Atheism Discussion Thread:Tipping the Fedora

[The Huskar Social Union]

Been a staunch atheist and been keeping it a secret from my family since 4th grade. Funnily enough I have no clue what convinced me that theres no god back then.

I don't get not telling your family. I mean what's to hide? Your beliefs are part of who you are, and if they can't handle that then their not really family, are they? It's really not healthy to lie constantly imo. Whatever tho, you do you.

Some people react very badly to members of their family not following the same religion as them.

Going as far as kicking that person out of the house or using emotional or physical violence against them.

[Medwind]

And how can you be certain of this exactly?

Because any logical argument made for the existence of one god is necessarily going to fit for the existence of other gods, if you tweak it a bit. Whether or not gods exist or not is a question, but if they exist, it is logically impossible for there to be "one" and "only one".

Eh, I don't see it. How is it logically impossible? Just because you might be able to use similar arguments for one God as you would another, doesn't mean that there isn't just one God. That's not proof.

[Medwind]

I don't get not telling your family. I mean what's to hide? Your beliefs are part of who you are, and if they can't handle that then their not really family, are they? It's really not healthy to lie constantly imo. Whatever tho, you do you.

Some people react very badly to members of their family not following the same religion as them.

Going as far as kicking that person out of the house or using emotional or physical violence against them.

I've already seen that response, and already addressed it broski

[North German Realm]

Because any logical argument made for the existence of one god is necessarily going to fit for the existence of other gods, if you tweak it a bit. Whether or not gods exist or not is a question, but if they exist, it is logically impossible for there to be "one" and "only one".

Eh, I don't see it. How is it logically impossible? Just because you might be able to use similar arguments for one God as you would another, doesn't mean that there isn't just one God. That's not proof.

Sure it does. The existence of god, by definition, can not be proven. The best we can do is provide arguments on why it does (or does not) exist. If you use an argument to suggest that "therefore THIS god exists", you can use the same argument (with a few changes) to suggest that "Therefore THIS god exists too". Any argument to say "Only this god can exist" is by definition illogical, and thus if you "prove" one god exists, the same argument proves the existence of other gods. That's why monotheism is illogical (and the only thing you can with certainty know is simply wrong), it shoves its own head in the snow.

[Alvecia]

Some people react very badly to members of their family not following the same religion as them.

Going as far as kicking that person out of the house or using emotional or physical violence against them.

I've already seen that response, and already addressed it broski

>Not wanting to get rejected by the people you love, having them physically and/or emotionally abuse you, and potentially losing your home, your possessions, and any form of liquidity and/or income
>"Coward"

Yeah, addressed, sure.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Some people react very badly to members of their family not following the same religion as them.

Going as far as kicking that person out of the house or using emotional or physical violence against them.

I've already seen that response, and already addressed it broski

You called people cowards for not wanting to endanger their fucking lives and their livleyhoods at the hands of their family members.

You addressed fuck all.

[Sensorland]

Some people react very badly to members of their family not following the same religion as them.

Going as far as kicking that person out of the house or using emotional or physical violence against them.

I've already seen that response, and already addressed it broski

Your "addressing" of that was... underwhelming. It's not cowardice to not want to provoke people you care about due to their misconceptions of atheism.

[Jolthig]

Ex-atheist turned Muslim here.

[Medwind]

I've already seen that response, and already addressed it broski

Your "addressing" of that was... underwhelming. It's not cowardice to not want to provoke people you care about due to their misconceptions of atheism.

I've already seen that response, and already addressed it broski

You called people cowards for not wanting to endanger their fucking lives and their livleyhoods at the hands of their family members.

You addressed fuck all.

I've already seen that response, and already addressed it broski

>Not wanting to get rejected by the people you love, having them physically and/or emotionally abuse you, and potentially losing your home, your possessions, and any form of liquidity and/or income
>"Coward"

Yeah, addressed, sure.

