Michigan City Council Candidate: Keep Community white

[The Black Forrest]

Hmmm a nobody from a town few people knew existed has simple minded hateful antiquated views.

Dock the state whatever federal funds they get for their citizenship count if they put her racist views in place.

[Necroghastia]

You call this

a personal choice? I don't give a rat's ass about what she does herself, but why advocate for others to do the same?

You're allowed to advocate your preference for what you think marriage is about, and others can choose to agree or disagree. She's literally not forcing you to do anything. She views marriage as a racial union, for members of the same race to be joined together as one, if you disagree then just go live your life the way you prefer, what's the big deal? She's not calling for interracial marriage to be banned using the law, she's expressing her own belief that it's wrong, but who cares?

Why advocate it?

[Purgatio]

Segregation was mandatory for everyone, what I'm suggesting is free and voluntary association. People who want to live in racially diverse communities and neighbourhoods can just keep doing so if they like it so much.

You literally just argued for enforcing the homogeneity of a community. If that's not advocating for segregation then I don't know what is dude. I mean...Just wow.

Segregation is forcible and mandatory, but I'm not advocating breaking up diverse neighbourhoods and residential communities or segregating diverse and integrated schools. I'm giving people an option, individuals who'd rather not live in diverse communities should have a right to 'opt-out' and move to communities reserved for their own race, a right that will be given to everyone regardless of their race. The people who want to live in diverse communities can just stay where they are.

[Purgatio]

You're allowed to advocate your preference for what you think marriage is about, and others can choose to agree or disagree. She's literally not forcing you to do anything. She views marriage as a racial union, for members of the same race to be joined together as one, if you disagree then just go live your life the way you prefer, what's the big deal? She's not calling for interracial marriage to be banned using the law, she's expressing her own belief that it's wrong, but who cares?

Why advocate it?

Because marriage is one of those subjects where everyone has their own idea of what they believe a 'good marriage' is like and its normal to advocate your opinion. You can take it on its face and agree or disagree. You clearly disagree, that's fine. You don't have to follow her advice.

[Rojava Free State]

That is still discrimination though. Black people could still set up their own hair salons, bars and schools in the south but they were banned from the white ones, thus discriminated against. Same thing here

Dude there are minority groups in America that would be more than happy to set up their own racially-homogenous communities too. It's human nature to want to associate with people more like yourself, in terms of physical appearance and behaviour. Just look at the example of historically-black colleges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccZk_e3Tc5s

I think HBCs are archaic tbh. If you can't live around people who just happen to be a few shades darker than you, I legit think that's an issue. Culture is important to people and I understand that, but race? Oh no, dark skinned men with ancestors from Africa are having kids with light skinned northern European women. How horrible considering on a scale of danger that literally causes less problems than a cat spitting up a hair ball. Interracial marriage is such a non issue, it makes stepping on a Lego block look like the Taipeng rebellion

[The Black Forrest]

That is still discrimination though. Black people could still set up their own hair salons, bars and schools in the south but they were banned from the white ones, thus discriminated against. Same thing here

Dude there are minority groups in America that would be more than happy to set up their own racially-homogenous communities too. It's human nature to want to associate with people more like yourself, in terms of physical appearance and behaviour. Just look at the example of historically-black colleges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccZk_e3Tc5s

Now that is an excellent stretch for justification.

Those colleges would not exist if we had a color blind society.

[Korladis]

Yes, but here's the problem with your argument...Most of those neigborhoods barring a rare view have no issue with people not of that particular ethnic group settling within their community. By contrast what this woman is arguing for is not just a white community, but the right to turn away anyone who doesn't fit within her racially focused vision of her community. That is unacceptable in any first world country, let alone America.

Well a homogenous community won't stay homogenous for long if it can't be enforced. But that enforcement isn't discriminatory because, again, any non-white person turned away still has the right to form his own racially-homogenous community solely reserved for his racial group, so again every racial group has the same legal rights.

Right there...That is literally advocating for segregation.

[Rojava Free State]

You literally just argued for enforcing the homogeneity of a community. If that's not advocating for segregation then I don't know what is dude. I mean...Just wow.

