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Postby Pacomia » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:23 pm

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Oh, absolutely. We would need a very good regulatory system so as to minimize abuse of such tech as much as possible.


No, we should embrace the abuses in my view. I want to be using this for the purposes of race. After only one or a few generations, if this were used for all or most of a country's zygotes, the skin color and other traits can be selected by the state to come up with a national standard for aesthetics.

A Japanese baby in that situation, could still look stereotypically Japanese even if the father is Black as one example. In the old days, there was no stopping that baby from having Black skin to some extent as a result of that, but with this- the Black skin trait could plausibly be switched off in favor of whatever it is a government or the parents want.

The commonality or rarity of specific races, could become more like a fashion trend instead of being dictated by immigration, economics, and the fertility or lack thereof of different populations.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:23 pm

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Kernen wrote:Like so many things, we found a better alternative.


Don't know if i'd call this better. Genetically engineering the perfect children sounds awfully dangerously close to eugenics, and it's our flaws that make us human.


Evolutionary we would reduce our flaws by having people due before the could have children.
This is better. We will still be humans, just evolutionary better ones.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:26 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Yeah, it's getting cancer that makes us human. If we stop getting cancer then what's the point in living?


Except has anyone guaranteed this will even prevent cancer? And even if it does, who's to say someone can't abuse this kind of system? I see a lot of potential dangers with this advancement


There are no guarantees, but it has potential. That is the point of research. To see what works and what does not.

And any technology can be abuse, but we cannot stop technological advancement on those grounds.

This is happening whether we like it or not, if you cannot stop something you must make it work to your benefit.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:39 pm

Pacomia wrote:God, everything’s about race to you, isn’t it?


Lets say that a young White girl got seduced by an athletic Black stud of a man. He got her pregnant. At least her family has options now if they could afford genetic engineering. Instead of panicking that they'll have to have a half Black baby in their perfectly White family tree, she could instead be taken to a clinic early on and her zygote could be "fixed" such that even if the father is really Black, the baby will still be White.

This couldn't be more perfect. I'd no longer need to worry about any racial groups becoming extinct. But I probably will still need to worry about who is the majority and who is the minority in various places.
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Postby Kernen » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:43 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Pacomia wrote:God, everything’s about race to you, isn’t it?


Lets say that a young White girl got seduced by an athletic Black stud of a man. He got her pregnant. At least her family has options now if they could afford genetic engineering. Instead of panicking that they'll have to have a half Black baby in their perfectly White family tree, she could instead be taken to a clinic early on and her zygote could be "fixed" such that even if the father is really Black, the baby will still be White.

This couldn't be more perfect. I'd no longer need to worry about any racial groups becoming extinct. But I probably will still need to worry about who is the majority and who is the minority in various places.

Why would they panic?
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:43 pm

Saiwania wrote:Lets say that a young White girl got seduced by an athletic Black stud of a man. He got her pregnant. At least her family has options now if they could afford genetic engineering. Instead of panicking that they'll have to have a half Black baby in their perfectly White family tree, she could instead be taken to a clinic early on and her zygote could be "fixed" such that even if the father is really Black, the baby will still be White.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:46 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Pacomia wrote:God, everything’s about race to you, isn’t it?


Lets say that a young White girl got seduced by an athletic Black stud of a man. He got her pregnant. At least her family has options now if they could afford genetic engineering. Instead of panicking that they'll have to have a half Black baby in their perfectly White family tree, she could instead be taken to a clinic early on and her zygote could be "fixed" such that even if the father is really Black, the baby will still be White.

This couldn't be more perfect. I'd no longer need to worry about any racial groups becoming extinct. But I probably will still need to worry about who is the majority and who is the minority in various places.

I'm sure most families won't care about skin color.

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Postby Andsed » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:49 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Pacomia wrote:God, everything’s about race to you, isn’t it?


Lets say that a young White girl got seduced by an athletic Black stud of a man. He got her pregnant. At least her family has options now if they could afford genetic engineering. Instead of panicking that they'll have to have a half Black baby in their perfectly White family tree, she could instead be taken to a clinic early on and her zygote could be "fixed" such that even if the father is really Black, the baby will still be White.

