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Postby Liriena » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:50 am

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Liriena wrote:Tbh, I may not be a Marxist-Leninist, but the Democratic Party suddenly transforming into a communist vanguard party would at least make them a lot cooler and a lot more baddass than they currently are.

And give up every seat in the House and Senate, and lose all hope of ever getting another President

Don't underestimate the allure of revolutionary aesthetics ;)
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:51 am

Darussalam wrote:
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*Neoconservatives.

Populist right-wingers dislike the Koch brothers, seeing as they lobby for more immigration. They're the anti-tax version of George Soros.

The left as usual is blind to the differences in the right. The latter is mostly just opposition for the left - this opposition comes from a lot of sides, but obviously Proud Boy ethnonationalists revere the Kochs' lobbying for liberal immigration, because they're secretly working together or something.


Luckily, ground level right-wingers are starting to realize that multinational corporations are not their friends. The tech censorship was a big wakeup call.
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Postby Darussalam » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:55 am

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Darussalam wrote:The left as usual is blind to the differences in the right. The latter is mostly just opposition for the left - this opposition comes from a lot of sides, but obviously Proud Boy ethnonationalists revere the Kochs' lobbying for liberal immigration, because they're secretly working together or something.


Luckily, ground level right-wingers are starting to realize that multinational corporations are not their friends. The tech censorship was a big wakeup call.

Unfortunately, ground level right-wingers are not very high-IQ people.
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Postby Neko-koku » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:55 am

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Darussalam wrote:The left as usual is blind to the differences in the right. The latter is mostly just opposition for the left - this opposition comes from a lot of sides, but obviously Proud Boy ethnonationalists revere the Kochs' lobbying for liberal immigration, because they're secretly working together or something.


Luckily, ground level right-wingers are starting to realize that multinational corporations are not their friends. The tech censorship was a big wakeup call.


I think the main issue here is again the fact that "left" and "right" are completely unclear terms.

>Luckily, ground level White Nationalists and traditionalists are starting to realize that multinational corporations are not their friends. The tech censorship was a big wakeup call.

Much better.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:56 am

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Aureumterra wrote:And give up every seat in the House and Senate, and lose all hope of ever getting another President

Don't underestimate the allure of revolutionary aesthetics ;)

Every “anti-establishment” political tries to seem revolutionary, sometimes it works like with Trump, but many times you just get tagged an extremist (also like with Trump, funnily enough)
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:57 am

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Luckily, ground level right-wingers are starting to realize that multinational corporations are not their friends. The tech censorship was a big wakeup call.

Unfortunately, ground level right-wingers are not very high-IQ people.


The ground-level people of any political movement are usually retarded or at the very least lazy, but I think a lot of them are just uninterested.
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Postby Neko-koku » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:57 am

Darussalam wrote:
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Luckily, ground level right-wingers are starting to realize that multinational corporations are not their friends. The tech censorship was a big wakeup call.

Unfortunately, ground level right-wingers White Nationalists and traditionalists are not very high-IQ people.

Please be precise. They have high asabiyyah and are relatively high TFR, just like conservative Muslims in the Middle East.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:57 am

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Liriena wrote:Don't underestimate the allure of revolutionary aesthetics ;)

Every “anti-establishment” political tries to seem revolutionary, sometimes it works like with Trump, but many times you just get tagged an extremist (also like with Trump, funnily enough)


Revolutionary aesthetics usually precede revolution.

Revolution in America means at least 50 million dead.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:58 am

Whatever good he did was outweighed by the Koch brothers' efforts to hamper environmental initiatives and promote climate change denialism. Neither of them will be remembered positively by future generations, if they are remembered at all.
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Postby Aureumterra » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:58 am

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Darussalam wrote:The left as usual is blind to the differences in the right. The latter is mostly just opposition for the left - this opposition comes from a lot of sides, but obviously Proud Boy ethnonationalists revere the Kochs' lobbying for liberal immigration, because they're secretly working together or something.


Luckily, ground level right-wingers are starting to realize that multinational corporations are not their friends. The tech censorship was a big wakeup call.

Since both sides are getting anti-corporate, I’m worried the mainstream right will end up fascistic again
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Postby New Bremerton » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:59 am

One less prominent scapegoat for antisemites to latch onto, it seems. But they'll find a replacement. They always do.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:59 am

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Luckily, ground level right-wingers are starting to realize that multinational corporations are not their friends. The tech censorship was a big wakeup call.

Since both sides are getting anti-corporate, I’m worried the mainstream right will end up fascistic again


History shows that anti-corporate, populist right-wing politics in America tend to be inward-looking and isolationist.