If thats the reaction you recieve then those people obviously don't love you, and it's best to remove yourself from that situation as soon as your financially or legally able, and then tell them, as I've already said. Why continue living a lie for people who would turn on you like that? Yes, I've addressed it, people getting their feelings hurt by the use of the word cowardice, oh well, maybe a poor choice of words.

Eh, I don't see it. How is it logically impossible? Just because you might be able to use similar arguments for one God as you would another, doesn't mean that there isn't just one God. That's not proof.

Sure it does. The existence of god, by definition, can not be proven. The best we can do is provide arguments on why it does (or does not) exist. If you use an argument to suggest that "therefore THIS god exists", you can use the same argument (with a few changes) to suggest that "Therefore THIS god exists too". Any argument to say "Only this god can exist" is by definition illogical, and thus if you "prove" one god exists, the same argument proves the existence of other gods. That's why monotheism is illogical (and the only thing you can with certainty know is simply wrong), it shoves its own head in the snow.

Eh, I don't see how you've disproved anything. Firstly, as you said you can't prove the existence of God as of yet, so all arguments for religion are based off of faith. Why would paganism be better suited to being correct over monotheism? Either God exists, or multiple Gods exist, or no Gods exist etc. it doesn't matter the argument used it either is or isn't, not sure if I'm articulating in an easy to understand way.

[Sensorland]

Ex-atheist turned Muslim here.

That's interesting. How did that happen?

[North German Realm]

Sure it does. The existence of god, by definition, can not be proven. The best we can do is provide arguments on why it does (or does not) exist. If you use an argument to suggest that "therefore THIS god exists", you can use the same argument (with a few changes) to suggest that "Therefore THIS god exists too". Any argument to say "Only this god can exist" is by definition illogical, and thus if you "prove" one god exists, the same argument proves the existence of other gods. That's why monotheism is illogical (and the only thing you can with certainty know is simply wrong), it shoves its own head in the snow.

Eh, I don't see how you've disproved anything. Firstly, as you said you can't prove the existence of God as of yet, so all arguments for religion are based off of faith. Why would paganism be better suited to being correct over monotheism? Either God exists, or multiple Gods exist, or no Gods exist etc. it doesn't matter the argument used it either is or isn't, not sure if I'm articulating in an easy to understand way.

I'm not arguing about the merits of a personal god. I'm talking about the logic behind the existence of gods. Whether or not gods exist in general (I can't answer that. I don't know.) is not the same as whether there is "One God". The logic behind the existence of any supreme being is shaky at best, but the argument that "only one supreme being can exist" is illogical by its very nature. When you make an argument on why a god should exist, but don't extend it to the gods you don't want to exist (say, when you argue that God exists but Zeus, Odin, Set, etc. don't) you're intentionally suspending your use of logic. At least in my opinion.

[Medwind]

Eh, I don't see how you've disproved anything. Firstly, as you said you can't prove the existence of God as of yet, so all arguments for religion are based off of faith. Why would paganism be better suited to being correct over monotheism? Either God exists, or multiple Gods exist, or no Gods exist etc. it doesn't matter the argument used it either is or isn't, not sure if I'm articulating in an easy to understand way.

I'm not arguing about the merits of a personal god. I'm talking about the logic behind the existence of gods. Whether or not gods exist in general (I can't answer that. I don't know.) is not the same as whether there is "One God". The logic behind the existence of any supreme being is shaky at best, but the argument that "only one supreme being can exist" is illogical by its very nature. When you make an argument on why a god should exist, but don't extend it to the gods you don't want to exist (say, when you argue that God exists but Zeus, Odin, Set, etc. don't) you're intentionally suspending your use of logic. At least in my opinion.

Well, the argument is based off of religious doctrine, so if God exists, according to him he is the only God, and he also never lies, so in that case there can be no other Gods. I agree with you in that if there can be one there *theoretically* could be more than one, but if you follow an abrahamic religion then you believe there is only one, and just because it's possible that there could have been more doesn't mean there actually are more. Y'know what I'm saying? Idk, I just don't see it.

