Michigan City Council Candidate: Keep Community white

[Neko-koku]

I would much prefer to see those statues stay up then see more statues of degenerates go up. At least the confederate leaders had some degree of honor unlike the people you lot idealize.

Honour? You mean like being literal slave traders?

As for your question...Having rap music blaring in the streets,

No particular relationship to skin colour, so far as I can tell.

having mosques on every street corner or hijabs wearing women present in the street.

The problem being?

That's with mentioning having all of those nausea inducing foreign "Restaurants" serving so called "food".

Food with actual taste being available does not impel you to eat it.

The bottom line is if you don't want to assimilate into the culture of a community, you have no place there.

You evidently have no desire to assimilate into the equality-based culture of the United States, so when are you going to leave and go to somewhere that better matches your values? The Islamic State seems like the closest match.

He isn't in America lmao

[Salandriagado]

That ship sailed literally millions of years ago.



The answer is "all of them". It's quite possible to discriminate against all groups at once.

So everyone enjoys the same conditions, obligations and rights under the law, regardless of race...where's the discrimination? Discrimination against everyone in the same way is a misnomer because discrimination implies unequal rights and obligations.

The white people are not able to marry the black people, whereas black people can, so the white people are discriminated against in this area. The black people are not able to marry the white people, whereas white people can, so the black people are discriminated against in this area.

[Purgatio]

So everyone enjoys the same conditions, obligations and rights under the law, regardless of race...where's the discrimination? Discrimination against everyone in the same way is a misnomer because discrimination implies unequal rights and obligations.

The white people are not able to marry the black people, whereas black people can, so the white people are discriminated against in this area. The black people are not able to marry the white people, whereas white people can, so the black people are discriminated against in this area.

Both the white person and black person are placed under the same legal obligation, no different from any other and regardless of race. Ergo, no racial discrimination under the law.

[Salandriagado]

The white people are not able to marry the black people, whereas black people can, so the white people are discriminated against in this area. The black people are not able to marry the white people, whereas white people can, so the black people are discriminated against in this area.

Both the white person and black person are placed under the same legal obligation, no different from any other and regardless of race. Ergo, no racial discrimination under the law.

No, they're placed under two different obligations: one is under the obligation "don't marry that white person", and the other is under the obligation "don't marry that black person".

[Rojava Free State]

1) You do realise the phrase 'equal discrimination' is a misnomer, right? It can't be discriminatory to lay down a rule that people in racial groups should marry or have children only within that racial group, because its a rule that does not discriminate against any specific racial group. Which racial group is experiencing discrimination under such a system where interracial marriage is illegal? You can't point to any one specific racial group that's suffering discrimination because the rule itself isn't discriminatory. Its not like its illegal for black people to marry outside their race but white people can marry anyone they want, that would be actual discrimination.

2) Yes, the fact that you have the right to reside in a neighbourhood reserved for your race makes it non-discriminatory because everyone, regardless of race, enjoys the same legal rights, namely (a) the right to live in a diverse neighbourhood or (b) if they choose, to live in a neighbourhood or community reserved for members of their own racial group. Ie everyone regardless of race enjoys these same two legal rights, ie the very opposite of racial discrimination.

It seems that we're using different definitions of discrimination.

From your logic, it seems that, as long as two groups of people have the same rights, there's no discrimination because a group of black people and a group of white people can do the same things (in this case, create a racially homogenous community).

But for me, two people being treated differently based on identity is discrimination. If a black man wanted to move to a white community but was blocked, that would be discrimination to me. It doesn't matter that there are black communities that the black man can move to that a white man couldn't. To types of people are being treated differently on identity, even though those two groups have the same legal rights. Thus, discrimination.

Or, more simply, you're looking at the society whilst I am looking at the individual.

Purgatio believes in separate but equal. We Americans know though that under that doctrine, society is not only separate but inherently unequal

[Rojava Free State]

Honour? You mean like being literal slave traders?



No particular relationship to skin colour, so far as I can tell.



The problem being?



Food with actual taste being available does not impel you to eat it.



You evidently have no desire to assimilate into the equality-based culture of the United States, so when are you going to leave and go to somewhere that better matches your values? The Islamic State seems like the closest match.

He isn't in America lmao

Are you telling me some dude that doesn't even live here thinks he has more of a right to this land than i, a born US citizen, does? Wow give me a break, I can't with this guy

[Purgatio]

Both the white person and black person are placed under the same legal obligation, no different from any other and regardless of race. Ergo, no racial discrimination under the law.

No, they're placed under two different obligations: one is under the obligation "don't marry that white person", and the other is under the obligation "don't marry that black person".