Segregation is forcible and mandatory, but I'm not advocating breaking up diverse neighbourhoods and residential communities or segregating diverse and integrated schools. I'm giving people an option, individuals who'd rather not live in diverse communities should have a right to 'opt-out' and move to communities reserved for their own race, a right that will be given to everyone regardless of their race. The people who want to live in diverse communities can just stay where they are.

Except if Marysville says "no darkies allowed," it is forceful and mandatory. I don't care if you're willing to give me a brown people neighborhood. I have a right to live wherever I feel like living in america. This woman can shove it, she literally gets triggered when she sees a Mexican and white person holding hands

[Purgatio]

Dude there are minority groups in America that would be more than happy to set up their own racially-homogenous communities too. It's human nature to want to associate with people more like yourself, in terms of physical appearance and behaviour. Just look at the example of historically-black colleges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccZk_e3Tc5s

Now that is an excellent stretch for justification.

Those colleges would not exist if we had a color blind society.

The point is those African-Americans in that video are uncomfortable with the idea of non-African-Americans coming into what they regard as a community build for them and their people. I respect that, if that's how they want to run that college good for them. Why do you care?

[Purgatio]

Segregation is forcible and mandatory, but I'm not advocating breaking up diverse neighbourhoods and residential communities or segregating diverse and integrated schools. I'm giving people an option, individuals who'd rather not live in diverse communities should have a right to 'opt-out' and move to communities reserved for their own race, a right that will be given to everyone regardless of their race. The people who want to live in diverse communities can just stay where they are.

Except if Marysville says "no darkies allowed," it is forceful and mandatory. I don't care if you're willing to give me a brown people neighborhood. I have a right to live wherever I feel like living in america. This woman can shove it, she literally gets triggered when she sees a Mexican and white person holding hands

Who cares? Live your life the way you want. Let every race have the right to live in homogenous or diverse communities at their choosing. If a white-only neighbourhood won't let you live there it doesn't matter, you can live in a neighbourhood reserved for your race or a neighbourhood that is diverse and open to everyone. I'm all for maximising personal choice.

[Rojava Free State]

Now that is an excellent stretch for justification.

Those colleges would not exist if we had a color blind society.

The point is those African-Americans in that video are uncomfortable with the idea of non-African-Americans coming into what they regard as a community build for them and their people. I respect that, if that's how they want to run that college good for them. Why do you care?

They can do whatever they want, but they're still xenophobic idiots in my opinion. Also maybe if they actually got out and actually met white people more, you wouldn't have all this white devil bullshit being spewed from every corner of the internet

[Korladis]

Except if Marysville says "no darkies allowed," it is forceful and mandatory. I don't care if you're willing to give me a brown people neighborhood. I have a right to live wherever I feel like living in america. This woman can shove it, she literally gets triggered when she sees a Mexican and white person holding hands

Who cares? Live your life the way you want. Let every race have the right to live in homogenous or diverse communities at their choosing. If a white-only neighbourhood won't let you live there it doesn't matter, you can live in a neighbourhood reserved for your race or a neighbourhood that is diverse and open to everyone. I'm all for maximising personal choice.

Yeah no...Judging by what you've said/implied in your posts thus far, you're only advocating for personal choice for whites exclusively. Phrase it anyway you like, but it doesn't change the fact you're pushing racist ideals.

[Rojava Free State]

Except if Marysville says "no darkies allowed," it is forceful and mandatory. I don't care if you're willing to give me a brown people neighborhood. I have a right to live wherever I feel like living in america. This woman can shove it, she literally gets triggered when she sees a Mexican and white person holding hands

Who cares? Live your life the way you want. Let every race have the right to live in homogenous or diverse communities at their choosing. If a white-only neighbourhood won't let you live there it doesn't matter, you can live in a neighbourhood reserved for your race or a neighbourhood that is diverse and open to everyone. I'm all for maximising personal choice.