This couldn't be more perfect. I'd no longer need to worry about any racial groups becoming extinct. But I probably will still need to worry about who is the majority and who is the minority in various places.

zygote could be "fixed

...Really? Are you seriously trying to say multiracial people need to have their race ¨fixed.¨ Christ dude what is your problem with multiracial children?
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Postby New haven america » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:16 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Lets say that a young White girl got seduced by an athletic Black stud of a man. He got her pregnant. At least her family has options now if they could afford genetic engineering. Instead of panicking that they'll have to have a half Black baby in their perfectly White family tree, she could instead be taken to a clinic early on and her zygote could be "fixed" such that even if the father is really Black, the baby will still be White.

This couldn't be more perfect. I'd no longer need to worry about any racial groups becoming extinct. But I probably will still need to worry about who is the majority and who is the minority in various places.

I'm sure most families won't care about skin color.

You're telling this to Sai, the person who thought his sister was cheating on her white husband with a non-white person simply because their son/his nephew has curly hair.

Also, he was willing to spread this idea around his to BIL and maybe even the rest of his family in order to shame his sister for cheating and ruining the family's white genes.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:18 pm

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Saiwania wrote:
Lets say that a young White girl got seduced by an athletic Black stud of a man. He got her pregnant. At least her family has options now if they could afford genetic engineering. Instead of panicking that they'll have to have a half Black baby in their perfectly White family tree, she could instead be taken to a clinic early on and her zygote could be "fixed" such that even if the father is really Black, the baby will still be White.

This couldn't be more perfect. I'd no longer need to worry about any racial groups becoming extinct. But I probably will still need to worry about who is the majority and who is the minority in various places.

zygote could be "fixed

...Really? Are you seriously trying to say multiracial people need to have their race ¨fixed.¨ Christ dude what is your problem with multiracial children?

He believes that everyone needs to "Stay in their own lane", IE: White people need to stay with white people, black with black people, etc... and that interracial intercourse and reproduction is a crime against nature as your removing and diluting the specific genetics and features of the races involved.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:30 pm

New haven america wrote:Also, he was willing to spread this idea around his to BIL and maybe even the rest of his family in order to shame his sister for cheating and ruining the family's white genes.


No, this is not true. Although it is true that my nephew's curly hair caused me to have suspicions for a time that something wasn't right. The infant is obviously White, so if there were any ancestry problem, it'd probably be a few generations back that something happened to take away from the European character of that heritage for a brief time.

It's possible for a family line to suddenly race mix to Black or whatever else, but for that line to become indistinguishably White again if that line didn't keep straying off course towards continuing to race mix out to other racial groups besides White.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:32 pm

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New haven america wrote:Also, he was willing to spread this idea around his to BIL and maybe even the rest of his family in order to shame his sister for cheating and ruining the family's white genes.


No, this is not true. Although it is true that my nephew's curly hair caused me to have suspicions for a time that something wasn't right. The infant is obviously White, so if there were any ancestry problem, it'd probably be a few generations back that something happened to take away from the European character of that heritage for a brief time.

It's possible for a family line to suddenly race mix to Black or whatever else, but for that line to become indistinguishably White again if that line didn't keep straying off course towards continuing to race mix out to other racial groups besides White.

Yes it is, the post where you ask us if you should tell your BIL about your sisters supposed cheating isn't hard to find.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:34 pm

New haven america wrote:Yes it is, the post where you ask us if you should tell your BIL about your sisters supposed cheating isn't hard to find.


What counts is that I chose to keep silent. I might not have however, if my suspicion was confirmed.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:43 pm

New haven america wrote:He believes that everyone needs to "Stay in their own lane", IE: White people need to stay with white people, black with black people, etc... and that interracial intercourse and reproduction is a crime against nature as your removing and diluting the specific genetics and features of the races involved.


Yes, you're finally someone from around here who really gets what I've been getting at. Wouldn't you agree that genetic engineering could equally be a solution for a Black family that doesn't want a mixed race child, but for a child to be Black. As it would be for a White family in the same predicament, but for the child to be White?
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:46 pm

Saiwania wrote:
New haven america wrote:He believes that everyone needs to "Stay in their own lane", IE: White people need to stay with white people, black with black people, etc... and that interracial intercourse and reproduction is a crime against nature as your removing and diluting the specific genetics and features of the races involved.


