Palestinian police vow crackdown on LGBT events

[Neko-koku]

"Islamic fundamentalist" is often a dogwhistle for "anyone who is visibly muslim".

There are Islamic fundamentalists, as there are Christian fundamentalists.

One can be critical of both.

Yeah but you see..dogwhistling works because authoritarians like to use ambiguous words to trick freedom lovers and neutrals into supporting their cause against other authoritarians. As long as there are enough Western trads who use that dog whistling then legit criticism of Islamism without looking like a Western trad becomes hard..

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Let’s us review the OP then.
In rather typical Islamic fundamentalist fashion Palestinian police in the West Bank have banned a planned event by LGBT organizers and threatened to arrest anyone involved. Obviously, I believe this is a grotesque abuse of power and demonstrates the continued persecution that these people face in Palestine.

I see “Islamic fundamentalist”, that is not all Muslims, not by a long shot.

"Islamic fundamentalist" is often a dogwhistle for "anyone who is visibly muslim".

I doubt that is what the people in this thread mean when they say it.

[Neko-koku]

"Islamic fundamentalist" is often a dogwhistle for "anyone who is visibly muslim".

I doubt that is what the people in this thread mean when they say it.

As long as many people don't mean it it remains a useful dogwhistle....and hence the phrase gets "polluted".

[Grenartia]

"Islamic fundamentalist" is often a dogwhistle for "anyone who is visibly muslim".

There are Islamic fundamentalists, as there are Christian fundamentalists.

One can be critical of both.

Sure. But OP has already been known for blatant anti-Muslim sentiment, not just being "anti Islamic fundamentalist". This is a clear dogwhistle by him that any of his fellow islamophobes and non-islamophobes who are familiar with his posting history, will recognize.

There are Islamic fundamentalists, as there are Christians fundamentalists.

One can be critical of both.

Also of note, nobody here is saying "all Muslims" or "all Christians." The dogwhistle analogy isn't even accurate, to say nothing of how tame people who criticize "Islamic fundamentalism" can often be.

Scratch an islamophobe, and a racist, a queerphobe, and a sexist will also bleed.

[New Hennig]

There are Islamic fundamentalists, as there are Christian fundamentalists.

One can be critical of both.

Yeah but you see..dogwhistling works because authoritarians like to use ambiguous words to trick freedom lovers and neutrals into supporting their cause against other authoritarians. As long as there are enough Western trads who use that dog whistling then legit criticism of Islamism without looking like a Western trad becomes hard..

Well, we may be dying breed but I’m still a classical liberal. I don’t like theocracy and authoritarianism, at all. Not going to give Islamic authoritarianism a free pass because some people I don’t like theocracy and authoritarianism, at all. Not going to give Islamic authoritarianism a free pass because some people discriminate against Muslims. Those that discriminate against Muslims are stupid.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Stop being a bunch of scumbags and leave the LGBT alone, i fucking despise zealots and fundamentalists.

[The New California Republic]

Tbh if I was an LGBT person in Palestine I'd be getting the fuck out.

Yeah, that really isn't an option when those crossing into Israel or Israeli waters is most likely to get you detained at best, if not just shot during the attempt.

This is in the West Bank. I'd probably escape via Jordan and then onwards to somewhere else, probably Europe.

[Greater Loegria]

Stop being a bunch of scumbags and leave the LGBT alone, i fucking despise zealots and fundamentalists.

But that’s iSlaMopHobiA

[United Muscovite Nations]

Yeah, that really isn't an option when those crossing into Israel or Israeli waters is most likely to get you detained at best, if not just shot during the attempt.

This is in the West Bank. I'd probably escape via Jordan and then onwards to somewhere else, probably Europe.

Much of the West Bank has no access to Jordan due to the occupation.

[The New California Republic]

This is in the West Bank. I'd probably escape via Jordan and then onwards to somewhere else, probably Europe.

Much of the West Bank has no access to Jordan due to the occupation.

If I got a travel permit I'd get out via the Allenby Bridge.

[United Muscovite Nations]

If I got a travel permit I'd get out via the Allenby Bridge.

Can we FOCUS?

Focus on what, the OP is a thinly veiled accusation of Islamic extremism towards the PA.

[Nova Cyberia]

I think it's a matter of "pressuring them back into the closet" versus "killing them." Like only one of those is supposed to actually help society. *shrug*

The way I see it, forcing pressuring us back into the closet is just one step intended to rollback the progress that has been made since Stonewall, so that actually killing us becomes socially tolerated again. They can't just come right out and say that's their goal, though.

I have yet to see anyone in this thread claiming that all Muslims hate LGBT people or wish to discriminate against them.

It was rather heavily implied in the OP.

No, it wasn't. Quit whining about how everyone is just so mean to the Islamic fundamentalists.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The way I see it, forcing pressuring us back into the closet is just one step intended to rollback the progress that has been made since Stonewall, so that actually killing us becomes socially tolerated again. They can't just come right out and say that's their goal, though.



