Michigan City Council Candidate: Keep Community white

[Purgatio]

The fact that we share more genetic similarities than differences is a fallacious argument, by that logic I shouldn't see humans differently from primates since we share lots of DNA. The reality is those small genetic differences matter. The fact that I have a more recent common ancestor with some races compared to others, matters.

Why does it matter? And yknow, technically you shouldn't see humans differently from primates, seeing as we are primates. If you mean other primates, I'll take you seriously on that when you can find an example of a viable human/[bonobo/gorilla/orangutan/etc.] offspring.

Which isn't the point, I was responding to the argument that because different racial groups share more genetic similarities than differences we should ignore the differences. No, because small genetic differences can be significant.

[Genivaria]

Why does it matter? And yknow, technically you shouldn't see humans differently from primates, seeing as we are primates. If you mean other primates, I'll take you seriously on that when you can find an example of a viable human/[bonobo/gorilla/orangutan/etc.] offspring.

Which isn't the point, I was responding to the argument that because different racial groups share more genetic similarities than differences we should ignore the differences. No, because small genetic differences can be significant.

Sure they can, but in this case are these genetic differences DIFFERENT ENOUGH to justify putting people on different legal standards?
That is the burden of proof that YOU have to meet first.

[Necroghastia]

Why does it matter? And yknow, technically you shouldn't see humans differently from primates, seeing as we are primates. If you mean other primates, I'll take you seriously on that when you can find an example of a viable human/[bonobo/gorilla/orangutan/etc.] offspring.

Which isn't the point, I was responding to the argument that because different racial groups share more genetic similarities than differences we should ignore the differences. No, because small genetic differences can be significant.

Depends on what you define as a "small" genetic difference. And again, why does "the fact that [you] have a more recent common ancestor with some races compared to others" matter?

[Rojava Free State]

Except race isn't the correct terminology for it (it's clinal variation), the fault lines between human variants are blurry and races really only differ based on apparence. Most other differences are based on culture

Which is why I'm in favour of both racial and ethnic homogeneity. I've never denied the power of cultural differences either, I think race, ethnicity and culture are powerful dividers and catalysts for tribalistic thinking and inclinations

Race based division is actually a recent development in history. No one really cared about it before the age of exploration and many societies had multiple different phenotypes within them I.E. The ancient egyptians, ancient rome, the Persian empire, the empire of Alexander the great etc

[Rojava Free State]

Why does it matter? And yknow, technically you shouldn't see humans differently from primates, seeing as we are primates. If you mean other primates, I'll take you seriously on that when you can find an example of a viable human/[bonobo/gorilla/orangutan/etc.] offspring.

Which isn't the point, I was responding to the argument that because different racial groups share more genetic similarities than differences we should ignore the differences. No, because small genetic differences can be significant.

I don't think they're significant enough to demand white people only marry whites

I saw a mixed race child yesterday and I can tell you they looked just fine. Race mixing doesn't cause harm unless you live in fantasyland and think that the minute a black and white person have children, it's literally the end of the world as we know it

[Purgatio]

Which is why I'm in favour of both racial and ethnic homogeneity. I've never denied the power of cultural differences either, I think race, ethnicity and culture are powerful dividers and catalysts for tribalistic thinking and inclinations

.....so you WANT to promote weakness and stagnation?

We've had this conversion before, I want social cohesion and higher community trust and there are myriad of studies supporting the view that social capital in a community falls as diversity increases. Here's just two of them

Costa and Kahn study of 2003 (http://web.mit.edu/costa/www/costa.kahn.1.4pdf.pdf), the Alesina and Ferrea study of 2005 (https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/002205105774431243) and Putnam's study of 2007 (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x) and the Laurence study of 2009 (https://academic.oup.com/esr/article-abstract/27/1/70/448535?redirectedFrom=fulltext)

[Purgatio]

Which isn't the point, I was responding to the argument that because different racial groups share more genetic similarities than differences we should ignore the differences. No, because small genetic differences can be significant.