What? Dude you can't maximize personal choice by telling people they can't live somewhere cause they're black. I'm all for maximize personal choice too. Tell Betty Klansmen that if this country is becoming a little too dark for her taste, she can move to Eastern Europe. Poland is pretty white. She can go there and spew her stupid views to people who can't even understand what she's saying

[Purgatio]

The point is those African-Americans in that video are uncomfortable with the idea of non-African-Americans coming into what they regard as a community build for them and their people. I respect that, if that's how they want to run that college good for them. Why do you care?

They can do whatever they want, but they're still xenophobic idiots in my opinion. Also maybe if they actually got out and actually met white people more, you wouldn't have all this white devil bullshit being spewed from every corner of the internet

Xenophobia requires you to hate or fear other people. I don't think its hatred or contempt of other races to want to live with people who look like you, behave like you, and whom you share a closer bond with as a matter of kinship, filiation, stemming from a same racial descent and ancestry that forms an indelible connection between human beings. That's something beautiful and someone with a strong sense of racial identity and who feels strongly about that should have the ability to form a community and neighbourhood based on those ideals. People who disagree can live elsewhere. But having a strong racial identity doesn't mean you think other races are inherently inferior or less worthy of respect or unequal treatment in the eyes of the law.

[Purgatio]

Who cares? Live your life the way you want. Let every race have the right to live in homogenous or diverse communities at their choosing. If a white-only neighbourhood won't let you live there it doesn't matter, you can live in a neighbourhood reserved for your race or a neighbourhood that is diverse and open to everyone. I'm all for maximising personal choice.

Yeah no...Judging by what you've said/implied in your posts thus far, you're only advocating for personal choice for whites exclusively. Phrase it anyway you like, but it doesn't change the fact you're pushing racist ideals.

I know you haven't been here on NSG for long so can't really blame you for not knowing, but no, I'm not white. And no, I'm pushing for this choice for anyone from any racial group or community.

[Purgatio]

Who cares? Live your life the way you want. Let every race have the right to live in homogenous or diverse communities at their choosing. If a white-only neighbourhood won't let you live there it doesn't matter, you can live in a neighbourhood reserved for your race or a neighbourhood that is diverse and open to everyone. I'm all for maximising personal choice.

What? Dude you can't maximize personal choice by telling people they can't live somewhere cause they're black. I'm all for maximize personal choice too. Tell Betty Klansmen that if this country is becoming a little too dark for her taste, she can move to Eastern Europe. Poland is pretty white. She can go there and spew her stupid views to people who can't even understand what she's saying

And what if non-white people want to immigrate into Poland and Eastern Europe, you'd call them racist if they didn't let them into the country, yes? So it looks like in your world its impossible to 'choose' to build a racially-homogenous community anywhere. You've artificially taken one type of voluntary human association outside the spectrum of available options. That's the opposite of maximising personal choice.

[Rojava Free State]

They can do whatever they want, but they're still xenophobic idiots in my opinion. Also maybe if they actually got out and actually met white people more, you wouldn't have all this white devil bullshit being spewed from every corner of the internet

Xenophobia requires you to hate or fear other people. I don't think its hatred or contempt of other races to want to live with people who look like you, behave like you, and whom you share a closer bond with as a matter of kinship, filiation, stemming from a same racial descent and ancestry that forms an indelible connection between human beings. That's something beautiful and someone with a strong sense of racial identity and who feels strongly about that should have the ability to form a community and neighbourhood based on those ideals. People who disagree can live elsewhere. But having a strong racial identity doesn't mean you think other races are inherently inferior or less worthy of respect or unequal treatment in the eyes of the law.

If you didn't think other races were inferior then you wouldn't care if they moved into your area or married people of your race. People worry about blacks marrying whites cause of stupid shit like "Oh no our pure white genes are being degenerated by inferior blood!" Maybe I'm weird but I wake up in a town with many different kinds of people in it, and I don't feel remotely bothered. you could put me in a room full of black kids and I wouldn't feel out of the ordinary. I could be surrounded by Cambodian people and I wouldn't care.

[The Black Forrest]

Now that is an excellent stretch for justification.

Those colleges would not exist if we had a color blind society.

