Michigan City Council Candidate: Keep Community white

[Loben The 2nd]

im pretty sure being non white (or non german for that matter) in germany from say....the late 1920s to the 1950s was kinda harmful to your personal health.

Yeah but that doesn't mean they weren't German.

were the germanic tribesmen nonwhite?

[Estanglia]

One, it depends upon how you define 'British' and 'German'.

Two, 'American' and 'British'/'German' are different as 'American' isn't an ethnicity.



A citizen of Britain/Germany/US? Sure.

British/German? Again, depends upon how you define the term.

I think they would consider themselves British or German. Just as someone born in the US who isnt white would consider themselves American

Sure, they might.

But, if they're not ethnically British/German, and one chooses to define those two by ethnicity, then they wouldn't be British/German.

Which seems to be the problem here. Loben and Telconi are defining it by ethnicity, you are defining it either by culture or by citizenship

[Telconi]

One, it depends upon how you define 'British' and 'German'.

Two, 'American' and 'British'/'German' are different as 'American' isn't an ethnicity.



A citizen of Britain/Germany/US? Sure.

British/German? Again, depends upon how you define the term.

I think they would consider themselves British or German. Just as someone born in the US who isnt white would consider themselves American

Are we now arguing that people are whatever ethnicity they consider themselves?

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Who cares what the nationalists think? I certainly dont and suspect many other dont. Those people are equally British or German as a white person just as African American is equally American as a white American. There is nothing inherently special about being white.

There were non whites in Britain and Germany long before 1945.
No it is. Someone who is black or brown who was born in the the UK, Germany or the US is equally a citizen as a white person

And a leatherback is as much a turtle as a box turtle, but that's irrelevant, like anyone's citizenship.

If you adopt the German language, customs, culture, and earn a citizenship legally, then you are a German citizen. Likewise, if you earn American citizenship legitimately and fully assimilate into American culture and adopt their values, language, customs and abide by their laws, then you are objectively an American citizen. Ain't nothing simpler than that.

And no amount of racialist bullshit will change the fact you are an American in this scenario, regardless of whether or not are you a natural-born. The only thing that changes for you is that you cannot run for POTUS if you were not born on U.S. soil, but other than that, if you have completed the naturalization process, then you can't get more American than that.

[San Lumen]

And a leatherback is as much a turtle as a box turtle, but that's irrelevant, like anyone's citizenship.

If you adopt the German language, customs, culture, and earn a citizenship legally, then you are a German citizen. Likewise, if you earn American citizenship legitimately and fully assimilate into American culture and adopt their values, language, customs and abide by their laws, then you are an American citizen. Ain't nothing simpler than that.

And no amount of racialist bullshit will change the fact you are an American in this scenario, regardless of whether or not are you a natural-born. The only thing that changes for you is that you cannot run for POTUS if you were not born on U.S. soil, but other than that, if you have completed the naturalization process, then you can't get more American than that.

You dont have to adopt customs to become a citizen. If you become a citizen or are born in the US you should have the right to reside in whatever community you want and to get back to the OP what this woman said is nothing short of bigoted and racist

[Estanglia]

And a leatherback is as much a turtle as a box turtle, but that's irrelevant, like anyone's citizenship.

If you adopt the German language, customs, culture, and earn a citizenship legally, then you are a German citizen.

But, if you weren't ethnically German, you wouldn't be German if you choose to define German by ethnicity (which Loben and Telconi seem to be doing).

[San Lumen]

If you adopt the German language, customs, culture, and earn a citizenship legally, then you are a German citizen.

But, if you weren't ethnically German, you wouldn't be German if you choose to define German by ethnicity (which Loben and Telconi seem to be doing).

Since when has being German, British or American been defied as white?

[Loben The 2nd]

If you adopt the German language, customs, culture, and earn a citizenship legally, then you are a German citizen.

But, if you weren't ethnically German, you wouldn't be German if you choose to define German by ethnicity (which Loben and Telconi seem to be doing).

its almost as if these nation states in europe were created for.....people of a certain ethnicity.

just what the fuck do you think German unification was about? Serbian independence from the ottomans?

[San Lumen]

But, if you weren't ethnically German, you wouldn't be German if you choose to define German by ethnicity (which Loben and Telconi seem to be doing).

its almost as if these nation states in europe were created for.....people of a certain ethnicity.

just what the fuck do you think German unification was about? Serbian independence from the ottomans?

They were not founded as white ethnostates just like the US wasn't

[Loben The 2nd]

But, if you weren't ethnically German, you wouldn't be German if you choose to define German by ethnicity (which Loben and Telconi seem to be doing).

Since when has being German, British or American been defied as white?

what?

[Telconi]

But, if you weren't ethnically German, you wouldn't be German if you choose to define German by ethnicity (which Loben and Telconi seem to be doing).

Since when has being German, British or American been defied as white?

Well American isn't an ethnic group, and since pretty much forever.

[Loben The 2nd]

its almost as if these nation states in europe were created for.....people of a certain ethnicity.

just what the fuck do you think German unification was about? Serbian independence from the ottomans?

They were not founded as white ethnostates just like the US wasn't

they were founded as German and Serbian ethnostates.

the latter are *furiously* violent about that. Poland too.

[Estanglia]

But, if you weren't ethnically German, you wouldn't be German if you choose to define German by ethnicity (which Loben and Telconi seem to be doing).

Since when has being German, British or American been defied as white?

I wasn't talking about them being defined as white.

America is a different situation because of the history of the country, but there is a German ethnicity (not so much for British), thus you can define 'German' as 'being of German descent/ethnicity'.