Depends on what you define as a "small" genetic difference. And again, why does "the fact that [you] have a more recent common ancestor with some races compared to others" matter?

Because it means I share a closeness, a genetic kinship and filiation to members of my racial community than I do with others, we are talking about a people coming together to build a homeland and community of their own and for their stock and progeny

[Rojava Free State]

.....so you WANT to promote weakness and stagnation?

We've had this conversion before, I want social cohesion and higher community trust and there are myriad of studies supporting the view that social capital in a community falls as diversity increases. Here's just two of them

Costa and Kahn study of 2003 (http://web.mit.edu/costa/www/costa.kahn.1.4pdf.pdf), the Alesina and Ferrea study of 2005 (https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/002205105774431243) and Putnam's study of 2007 (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x) and the Laurence study of 2009 (https://academic.oup.com/esr/article-abstract/27/1/70/448535?redirectedFrom=fulltext)

Yes cultural division can cause disorder and a loss of trust

Once again, race was not a major dividing line before the age of African slavery in america. Back in the days of ancient rome, an Italian Roman would feel they had far more in common with a black roman than with a European Germanic or Celtic person

[Genivaria]

.....so you WANT to promote weakness and stagnation?

We've had this conversion before, I want social cohesion and higher community trust and there are myriad of studies supporting the view that social capital in a community falls as diversity increases. Here's just two of them

Costa and Kahn study of 2003 (http://web.mit.edu/costa/www/costa.kahn.1.4pdf.pdf), the Alesina and Ferrea study of 2005 (https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/002205105774431243) and Putnam's study of 2007 (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x) and the Laurence study of 2009 (https://academic.oup.com/esr/article-abstract/27/1/70/448535?redirectedFrom=fulltext)

I don't know what any of that has to do with what I asked.
Biological diversity leads to genetic variation which leads to a healthier gene pool.
'Purity' as a value in genetics is pure pseudo-science.

[Purgatio]

Which isn't the point, I was responding to the argument that because different racial groups share more genetic similarities than differences we should ignore the differences. No, because small genetic differences can be significant.

I don't think they're significant enough to demand white people only marry whites

I saw a mixed race child yesterday and I can tell you they looked just fine. Race mixing doesn't cause harm unless you live in fantasyland and think that the minute a black and white person have children, it's literally the end of the world as we know it

An individual example of mixed-race procreation is fallacious because if it happens in an isolated case it doesn't cause any real problems. But if everyone procreated with other races the bond of racial identity will be washed away overnight and a cohesive racial people eliminated within a generation. It's like how one or two cases of tax evasion won't hurt but everyone doing it would be catastrophic.

[Purgatio]

We've had this conversion before, I want social cohesion and higher community trust and there are myriad of studies supporting the view that social capital in a community falls as diversity increases. Here's just two of them

Costa and Kahn study of 2003 (http://web.mit.edu/costa/www/costa.kahn.1.4pdf.pdf), the Alesina and Ferrea study of 2005 (https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/002205105774431243) and Putnam's study of 2007 (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x) and the Laurence study of 2009 (https://academic.oup.com/esr/article-abstract/27/1/70/448535?redirectedFrom=fulltext)

I don't know what any of that has to do with what I asked.
Biological diversity leads to genetic variation which leads to a healthier gene pool.
'Purity' as a value in genetics is pure pseudo-science.

Except I'm not arguing for 'genetic purity', I'm arguing for racially and ethnically homogeneous societies and families because homogeneity is good for social cohesion

[Genivaria]

Depends on what you define as a "small" genetic difference. And again, why does "the fact that [you] have a more recent common ancestor with some races compared to others" matter?

Because it means I share a closeness, a genetic kinship and filiation to members of my racial community than I do with others, we are talking about a people coming together to build a homeland and community of their own and for their stock and progeny

What you fail to realize is that you don't have a 'racial community' outside of your fellow human primates.
....You're not part-elf are you?...I don't trust elves.