The point is those African-Americans in that video are uncomfortable with the idea of non-African-Americans coming into what they regard as a community build for them and their people. I respect that, if that's how they want to run that college good for them. Why do you care?

It’s simple really. The world doesn’t allow for isolationism anymore. Such societies that do exist are going extinct. There are only a couple left and even now they have interaction with the outside world.

The students speaking of community is the result of the past and even today the racist simple minded people like that City Council person.

If you want a such a community; no state or federal funds allowed. Taxation on outside goods and services are warranted as well.

[Korladis]

Yeah no...Judging by what you've said/implied in your posts thus far, you're only advocating for personal choice for whites exclusively. Phrase it anyway you like, but it doesn't change the fact you're pushing racist ideals.

I know you haven't been here on NSG for long so can't really blame you for not knowing, but no, I'm not white. And no, I'm pushing for this choice for anyone from any racial group or community.

It's not your skin color that's the problem dude...I could care less if you were white, black, hispanic, etc. My problem with you is that you can't seem to get it through your head that what you are proposing is at best just shy of de jure segregation, with at worst your views being borderline racist and segregationist. It may not sound like it you, but by pushing for the enforcement of racial standards for communities you are harking back to the policies of the Jim Crow era. It may seem like personal choice to you, but to any person with half a brain it reeks of racism/prejudice. As I said, I can understand wanting your own community but you can't just go around telling other races they can't live there/denying them residence and call it anything other than what it is(blatant racism and prejudice against others).

[Korladis]

Yeah no...Judging by what you've said/implied in your posts thus far, you're only advocating for personal choice for whites exclusively. Phrase it anyway you like, but it doesn't change the fact you're pushing racist ideals.

I know you haven't been here on NSG for long so can't really blame you for not knowing, but no, I'm not white. And no, I'm pushing for this choice for anyone from any racial group or community.

It's not your skin color that's the problem dude...I could care less if you were white, black, hispanic, etc. My problem with you is that you can't seem to get it through your head that what you are proposing is at best just shy of de jure segregation, with at worst your views being borderline racist and segregationist. It may not sound like it you, but by pushing for the enforcement of racial standards for communities you are harking back to the policies of the Jim Crow era. It may seem like personal choice to you, but to any person with half a brain it reeks of racism/prejudice. As I said, I can understand wanting your own community but you can't just go around telling other races they can't live there/denying them residence and call it anything other than what it is(blatant racism and prejudice against others). Again I'm not trying to be an asshole, but if you truly believe what you're saying then I honestly think you either need some help or to do some soul searching.

Sorry for the double post. There was an issue with my connection.

[Purgatio]

Xenophobia requires you to hate or fear other people. I don't think its hatred or contempt of other races to want to live with people who look like you, behave like you, and whom you share a closer bond with as a matter of kinship, filiation, stemming from a same racial descent and ancestry that forms an indelible connection between human beings. That's something beautiful and someone with a strong sense of racial identity and who feels strongly about that should have the ability to form a community and neighbourhood based on those ideals. People who disagree can live elsewhere. But having a strong racial identity doesn't mean you think other races are inherently inferior or less worthy of respect or unequal treatment in the eyes of the law.

If you didn't think other races were inferior then you wouldn't care if they moved into your area or married people of your race. People worry about blacks marrying whites cause of stupid shit like "Oh no our pure white genes are being degenerated by inferior blood!" Maybe I'm weird but I wake up in a town with many different kinds of people in it, and I don't feel remotely bothered. you could put me in a room full of black kids and I wouldn't feel out of the ordinary. I could be surrounded by Cambodian people and I wouldn't care.

The argument that opposing interracial marriage makes you racist literally makes no sense. Like, seriously, just work through it logically for a few seconds.

I'm told this woman is racist against, say, black people, because she wants white people to marry other white people (ie she doesn't want them marrying, say, a black person). Well, if that view makes her racist against black people...but, wait, she also wants black people to only marry other black people (ie she doesn't want them marrying non-blacks, like, say, white people), so by that same logic, she's also racist against white people. And she's also racist against Mexicans and Latinos and Asians and Native Americans, applying the same logic to all those cases.

