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by The Foxes Swamp » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:22 am
by Medwind » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:25 am
New haven america wrote:Medwind wrote:
I don't get not telling your family. I mean what's to hide? Your beliefs are part of who you are, and if they can't handle that then their not really family, are they? It's really not healthy to lie constantly imo. Whatever tho, you do you.
It's not like families that hold staunch beliefs aren't afraid to cause physical harm to their own if they don't fall in line and agree with them or anything...
by New haven america » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:27 am
Medwind wrote:New haven america wrote:It's not like families that hold staunch beliefs aren't afraid to cause physical harm to their own if they don't fall in line and agree with them or anything...
No offense, but that just sounds like cowardice to me, from my pov, for multiple reasons. 1. It's unlikely. 2. You could get them locked up for it if you wanted to. 3. If it's really that big a deal then throw hands, sounds like some ass needs to be whooped in that situation.
by Neko-koku » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:28 am
Medwind wrote:Absolon-7 wrote:Been a staunch atheist and been keeping it a secret from my family since 4th grade. Funnily enough I have no clue what convinced me that theres no god back then.
I don't get not telling your family. I mean what's to hide? Your beliefs are part of who you are, and if they can't handle that then their not really family, are they? It's really not healthy to lie constantly imo. Whatever tho, you do you.
by Neko-koku » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:30 am
New haven america wrote:Medwind wrote:No offense, but that just sounds like cowardice to me, from my pov, for multiple reasons. 1. It's unlikely. 2. You could get them locked up for it if you wanted to. 3. If it's really that big a deal then throw hands, sounds like some ass needs to be whooped in that situation.
So say you're gay/bi and you live with a homophobic that's had no problem kicking out or harming gay/bi relatives in the past, or a conservative Muslim and Christian family that has a record of expelling their own on the basis of belief.
Yeah, sure, tell them that you're the exact thing they hate, that'll work wonders.
by Vivolkha » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:34 am
by Medwind » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:35 am
New haven america wrote:Medwind wrote:No offense, but that just sounds like cowardice to me, from my pov, for multiple reasons. 1. It's unlikely. 2. You could get them locked up for it if you wanted to. 3. If it's really that big a deal then throw hands, sounds like some ass needs to be whooped in that situation.
So say you're gay/bi and you live with a homophobic that's had no problem kicking out or harming gay/bi relatives in the past, or a conservative Muslim and Christian family that has a record of expelling their own on the basis of belief.
Yeah, sure, tell them that you're the exact thing they hate, that'll work wonders.
by Medwind » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:37 am
Vivolkha wrote:The Islands of Versilia wrote:Basically an atheist who wants to wipe out religion.
While I oppose religion in nearly all cases, eliminating religion altogether requires some very brutal methods (see below) - for me, this is more of an ideal than a possible goal, at least on the mid term.The Islands of Versilia wrote:The USSR was kind of anti-theist, at least occasionally I recall. Demolishing churches, stripping church power, intimidating clergymen, all that stuff. I might be wrong on some things, though.
Many Communist regimes attempted to destroy religion but by the 1980s they had kind of given up, instead attempting to minimize their influence and undermine their doctrine. Official harassment and discrimination against religious believers was rife, as you pointed out. Side note, check the religious controls and other repressive religious legislation of the PRC today.
For a more hardline approach at destroying religion, see Communist Albania under Enver Hoxha, the only Eastern Bloc country that did outlaw religion and try to eliminate it completely, at a time where many other Communist countries were content with just keeping it under strict control.
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:43 am
by Attempted Socialism » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:53 am
Pacomia wrote:I used to be an agnostic, which to be fair is probably better than atheism, but I just can’t see any way that God or supernatural things could exist, at least the way most religions see it.
UIS Leviathan wrote:can I just add that I’ve always hated the idea of a “agnostic-atheist”?
you can’t be both at once
either you don’t know or you do, being agnostic means you don’t know if there’s a god, atheist means you know there’s no god. You could be an agnostic that leans atheist, but not both at once.
also gotta add that tips fedora for good measure
I don't live in the US, but this follows my impression from US media. However, a positive thing is that the younger generations are the least religious ever, so you'll likely see that it was the last distressed reactions (Though they will last a few decades).Pacomia wrote:The Islands of Versilia wrote:Yeah, I understand what you mean. Awhile ago I was the edgy anti-theist, hard atheist kind of person but nowadays I just really don’t care, the existence of a deity or deity-like figure never had any effect on my life, so why would it now? I still don’t consider it possible, hence leaning towards atheism.