[Purgatio]

We've had this conversion before, I want social cohesion and higher community trust and there are myriad of studies supporting the view that social capital in a community falls as diversity increases. Here's just two of them

Costa and Kahn study of 2003 (http://web.mit.edu/costa/www/costa.kahn.1.4pdf.pdf), the Alesina and Ferrea study of 2005 (https://www.aeaweb.org/articles?id=10.1257/002205105774431243) and Putnam's study of 2007 (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9477.2007.00176.x) and the Laurence study of 2009 (https://academic.oup.com/esr/article-abstract/27/1/70/448535?redirectedFrom=fulltext)

Yes cultural division can cause disorder and a loss of trust

Once again, race was not a major dividing line before the age of African slavery in america. Back in the days of ancient rome, an Italian Roman would feel they had far more in common with a black roman than with a European Germanic or Celtic person

Because we did not have the degree of racial diversity we have today within concentrated cities and countries. The diversity of America's inner cities for example is not replicated in any part of America in the late 1700s or early 1800s.

[Genivaria]

I don't know what any of that has to do with what I asked.
Biological diversity leads to genetic variation which leads to a healthier gene pool.
'Purity' as a value in genetics is pure pseudo-science.

Except I'm not arguing for 'genetic purity', I'm arguing for racially and ethnically homogeneous societies and families because homogeneity is good for social cohesion

That's exactly what you're arguing for, don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining.

[Rojava Free State]

I don't think they're significant enough to demand white people only marry whites

I saw a mixed race child yesterday and I can tell you they looked just fine. Race mixing doesn't cause harm unless you live in fantasyland and think that the minute a black and white person have children, it's literally the end of the world as we know it

An individual example of mixed-race procreation is fallacious because if it happens in an isolated case it doesn't cause any real problems. But if everyone procreated with other races the bond of racial identity will be washed away overnight and a cohesive racial people eliminated within a generation. It's like how one or two cases of tax evasion won't hurt but everyone doing it would be catastrophic.

Or we will all identify with the culture of whatever nation we live in. Most Puerto ricans are mixed race and trust me, we have plenty of identity to coalesce around. Who cares about racial identity? WHo actually gives a shit? Do countries not exist anymore? Are religions gone? Did every town and city vanish? Are jobs no longer a thing? There are plenty of other things to identify with. I identify as plenty of things before identifying as a brown man and I see more kinship with a working class white person than with a rich Arab or Hispanic man

[Purgatio]

Because it means I share a closeness, a genetic kinship and filiation to members of my racial community than I do with others, we are talking about a people coming together to build a homeland and community of their own and for their stock and progeny

What you fail to realize is that you don't have a 'racial community' outside of your fellow human primates.
....You're not part-elf are you?...I don't trust elves.

There are certain people on this planet I have more proximate 'most recent common ancestor' with than others. That is my racial community and my tribe.

[Purgatio]

Except I'm not arguing for 'genetic purity', I'm arguing for racially and ethnically homogeneous societies and families because homogeneity is good for social cohesion

That's exactly what you're arguing for, don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining.

I've never argued anything of the sort you're putting words in my mouth. What I said was I wanted racially and ethnically homogeneous societies for the sake of social cohesion and community trust

[Genivaria]

What you fail to realize is that you don't have a 'racial community' outside of your fellow human primates.
....You're not part-elf are you?...I don't trust elves.

There are certain people on this planet I have more proximate 'most recent common ancestor' with than others. That is my racial community and my tribe.

What an idiotic mentality.

[Estanglia]

Depends on what you define as a "small" genetic difference. And again, why does "the fact that [you] have a more recent common ancestor with some races compared to others" matter?

Because it means I share a closeness, a genetic kinship and filiation to members of my racial community than I do with others, we are talking about a people coming together to build a homeland and community of their own and for their stock and progeny

It's odd that you feel a kinship based on race alone (unless by race you mean ethnicity).

I'd get culture, but race?