It just makes no sense. Wanting people to marry members of their own race doesn't make you racist, and it doesn't mean you hate those races. There's no unequal treatment involved because its a worldview that believes each racial group should stick within their own people and community. You can disagree with her but I don't see any logical grounds for calling it racist.

[Purgatio]

I know you haven't been here on NSG for long so can't really blame you for not knowing, but no, I'm not white. And no, I'm pushing for this choice for anyone from any racial group or community.

It's not your skin color that's the problem dude...I could care less if you were white, black, hispanic, etc. My problem with you is that you can't seem to get it through your head that what you are proposing is at best just shy of de jure segregation, with at worst your views being borderline racist and segregationist. It may not sound like it you, but by pushing for the enforcement of racial standards for communities you are harking back to the policies of the Jim Crow era. It may seem like personal choice to you, but to any person with half a brain it reeks of racism/prejudice. As I said, I can understand wanting your own community but you can't just go around telling other races they can't live there/denying them residence and call it anything other than what it is(blatant racism and prejudice against others). Again I'm not trying to be an asshole, but if you truly believe what you're saying then I honestly think you either need some help or to do some soul searching.

How could I build a community for my own people if you won't allow me to keep it solely for my own people? Saying people are 'allowed' to form their own communities for their own people is a misnomer if you're gonna prohibit them from keeping it that way. Then you're not really offering them that choice in the first place, you're forcing diversity on everyone whether they want it or not.

[Korladis]

It's not your skin color that's the problem dude...I could care less if you were white, black, hispanic, etc. My problem with you is that you can't seem to get it through your head that what you are proposing is at best just shy of de jure segregation, with at worst your views being borderline racist and segregationist. It may not sound like it you, but by pushing for the enforcement of racial standards for communities you are harking back to the policies of the Jim Crow era. It may seem like personal choice to you, but to any person with half a brain it reeks of racism/prejudice. As I said, I can understand wanting your own community but you can't just go around telling other races they can't live there/denying them residence and call it anything other than what it is(blatant racism and prejudice against others). Again I'm not trying to be an asshole, but if you truly believe what you're saying then I honestly think you either need some help or to do some soul searching.

How could I build a community for my own people if you won't allow me to keep it solely for my own people? Saying people are 'allowed' to form their own communities for their own people is a misnomer if you're gonna prohibit them from keeping it that way. Then you're not really offering them that choice in the first place, you're forcing diversity on everyone whether they want it or not.

I'm not forcing diversity on you, but rather telling you that you can force people to stay away from your community without being racist. I don't know how I can make that any clearer to you.

[The Black Forrest]

What? Dude you can't maximize personal choice by telling people they can't live somewhere cause they're black. I'm all for maximize personal choice too. Tell Betty Klansmen that if this country is becoming a little too dark for her taste, she can move to Eastern Europe. Poland is pretty white. She can go there and spew her stupid views to people who can't even understand what she's saying

And what if non-white people want to immigrate into Poland and Eastern Europe, you'd call them racist if they didn't let them into the country, yes? So it looks like in your world its impossible to 'choose' to build a racially-homogenous community anywhere. You've artificially taken one type of voluntary human association outside the spectrum of available options. That's the opposite of maximising personal choice.

I am sure the Jews of Poland can tell you wonderful things about Polish attitudes.

[Purgatio]

How could I build a community for my own people if you won't allow me to keep it solely for my own people? Saying people are 'allowed' to form their own communities for their own people is a misnomer if you're gonna prohibit them from keeping it that way. Then you're not really offering them that choice in the first place, you're forcing diversity on everyone whether they want it or not.

I'm not forcing diversity on you, but rather telling you that you can force people to stay away from your community without being racist. I don't know how I can make that any clearer to you.

That is forcing diversity on me because it is precluding me from choosing to live in a homeland or neighbourhood of my own people and community. That's an option that is stripped from me without my consent. It's a type of human association that isn't an available option for me in your worldview. In my world, everyone of any race will have the freedom to choose to live in diverse neighbourhoods or neighbourhoods reserved for people like them alone. That's true equality and freedom of choice.