It is the warmongering neoliberals and neoconservatives that have more in common with fascism.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:01 am

New Bremerton wrote:One less prominent scapegoat for antisemites to latch onto, it seems. But they'll find a replacement. They always do.


I believe the Kochs are Presbyterian.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:03 am

Liriena wrote:Also, how the fuck is Kissinger still alive? Is he a vampire?


Yes.

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Postby Neko-koku » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:04 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:Whatever good he did was outweighed by the Koch brothers' efforts to hamper environmental initiatives and promote climate change denialism. Neither of them will be remembered positively by future generations, if they are remembered at all.

That sucks.
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Liriena wrote:Also, how the fuck is Kissinger still alive? Is he a vampire? Does he get his nourishment from genocides?


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Postby Side 3 » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:06 am

Well that sucks for his family, I guess. He was kind of shady in my opinion, though.
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:09 am

Zurkerx wrote:He would be most remembered for a few things: his philanthropy for giving to medical research, the arts, establishing the David H. Koch Charitable Foundation, education donations, and prison reform.

It's not philanthropy if it's done for the tax writeoff.
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Postby Fahran » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:09 am

I pray that he rests peacefully. My thoughts and prayers are with his family as well. Losing a loved one is never easy, especially not when the responses have been so gleefully ugly. He did quite a lot for philanthropy and, despite his unpopular politics, seems to have been a relatively decent man.

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:It's not philanthropy if it's done for the tax writeoff.

That's not how that works.
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Postby Darussalam » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:11 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Darussalam wrote:Unfortunately, ground level right-wingers are not very high-IQ people.


The ground-level people of any political movement are usually retarded or at the very least lazy, but I think a lot of them are just uninterested.

No, they're dumb. So it's far better to bet with multinational corporations at any case. At least a looting mob orgy won't be the norm under the formalized AI-Wokecracy.
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Darussalam wrote:Unfortunately, ground level right-wingers [b]White Nationalists and traditionalists are not very high-IQ people[/b].

Please be precise. They have high asabiyyah and are relatively high TFR, just like conservative Muslims in the Middle East.

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Bear Stearns wrote:History shows that anti-corporate, populist right-wing politics in America tend to be inward-looking and isolationist.

It is the warmongering neoliberals and neoconservatives that have more in common with fascism.

19th century imperialism =/= fascism. Colonialism is the original open border and its benefits show to us the benefits of open border. Fascism is looking inward.
Old Tyrannia wrote:Whatever good he did was outweighed by the Koch brothers' efforts to hamper environmental initiatives and promote climate change denialism. Neither of them will be remembered positively by future generations, if they are remembered at all.

You could cut them some slack considering that environmental activism is unfortunately mostly just deceptive signaling for something else. Environmental policies in democracies are generally driven by hysteria as opposed to coherent policymaking. Climate change is real but a lot of unreal things are being strawmanned into it and used as a drive for other set of policies, either consciously or just as a natural result of democratic arbitration. Green New Deal comes to mind. The more recent rage for Amazon fires - nevermind that NASA noted that it was actually slightly below average when compared to the last 15 years, there are just more frequent small fires - that is obviously a political drivel directed against the Brazilian government is another.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:35 am

Darussalam wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
*Neoconservatives.

Populist right-wingers dislike the Koch brothers, seeing as they lobby for more immigration. They're the anti-tax version of George Soros.

The left as usual is blind to the differences in the right. The latter is mostly just opposition for the left - this opposition comes from a lot of sides, but obviously Proud Boy ethnonationalists revere the Kochs' lobbying for liberal immigration, because they're secretly working together or something.

Me, me the fool: "David Koch famously funded right wing things"
You, an intellectual: "Actually he only funded some right wing things. Typical ignorant left."
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Urgh. I hate it when news programmes chuck in a feel good story at the end to cheer you up. So transparent.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:40 am

Ifreann wrote:
Darussalam wrote:The left as usual is blind to the differences in the right. The latter is mostly just opposition for the left - this opposition comes from a lot of sides, but obviously Proud Boy ethnonationalists revere the Kochs' lobbying for liberal immigration, because they're secretly working together or something.

Me, me the fool: "David Koch famously funded right wing things"
You, an intellectual: "Actually he only funded some right wing things. Typical ignorant left."


No, it's more that he also funded things that many right-wingers strongly oppose.
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:41 am

Fahran wrote:I pray that he rests peacefully. My thoughts and prayers are with his family as well. Losing a loved one is never easy, especially not when the responses have been so gleefully ugly. He did quite a lot for philanthropy and, despite his unpopular politics, seems to have been a relatively decent man.

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:It's not philanthropy if it's done for the tax writeoff.

That's not how that works.

Maybe not in your country, but in the US that's exactly how it works.
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