Yes, you're finally someone from around here who really gets what I've been getting at. Wouldn't you agree that genetic engineering could equally be a solution for a Black family that doesn't want a mixed race child, but for a child to be Black. As it would be for a White family in the same predicament, but for the child to be White?

Let's move away from this being about your family, okay?

That goes for everyone else.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:46 pm

Saiwania wrote:
New haven america wrote:He believes that everyone needs to "Stay in their own lane", IE: White people need to stay with white people, black with black people, etc... and that interracial intercourse and reproduction is a crime against nature as your removing and diluting the specific genetics and features of the races involved.


1. Yes, you're finally someone from around here who really gets what I've been getting at. 2. Wouldn't you agree that genetic engineering could equally be a solution for a Black family that doesn't want a mixed race child, but for a child to be Black. As it would be for a White family in the same predicament, but for the child to be White?

1. Not for the reasons you're hoping for.
2. Nope
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Postby The Shrailleeni Empire » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:49 pm

This is quite simple. Every sperm is good sperm, every sperm is great. If a sperm is wasted, God will get quite irate. That includes manufactured ones.
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Postby Arthenius » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:43 pm

Ifreann wrote:
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Don't know if i'd call this better. Genetically engineering the perfect children sounds awfully dangerously close to eugenics, and it's our flaws that make us human.

Yeah, it's getting cancer that makes us human. If we stop getting cancer then what's the point in living?


A broader question than that is, if we stop having to overcome challenges and hardships and we improve our science so much that we have nothing to overcome, what is the point of living?

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Postby Andsed » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:45 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Yeah, it's getting cancer that makes us human. If we stop getting cancer then what's the point in living?


A broader question than that is, if we stop having to overcome challenges and hardships and we improve our science so much that we have nothing to overcome, what is the point of living?

That is an absurd question. Science can do a lot in the medical field but the idea of removing all challenges and hardships is ridiculous.
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Postby Arthenius » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:46 pm

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Rojava Free State wrote:What ever happened to reproducing the natural way?


This does not ban you from doing that.
But for some people that is not good option, if the have a high risk of passing on genetic disease or cannot reproduce naturally at all.


One day it will become effectively void because everybody else would be doing it and those doing it in the natural way will be seen as weird or archaic.

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Postby Arthenius » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:48 pm

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Don't know if i'd call this better. Genetically engineering the perfect children sounds awfully dangerously close to eugenics, and it's our flaws that make us human.

Then being human isn't ideal. Its only eugenics if you control the reproduction of others. People choosing their own reproductive future isn't eugenics.


That sounds like a pessimistic view.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:48 pm

Arthenius wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yeah, it's getting cancer that makes us human. If we stop getting cancer then what's the point in living?


A broader question than that is, if we stop having to overcome challenges and hardships and we improve our science so much that we have nothing to overcome, what is the point of living?


But there will always be something else to overcome.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:50 pm

Arthenius wrote:
Novus America wrote:
This does not ban you from doing that.
But for some people that is not good option, if the have a high risk of passing on genetic disease or cannot reproduce naturally at all.


One day it will become effectively void because everybody else would be doing it and those doing it in the natural way will be seen as weird or archaic.


Eh, there still will be the Amish and many religious types and what not.
But so? Sure it might become the primary method in time, but I do not see that as a problem.
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Postby Pacomia » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:51 pm

The Shrailleeni Empire wrote:This is quite simple. Every sperm is good sperm, every sperm is great. If a sperm is wasted, God will get quite irate. That includes manufactured ones.

I’m imagining a sperm getting a genetic disorder of some sort and God getting mad and needing to lie down. Thanks for that.
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Postby Arthenius » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:01 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Yes, you're finally someone from around here who really gets what I've been getting at. Wouldn't you agree that genetic engineering could equally be a solution for a Black family that doesn't want a mixed race child, but for a child to be Black. As it would be for a White family in the same predicament, but for the child to be White?

Let's move away from this being about your family, okay?

That goes for everyone else.

To be fair, White Europeans are an international minority compared to other races. By that I mean ~10% of the population, those who have naturally fair skin and features are even a greater minority.

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