[Alvecia]

Your "addressing" of that was... underwhelming. It's not cowardice to not want to provoke people you care about due to their misconceptions of atheism.

You called people cowards for not wanting to endanger their fucking lives and their livleyhoods at the hands of their family members.

You addressed fuck all.

>Not wanting to get rejected by the people you love, having them physically and/or emotionally abuse you, and potentially losing your home, your possessions, and any form of liquidity and/or income
>"Coward"

Yeah, addressed, sure.

If thats the reaction you recieve then those people obviously don't love you, and it's best to remove yourself from that situation as soon as your financially or legally able, and then tell them, as I've already said. Why continue living a lie for people who would turn on you like that? Yes, I've addressed it, people getting their feelings hurt by the use of the word cowardice, oh well, maybe a poor choice of words.

The funny thing about humans is that we can be very contradictory. The people who kick you out could very well love you, while at the same time being horrible to you.
Similarly, you can still love someone who was and is horrible to you. Love is illogical like that.

To some it's a cost/benefit thing, as dispassionate as that sounds. Is revealing their beliefs (or lack thereof) worth losing everything they hold dear. For many, the answer is no.

Removing oneself from the situation as soon as you're financially and/or legally able is a big problem as well. Often time, the people who get kicked out aren't in that position, so you must continue to "live a lie" until they are in that position.

[Alvecia]

I'm not arguing about the merits of a personal god. I'm talking about the logic behind the existence of gods. Whether or not gods exist in general (I can't answer that. I don't know.) is not the same as whether there is "One God". The logic behind the existence of any supreme being is shaky at best, but the argument that "only one supreme being can exist" is illogical by its very nature. When you make an argument on why a god should exist, but don't extend it to the gods you don't want to exist (say, when you argue that God exists but Zeus, Odin, Set, etc. don't) you're intentionally suspending your use of logic. At least in my opinion.

Well, the argument is based off of religious doctrine, so if God exists, according to him he is the only God, and he also never lies, so in that case there can be no other Gods. I agree with you in that if there can be one there *theoretically* could be more than one, but if you follow an abrahamic religion then you believe there is only one, and just because it's possible that there could have been more doesn't mean there actually are more. Y'know what I'm saying? Idk, I just don't see it.

If the same logic "proves" that two gods exists, and both gods have at some point claimed the other does not exist, how do you resolve that contradiction?

[Philjia]

War, famine, disease, genocide. Death, in a million forms, often painful and protracted for the poor wretches involved. What god would arrange the universe to predispose it's creations to experience such suffering, or be the cause of it in others?

[Andsed]

Sweet Atheism thread! Honestly just a simple Atheist here. I never really believed in god cause I guess I just could not believe it for some reason.

Your "addressing" of that was... underwhelming. It's not cowardice to not want to provoke people you care about due to their misconceptions of atheism.

You called people cowards for not wanting to endanger their fucking lives and their livleyhoods at the hands of their family members.

You addressed fuck all.

>Not wanting to get rejected by the people you love, having them physically and/or emotionally abuse you, and potentially losing your home, your possessions, and any form of liquidity and/or income
>"Coward"

Yeah, addressed, sure.

If thats the reaction you recieve then those people obviously don't love you, and it's best to remove yourself from that situation as soon as your financially or legally able, and then tell them, as I've already said. Why continue living a lie for people who would turn on you like that? Yes, I've addressed it, people getting their feelings hurt by the use of the word cowardice, oh well, maybe a poor choice of words.

Your acting like just leaving your family is easy. It´s not and can be very emotionally difficult. It is not being a coward to not tell your family and it is ridiculous to suggest that.

[Rojava Free State]

I'm not only an atheist, I also don't believe in people, our institutions or any hope for this world.

Also the meaning of life is to simply reproduce. All the other supposed "meanings of life" people have come up with are garbage

[Alvecia]

I'm not only an atheist, I also don't believe in people, our institutions or any hope for this world.