The fact that the German ethnicity is racially white is irrelevant.

[Loben The 2nd]

why the focus on germany lumen?

[Estanglia]

its almost as if these nation states in europe were created for.....people of a certain ethnicity.

just what the fuck do you think German unification was about? Serbian independence from the ottomans?

They were not founded as white ethnostates just like the US wasn't

They were founded as ethnostates (if you count 'created for a particular ethnicity' as an ethnostate), just not for whites in general.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

If you adopt the German language, customs, culture, and earn a citizenship legally, then you are a German citizen.

But, if you weren't ethnically German, you wouldn't be German if you choose to define German by ethnicity (which Loben and Telconi seem to be doing).

Good thing Jus Sanguinis (Right of blood) or leges sanguinis isn't the only way to classify or grant someone citizenship or nationality then.

[Telconi]

But, if you weren't ethnically German, you wouldn't be German if you choose to define German by ethnicity (which Loben and Telconi seem to be doing).

Good thing Jus Sanguinis (Right of blood) isn't the only way to classify or grant someone citizenship or nationality then.

Rather it is or isn't doesn't matter as citizenship doesn't define ethnic identity. If I leave the United states and become a Congolese citizen, my ethnicity remains unchanged. Likewise, if a Congolese person goes to London and becomes a British citizen, they do not suddenly become an ethnic Briton.

[San Lumen]

Good thing Jus Sanguinis (Right of blood) isn't the only way to classify or grant someone citizenship or nationality then.

Rather it is or isn't doesn't matter as citizenship doesn't define ethnic identity. If I leave the United states and become a Congolese citizen, my ethnicity remains unchanged. Likewise, if a Cobgolese person goes to London and becomes a british citizen, they do not suddenly become an ethnic Briton.

They are British though just like if someone from Liberia comes to the US becomes a citizen and becomes mayor of their city.

[Estanglia]

Rather it is or isn't doesn't matter as citizenship doesn't define ethnic identity. If I leave the United states and become a Congolese citizen, my ethnicity remains unchanged. Likewise, if a Cobgolese person goes to London and becomes a british citizen, they do not suddenly become an ethnic Briton.

They are British though just like if someone from Liberia comes to the US becomes a citizen and becomes mayor of their city.

By citizenship, yes.

By ethnicity, as Telconi defined it, no.

[Telconi]

Rather it is or isn't doesn't matter as citizenship doesn't define ethnic identity. If I leave the United states and become a Congolese citizen, my ethnicity remains unchanged. Likewise, if a Cobgolese person goes to London and becomes a british citizen, they do not suddenly become an ethnic Briton.

They are British though just like if someone from Liberia comes to the US becomes a citizen and becomes mayor of their city.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that ethnic identity is defined by national citizenship, like do you honestly believe that?

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

They are British though just like if someone from Liberia comes to the US becomes a citizen and becomes mayor of their city.

By citizenship, yes.

By ethnicity, as Telconi defined it, no.

Being classified as British, German, American, French, or Spanish is defined in accordance with one's legal citizenship, not their race, otherwise, a good part of American society would have become complete foreigners and disenfranchised despite having formal citizenship, or a good portion of French and German society for that matter.

[Estanglia]

Good thing Jus Sanguinis (Right of blood) isn't the only way to classify or grant someone citizenship or nationality then.

Rather it is or isn't doesn't matter as citizenship doesn't define ethnic identity. If I leave the United states and become a Congolese citizen, my ethnicity remains unchanged. Likewise, if a Congolese person goes to London and becomes a British citizen, they do not suddenly become an ethnic Briton.

'British' is a bit of a weird one, considering that there is no unified British ethnicity (unless you count the Celtic Britons), though each constituent part does have their own separate ethnicity (Welsh for Wales, English for England, Scottish for Scotland, Irish for Northern Ireland).

Though swap "British" for "German" or "English" and you'd be correct.

[Telconi]

Rather it is or isn't doesn't matter as citizenship doesn't define ethnic identity. If I leave the United states and become a Congolese citizen, my ethnicity remains unchanged. Likewise, if a Congolese person goes to London and becomes a British citizen, they do not suddenly become an ethnic Briton.

'British' is a bit of a weird one, considering that there is no unified British ethnicity (unless you count the Celtic Britons), though each constituent part does have their own separate ethnicity (Welsh for Wales, English for England, Scottish for Scotland, Irish for Northern Ireland).

Though swap "British" for "German" or "English" and you'd be correct.

British could certainly be an ethnic group though, I'm Portuguese, my ethnic identity could be also defined as "Iberian" along with Spaniards.

[Ostroeuropa]

Shockingly no mention of the simultaneous creation of Jamal and Lashondra.

God created white people. *nod*

Legit, there's passages that imply Adam and Eve are gods children but that other people also existed beforehand. This is used by some theocratic racists to argue that there are some races which are not gods children in the same sense that Adam and Eve are, usually they go by the old school racial categorization and say;

"Well look, the middle east is where it all went down, and they are Caucasians. So everyone else is more like animals, kay?".

Though I expect if you tried to whip out a 19th century racial biology chart and explain to white supremacists that the man in the red coat with the big moustache already did an extreme amount of "Race realism" biology, hundreds of years of it, and concluded that "White" isn't a thing and never was, but "Caucasian" is, and it includes Arabs, Pakistanis, North Africans and Indians, they'd lose their shit with you.

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[San Lumen]

Lets get this back on topic with the bigoted comments of wanting only white people in your town. If your a citizen or born in the the US you should have the right to reside in whatever community you want regardless of race and that being against interracial marriage is bigoted and absurd.