower social capital and community trust, so your ancedotal experiences don't disprove that alone

[Rojava Free State]

Because germanic people from outside the empire infiltrated it. It wasn't the middle eastern or black Romans who took it down. It was other Europeans who did.

Looks like race wasn't the factor that killed rome

I never said race was the only factor. Again, I believe humans are prone towards racial and ethnic conflict, both. The existence of one doesn't disprove the other.

But racial conflict wasn't a thing back then and different "races" lived in rome. Clearly tribalism among mankind is an issue but it doesn't need to be racial and probably won't be in the next few hundred years

[Purgatio]

There are people out there who feel a biological closeness to their blood relatives and extended family, is that an 'idiotic mentality' too?

No, because those people are actually related to you and close to you.

And if I have a more proximate most common recent ancestor with a person of one race versus another, I am more closely-related to the former than the latter, it's the same principle

[Rojava Free State]

Because race is a division that only became a division recently. Once again, Puerto Rico is a very racially diverse area and most Puerto ricans get along just fine and we don't doubt our identity. We know who we are

I've already given four studies proving my point that racial and ethnic diversity correlates with lower social capital and community trust, so your ancedotal experiences don't disprove that alone

Anecdotal experience? Dude it's an entire island full of millions of people. All your studies said is that ethnic diversity causes tension. That island is proof that people of different races can form a common unifying identity and avoid that tension

[Necroghastia]

All the racial violence we have seen happened within the last few hundred years. you're once again basing your whole view on humanity based on 0.1% of humanity's existence

Which still doesn't disprove my point that multiracial and multiethnic communities are prone towards dissension, division and violence, as evidenced by inter-racial and inter-ethnic riots. Where's the harmony between these groups of people if racial tribalism and ethnic tribalism doesn't exist?

What makes you think such things are solely caused by ethnicity?

[Purgatio]

I never said race was the only factor. Again, I believe humans are prone towards racial and ethnic conflict, both. The existence of one doesn't disprove the other.

But racial conflict wasn't a thing back then and different "races" lived in rome. Clearly tribalism among mankind is an issue but it doesn't need to be racial and probably won't be in the next few hundred years

It doesn't have to be exclusively-racial is my point. But racial and ethnic tribalism is something that can be corrected if we are willing to build monoracial and monoethnic communities

[Estanglia]

No, because those people are actually related to you and close to you.

And if I have a more proximate most common recent ancestor with a person of one race versus another, I am more closely-related to the former than the latter, it's the same principle

But the distance is so far that to make it important is to act as if one grain of sand is equivalent to a beach.

[Purgatio]

Which still doesn't disprove my point that multiracial and multiethnic communities are prone towards dissension, division and violence, as evidenced by inter-racial and inter-ethnic riots. Where's the harmony between these groups of people if racial tribalism and ethnic tribalism doesn't exist?

What makes you think such things are solely caused by ethnicity?

Literally never suggested that. I feel like a broken record on this.

[Necroghastia]

No, because those people are actually related to you and close to you.

And if I have a more proximate most common recent ancestor with a person of one race versus another, I am more closely-related to the former than the latter, it's the same principle

How Freudian.

[Rojava Free State]

But racial conflict wasn't a thing back then and different "races" lived in rome. Clearly tribalism among mankind is an issue but it doesn't need to be racial and probably won't be in the next few hundred years

It doesn't have to be exclusively-racial is my point. But racial and ethnic tribalism is something that can be corrected if we are willing to build monoracial and monoethnic communities

We. DOnt. Need. Monoracial. Societies. You totally missed the point

We do need a unifying culture, but that doesn't mean we all have to look the same

[Purgatio]

And if I have a more proximate most common recent ancestor with a person of one race versus another, I am more closely-related to the former than the latter, it's the same principle

But the distance is so far that to make it important is to act as if one grain of sand is equivalent to a beach.

Not to me and not to anyone who has ever quick to believe a racial stereotype, or not want their child to marry someone of a different race, or who wants to live and work with people of the same race, the existence of racial prejudice is evidence that racial identity is alive and well in the human spirit

[Purgatio]

It doesn't have to be exclusively-racial is my point. But racial and ethnic tribalism is something that can be corrected if we are willing to build monoracial and monoethnic communities

We. DOnt. Need. Monoracial. Societies. You totally missed the point

We do need a unifying culture, but that doesn't mean we all have to look the same

How? By magic? Its not gonna happen dude because human history shows how tribalistic we are and you can't just will people to like each all of a sudden.