It might just be me, but I feel no inherent kinship with a Pole over a Cambodian or Nigerian, even if the Pole is of the same race as me.

But I would feel significantly more of a kinship with a black Brit, even though our races are entirely different.

[Rojava Free State]

Yes cultural division can cause disorder and a loss of trust

Once again, race was not a major dividing line before the age of African slavery in america. Back in the days of ancient rome, an Italian Roman would feel they had far more in common with a black roman than with a European Germanic or Celtic person

Because we did not have the degree of racial diversity we have today within concentrated cities and countries. The diversity of America's inner cities for example is not replicated in any part of America in the late 1700s or early 1800s.

Did you seriously not read what I said? Bro, ancient Egypt had people who looked middle eastern or European living alongside people who looked sub Saharan African and they had social cohesiveness. Ancient Rome had celts, italians, greeks, iberians, levantines, sub Saharan Africans and Anatolian people all in the same empire. These nations would look ppretty diverse and no one cared. Stop viewing the past through a modern lense

[Genivaria]

That's exactly what you're arguing for, don't piss in my ear and tell me it's raining.

I've never argued anything of the sort you're putting words in my mouth. What I said was I wanted racially and ethnically homogeneous societies for the sake of social cohesion and community trust

Wtf does 'racially and ethnically homogeneous societies' mean to exactly?

[Purgatio]

An individual example of mixed-race procreation is fallacious because if it happens in an isolated case it doesn't cause any real problems. But if everyone procreated with other races the bond of racial identity will be washed away overnight and a cohesive racial people eliminated within a generation. It's like how one or two cases of tax evasion won't hurt but everyone doing it would be catastrophic.

Or we will all identify with the culture of whatever nation we live in. Most Puerto ricans are mixed race and trust me, we have plenty of identity to coalesce around. Who cares about racial identity? WHo actually gives a shit? Do countries not exist anymore? Are religions gone? Did every town and city vanish? Are jobs no longer a thing? There are plenty of other things to identify with. I identify as plenty of things before identifying as a brown man and I see more kinship with a working class white person than with a rich Arab or Hispanic man

Maybe that's you but stark and obvious phenotypical differences that are identifiable at first glance breed distrust and suspicion because as human beings we are prone towards tribalistic, in-group, out-group thinking, we want to feel part of and a sense of belonging with a people, a wider group, clearly-defined by asking who is and is not a part of said group. If you have different racial groups within the same location for long enough division and mistrust is sparked, as evidenced by human history and all the racial violence we've seen and race riots.

[Necroghastia]

Depends on what you define as a "small" genetic difference. And again, why does "the fact that [you] have a more recent common ancestor with some races compared to others" matter?

Because it means I share a closeness, a genetic kinship and filiation to members of my racial community than I do with others, we are talking about a people coming together to build a homeland and community of their own and for their stock and progeny

Yeah, I dunno about you, but I don't think most people would describe themselves as "close" to anyone just because they're the same race (again, whatever the fuck that means.) It's definitely a personal feeling in any case, meaning it's not something that should be legislated upon.

also that sounds kinda incestuous given what we're discussing ngl

[Purgatio]

I've never argued anything of the sort you're putting words in my mouth. What I said was I wanted racially and ethnically homogeneous societies for the sake of social cohesion and community trust

Wtf does 'racially and ethnically homogeneous societies' mean to exactly?

Societies made up of one race and one ethnicity

[Rojava Free State]

Because it means I share a closeness, a genetic kinship and filiation to members of my racial community than I do with others, we are talking about a people coming together to build a homeland and community of their own and for their stock and progeny

It's odd that you feel a kinship based on race alone (unless by race you mean ethnicity).

I'd get culture, but race?

It might just be me, but I feel no inherent kinship with a Pole over a Cambodian or Nigerian, even if the Pole is of the same race as me.

But I would feel significantly more of a kinship with a black Brit, even though our races are entirely different.

I've always seen black Americans as a separate group from africans. I think they have more in common with white americans than with senegalese people