Also the meaning of life is to simply reproduce. All the other supposed "meanings of life" people have come up with are garbage

Life is meaningless. Make it mean whatever you want it to mean.

For example, my meaning is to be happy, and to have other people be happy, because I like being happy and think others should get a chance to like it as well.

[Rojava Free State]

I don't get not telling your family. I mean what's to hide? Your beliefs are part of who you are, and if they can't handle that then their not really family, are they? It's really not healthy to lie constantly imo. Whatever tho, you do you.

Some people react very badly to members of their family not following the same religion as them.

Going as far as kicking that person out of the house or using emotional or physical violence against them.

Those are the people who love a fictional character more than they love their own kids. They make up 35% of the American population and continue to hinder our advancement as a society, causing the US to fall behind china, japan, South Korea and western Europe

[Nakena]

I'm not only an atheist, I also don't believe in people, our institutions or any hope for this world.

Also the meaning of life is to simply reproduce. All the other supposed "meanings of life" people have come up with are garbage

Never give up, march on, no matter the odds until we can no more. Realizing our own mortality and limits, pass the torch to the next generation for they be better and get a little further. And repeat, until we're there.

That is by no means easy and its as slow as the first steps some aquatic creature might have done billions of years ago as it tried to move itself onto the land. But it is nonetheless necessary.

[Rojava Free State]

I'm not only an atheist, I also don't believe in people, our institutions or any hope for this world.

Also the meaning of life is to simply reproduce. All the other supposed "meanings of life" people have come up with are garbage

Life is meaningless. Make it mean whatever you want it to mean.

For example, my meaning is to be happy, and to have other people be happy, because I like being happy and think others should get a chance to like it as well.

But life's purpose since the moment it began was to keep existing. Think about it, everything reproduces. It's an inherent drive in all beings to preserve their species, so that could be called a meaning of life

[Medwind]

Sweet Atheism thread! Honestly just a simple Atheist here. I never really believed in god cause I guess I just could not believe it for some reason.

If thats the reaction you recieve then those people obviously don't love you, and it's best to remove yourself from that situation as soon as your financially or legally able, and then tell them, as I've already said. Why continue living a lie for people who would turn on you like that? Yes, I've addressed it, people getting their feelings hurt by the use of the word cowardice, oh well, maybe a poor choice of words.

Your acting like just leaving your family is easy. It´s not and can be very emotionally difficult. It is not being a coward to not tell your family and it is ridiculous to suggest that.

Things are only hard if you make them hard imo.

[Alvecia]

Life is meaningless. Make it mean whatever you want it to mean.

For example, my meaning is to be happy, and to have other people be happy, because I like being happy and think others should get a chance to like it as well.

But life's purpose since the moment it began was to keep existing. Think about it, everything reproduces. It's an inherent drive in all beings to preserve their species, so that could be called a meaning of life

Life has no purpose. To give life a purpose implies design. Life just is. It has no drive or goal.

[Rojava Free State]

Sweet Atheism thread! Honestly just a simple Atheist here. I never really believed in god cause I guess I just could not believe it for some reason.


Your acting like just leaving your family is easy. It´s not and can be very emotionally difficult. It is not being a coward to not tell your family and it is ridiculous to suggest that.

Things are only hard if you make them hard imo.

The shit you gotta go through is the shit you choose to take

[Nakena]

Life is meaningless. Make it mean whatever you want it to mean.

For example, my meaning is to be happy, and to have other people be happy, because I like being happy and think others should get a chance to like it as well.

But life's purpose since the moment it began was to keep existing. Think about it, everything reproduces. It's an inherent drive in all beings to preserve their species, so that could be called a meaning of life

This is correct but incomplete, we as humans not just merely reproduces (though thats what the majority simply does) but also advance and advance. Soon enough we will be able to speed up the later process through genetic engineering and other means.