No, its “marry a person of the same race as you”, a condition for marriage that is equally imposed on all racial groups without distinction

[Purgatio]

It seems that we're using different definitions of discrimination.

From your logic, it seems that, as long as two groups of people have the same rights, there's no discrimination because a group of black people and a group of white people can do the same things (in this case, create a racially homogenous community).

But for me, two people being treated differently based on identity is discrimination. If a black man wanted to move to a white community but was blocked, that would be discrimination to me. It doesn't matter that there are black communities that the black man can move to that a white man couldn't. To types of people are being treated differently on identity, even though those two groups have the same legal rights. Thus, discrimination.

Or, more simply, you're looking at the society whilst I am looking at the individual.

Purgatio believes in separate but equal. We Americans know though that under that doctrine, society is not only separate but inherently unequal

It really isn’t inherently unequal so long as all races enjoy the same legal rights and obligations

[Necroghastia]

No, they're placed under two different obligations: one is under the obligation "don't marry that white person", and the other is under the obligation "don't marry that black person".

No, its “marry a person of the same race as you”, a condition for marriage that is equally imposed on all racial groups without distinction

How do you define "race"?

[Purgatio]

No, its “marry a person of the same race as you”, a condition for marriage that is equally imposed on all racial groups without distinction

How do you define "race"?

Ancestral population as defined by 'most recent common ancestor'. This study is a good example of the racial polyphyletism approach to human evolution (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7163193)

This one as well: (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5088/fdbe36a4d109a5bc542cac96789eb67eba7d.pdf)

[Estanglia]

No, they're placed under two different obligations: one is under the obligation "don't marry that white person", and the other is under the obligation "don't marry that black person".

No, its “marry a person of the same race as you”, a condition for marriage that is equally imposed on all racial groups without distinction

But, whilst the condition is equal, what that condition entails isn't.

Say, you tell two white people that they have to obey 'marry a person of the same race as you'. This places identical restrictions on them which causes the same effect: "You can only marry white people" or "You cannot marry non-white people".

But, if we swap one of the white people for a black person, the condition is the same but what that condition entails is different.

For the white person, "marry a person of the same race as you" becomes "You can only marry white people/You cannot marry nonwhite people".
For the black person, however, "marry a person of the same race as you" becomes "you can only marry black people/you cannot marry nonblack people", a different effect of an equal condition.

[Estanglia]

It seems that we're using different definitions of discrimination.

From your logic, it seems that, as long as two groups of people have the same rights, there's no discrimination because a group of black people and a group of white people can do the same things (in this case, create a racially homogenous community).

But for me, two people being treated differently based on identity is discrimination. If a black man wanted to move to a white community but was blocked, that would be discrimination to me. It doesn't matter that there are black communities that the black man can move to that a white man couldn't. To types of people are being treated differently on identity, even though those two groups have the same legal rights. Thus, discrimination.

Or, more simply, you're looking at the society whilst I am looking at the individual.

Purgatio believes in separate but equal. We Americans know though that under that doctrine, society is not only separate but inherently unequal

'Separate but equal' inevitably becomes 'separate but unequal'.

[The Republic of Fore]

Random irrelevant nobody said something stupid. People act like It's a major news story. News at 11.

[San Lumen]

Random irrelevant nobody said something stupid. People act like It's a major news story. News at 11.

It’s shocking to hear comments like this today. People like this need to be exposed

[Purgatio]

No, its “marry a person of the same race as you”, a condition for marriage that is equally imposed on all racial groups without distinction

But, whilst the condition is equal, what that condition entails isn't.

Say, you tell two white people that they have to obey 'marry a person of the same race as you'. This places identical restrictions on them which causes the same effect: "You can only marry white people" or "You cannot marry non-white people".

But, if we swap one of the white people for a black person, the condition is the same but what that condition entails is different.

For the white person, "marry a person of the same race as you" becomes "You can only marry white people/You cannot marry nonwhite people".
For the black person, however, "marry a person of the same race as you" becomes "you can only marry black people/you cannot marry nonblack people", a different effect of an equal condition.

But that's only on an individual level, on a group level there is no discrimination. Saying "you must pay 35% of your income to the government" is not legally-discriminatory because it imposes the same rule on everyone. The rule manifests differently depending on how much money you earn, but that doesn't render the rule itself discriminatory. Likewise, as long as every race is held to the same, equal legal standard of "you may only marry a person of the same race" then strictly-speaking there is no discrimination. Now, you might criticise the law on other grounds, maybe you think it interferes with people's personal marital lives too much, a legitimate point, but the fact is the law is neither racially-discriminatory nor does it subject races to unequal treatment in the eyes of the law.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Random irrelevant nobody said something stupid. People act like It's a major news story. News at 11.