For me, that’s actually reversed. I actually now feel an urge to shout “Bullshit” whenever anyone talks about their religion. That’s how bad it’s gotten. I’ve yet to actually do it, but god the urge is strong.
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by Medwind » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:02 am
Attempted Socialism wrote:I don't live in the US, but this follows my impression from US media. However, a positive thing is that the younger generations are the least religious ever, so you'll likely see that it was the last distressed reactions (Though they will last a few decades).Pacomia wrote:For me, that’s actually reversed. I actually now feel an urge to shout “Bullshit” whenever anyone talks about their religion. That’s how bad it’s gotten. I’ve yet to actually do it, but god the urge is strong.
by Attempted Socialism » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:07 am
Medwind wrote:Attempted Socialism wrote:I don't live in the US, but this follows my impression from US media. However, a positive thing is that the younger generations are the least religious ever, so you'll likely see that it was the last distressed reactions (Though they will last a few decades).
Huh? I don't understand this. Regardless, the US is a very religious country, I doubt you'll see the US go the way of Europe, same can be said of most of Latin America, don't count your winnings till you win the game.
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by The New California Republic » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:09 am
by North German Realm » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:11 am
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by Medwind » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:16 am
Attempted Socialism wrote:Medwind wrote:
Huh? I don't understand this. Regardless, the US is a very religious country, I doubt you'll see the US go the way of Europe, same can be said of most of Latin America, don't count your winnings till you win the game.
What part was unclear? I think that there is a current (Since the late 90'ies, I'd say) upsurge in religious activism in the US partly as a backlash to losing the younger generations. Thus making the current wave of fanaticism a passing phenomenon. I don't think the US will "get to Denmark" (To borrow from Fukuyama), but "none of the above" (In some fashion or other) is the fastest growing "religion" in the US and it seems to me that the younger generations will soon experience a plurality of non-believers.
by Alvecia » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:17 am
Attempted Socialism wrote:- An agnostic atheist is thus someone who does not believe in a deity, but at the same time does not or cannot know enough to acertain the existence of some or all deities.
by Alvecia » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:21 am
Medwind wrote:Attempted Socialism wrote:What part was unclear? I think that there is a current (Since the late 90'ies, I'd say) upsurge in religious activism in the US partly as a backlash to losing the younger generations. Thus making the current wave of fanaticism a passing phenomenon. I don't think the US will "get to Denmark" (To borrow from Fukuyama), but "none of the above" (In some fashion or other) is the fastest growing "religion" in the US and it seems to me that the younger generations will soon experience a plurality of non-believers.
Interesting. What is unclear to me is how your first sentence related to Pacomias post. They said they felt the need to shout bullshit every time they hear someone speaking about religion, and you said that that follows your impression from US media? I don't understand how you're connecting those dots. Regardless, can you post sources saying that atheism is the fastest growing religious preference? Some charts and graphs estimating future growth would also be useful if you have them.
by North German Realm » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:21 am
5 Nov, 2020
Die Morgenpost: "We will reconsider our relationship with Poland" Reichskanzler Lagenmauer says after Polish president protested North German ultimatum that made them restore reproductive freedom. | European Society votes not to persecute Hungary for atrocities committed against Serbs, "Giving a rogue state leave to commit genocide as it sees fit." North German delegate bemoans. | Negotiations still underway in Rome, delegates arguing over the extent of indemnities Turkey might be made to pay, lawful status of Turkish collaborators during occupation of Azerbaijan, Cyprus, Syria.
by The Grims » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:22 am
Alvecia wrote:Attempted Socialism wrote:- An agnostic atheist is thus someone who does not believe in a deity, but at the same time does not or cannot know enough to acertain the existence of some or all deities.
One definition that I quite liked was that gnosticism deals with "knowing", whereas theism deals with "thinking", or believing.
The definee then went on to say that if God is therefore unknowable, then everyone is agnostic.
by Alvecia » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:25 am
The Grims wrote:Alvecia wrote:One definition that I quite liked was that gnosticism deals with "knowing", whereas theism deals with "thinking", or believing.
The definee then went on to say that if God is therefore unknowable, then everyone is agnostic.
Some people claim they know God exists. Usually they hear voices or are creationists
by Uan aa Boa » Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:29 am
UIS Leviathan wrote:How so and then explain to me what an agnostic atheist is
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