It was rather heavily implied in the OP.

No, it wasn't. Quit whining about how everyone is just so mean to the Islamic fundamentalists.

As I've said, the PA aren't Islamic fundamentalists.

[Nova Cyberia]

No, it wasn't. Quit whining about how everyone is just so mean to the Islamic fundamentalists.

As I've said, the PA aren't Islamic fundamentalists.

No, their are just shutting down LGBT events because they go against Palestinian values.

Remind me again what the most dominant and influential religion in the West Bank is?

[United Muscovite Nations]

As I've said, the PA aren't Islamic fundamentalists.

No, their are just shutting down LGBT events because they go against Palestinian values.

Remind me again what the most dominant and influential religion in the West Bank is?

Palestinian Christians are hugely influential in Palestinian politics and hold many of the same social views as Palestinian Muslims. Fatah is a secular, Social Democratic party.

[Nova Cyberia]

No, their are just shutting down LGBT events because they go against Palestinian values.

Remind me again what the most dominant and influential religion in the West Bank is?

Palestinian Christians are hugely influential in Palestinian politics and hold many of the same social views as Palestinian Muslims. Fatah is a secular, Social Democratic party.

Their actions don't exactly reek of secularism. The police are not shutting down these events at the behest of Christians. Islam is the dominant religion in the West Bank. It's being done to protect traditional Islamic values, unless you're trying to argue that Christians control the West Bank now, which would be ludicrous.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Palestinian Christians are hugely influential in Palestinian politics and hold many of the same social views as Palestinian Muslims. Fatah is a secular, Social Democratic party.

Their actions don't exactly reek of secularism. The police are not shutting down these events at the behest of Christians. Islam is the dominant religion in the West Bank. It's being done to protect traditional Islamic values, unless you're trying to argue that Christians control the West Bank now, which would be ludicrous.

Have you considered that even secular politicians in the Arab world oppose LGBT rights?

[Nova Cyberia]

Their actions don't exactly reek of secularism. The police are not shutting down these events at the behest of Christians. Islam is the dominant religion in the West Bank. It's being done to protect traditional Islamic values, unless you're trying to argue that Christians control the West Bank now, which would be ludicrous.

Have you considered that even secular politicians in the Arab world oppose LGBT rights?

Have you considered that most of the homophobia in the Middle East is because of the dominant position Islam holds in their culture?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Have you considered that even secular politicians in the Arab world oppose LGBT rights?

Have you considered that most of the homophobia in the Middle East is because of the dominant position Islam holds in their culture?

There's a huge amount of influence from other ideologies as well, especially soviet-style socialism. Regardless, they're not Islamic fundamentalists and reject political Islam explicitly.

[Nova Cyberia]

Have you considered that most of the homophobia in the Middle East is because of the dominant position Islam holds in their culture?

There's a huge amount of influence from other ideologies as well, especially soviet-style socialism. Regardless, they're not Islamic fundamentalists and reject political Islam explicitly.

Oh, fucking please. Soviet socialism has nowhere near the amount of influence as Islam in Palestine. And, again, their actions don't suggest secularism in the slightest. Paying lip-service to it and actually governing by it are two different things.

[United Muscovite Nations]

There's a huge amount of influence from other ideologies as well, especially soviet-style socialism. Regardless, they're not Islamic fundamentalists and reject political Islam explicitly.

Oh, fucking please. Soviet socialism has nowhere near the amount of influence as Islam in Palestine. And, again, their actions don't suggest secularism in the slightest. Paying lip-service to it and actually governing by it are two different things.

The Palestinian Authority was a Marxist-Leninist movement for much of its history and the PLO enjoyed good ties with the USSR and other Socialist movements, including Christian socialist movements such as the IRA.

[Nova Cyberia]

Oh, fucking please. Soviet socialism has nowhere near the amount of influence as Islam in Palestine. And, again, their actions don't suggest secularism in the slightest. Paying lip-service to it and actually governing by it are two different things.

The Palestinian Authority was a Marxist-Leninist movement for much of its history and the PLO enjoyed good ties with the USSR and other Socialist movements, including Christian socialist movements such as the IRA.

And socialism no longer plays a dominant role in their politics.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The Palestinian Authority was a Marxist-Leninist movement for much of its history and the PLO enjoyed good ties with the USSR and other Socialist movements, including Christian socialist movements such as the IRA.

And socialism no longer plays a dominant role in their politics.

It plays a huge role, Fatah is a socialist party.

[The New California Republic]

If I got a travel permit I'd get out via the Allenby Bridge.

Can we FOCUS?

Focus? What I said is relevant to what is being discussed...

[Nova Cyberia]

And socialism no longer plays a dominant role in their politics.

It plays a huge role, Fatah is a socialist party.

Not really. They've shifted more toward social democracy.