It’s shocking to hear comments like this today. People like this need to be exposed

I have to ask.. if this is shocking news to you, what sheltered existence do you come from?

[The Republic of Fore]

Random irrelevant nobody said something stupid. People act like It's a major news story. News at 11.

It’s shocking to hear comments like this today. People like this need to be exposed

I'm fairly certain she already has been exposed, considering she's running for elected office.

[Rojava Free State]

How do you define "race"?

Ancestral population as defined by 'most recent common ancestor'. This study is a good example of the racial polyphyletism approach to human evolution (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7163193)

This one as well: (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5088/fdbe36a4d109a5bc542cac96789eb67eba7d.pdf)

Some folks define it differently than you though. That study lumps all Caucasians in as one race even though the category includes middle eastern, North African, latino and southeast European people, some of whom may not be considered "white."

race is a construct. We are all almost genetically the same, and the term race is used to refer to a species. We are all the same species though so we aren't separate races at all

[Rojava Free State]

It’s shocking to hear comments like this today. People like this need to be exposed

I have to ask.. if this is shocking news to you, what sheltered existence do you come from?

I've heard worse

[Purgatio]

Ancestral population as defined by 'most recent common ancestor'. This study is a good example of the racial polyphyletism approach to human evolution (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7163193)

This one as well: (https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5088/fdbe36a4d109a5bc542cac96789eb67eba7d.pdf)

Some folks define it differently than you though. That study lumps all Caucasians in as one race even though the category includes middle eastern, North African, latino and southeast European people, some of whom may not be considered "white."

race is a construct. We are all almost genetically the same, and the term race is used to refer to a species. We are all the same species though so we aren't separate races at all

The fact that we share more genetic similarities than differences is a fallacious argument, by that logic I shouldn't see humans differently from primates since we share lots of DNA. The reality is those small genetic differences matter. The fact that I have a more recent common ancestor with some races compared to others, matters.

[Rojava Free State]

Some folks define it differently than you though. That study lumps all Caucasians in as one race even though the category includes middle eastern, North African, latino and southeast European people, some of whom may not be considered "white."

race is a construct. We are all almost genetically the same, and the term race is used to refer to a species. We are all the same species though so we aren't separate races at all

The fact that we share more genetic similarities than differences is a fallacious argument, by that logic I shouldn't see humans differently from primates since we share lots of DNA. The reality is those small genetic differences matter. The fact that I have a more recent common ancestor with some races compared to others, matters.

Except race isn't the correct terminology for it (it's clinal variation), the fault lines between human variants are blurry and races really only differ based on apparence. Most other differences are based on culture

[Purgatio]

The fact that we share more genetic similarities than differences is a fallacious argument, by that logic I shouldn't see humans differently from primates since we share lots of DNA. The reality is those small genetic differences matter. The fact that I have a more recent common ancestor with some races compared to others, matters.

Except race isn't the correct terminology for it (it's clinal variation), the fault lines between human variants are blurry and races really only differ based on apparence. Most other differences are based on culture

Which is why I'm in favour of both racial and ethnic homogeneity. I've never denied the power of cultural differences either, I think race, ethnicity and culture are powerful dividers and catalysts for tribalistic thinking and inclinations

[Necroghastia]

Some folks define it differently than you though. That study lumps all Caucasians in as one race even though the category includes middle eastern, North African, latino and southeast European people, some of whom may not be considered "white."

race is a construct. We are all almost genetically the same, and the term race is used to refer to a species. We are all the same species though so we aren't separate races at all

The fact that we share more genetic similarities than differences is a fallacious argument, by that logic I shouldn't see humans differently from primates since we share lots of DNA. The reality is those small genetic differences matter. The fact that I have a more recent common ancestor with some races compared to others, matters.

Why does it matter? And yknow, technically you shouldn't see humans differently from primates, seeing as we are primates. If you mean other primates, I'll take you seriously on that when you can find an example of a viable human/[bonobo/gorilla/orangutan/etc.] offspring.

[Genivaria]

No, its “marry a person of the same race as you”, a condition for marriage that is equally imposed on all racial groups without distinction

How do you define "race"?

I would like this question answered by someone with a background in biology.

[Genivaria]

Except race isn't the correct terminology for it (it's clinal variation), the fault lines between human variants are blurry and races really only differ based on apparence. Most other differences are based on culture

Which is why I'm in favour of both racial and ethnic homogeneity. I've never denied the power of cultural differences either, I think race, ethnicity and culture are powerful dividers and catalysts for tribalistic thinking and inclinations

.....so you WANT to promote weakness and stagnation?