Palestinian police vow crackdown on LGBT events

[Cruciland]

Instead of discussing the topic?

Seems like OP already brought it up.

As long as it has been brought up, does anyone else notice how often the "hurr durr ebil mooslems don't liek LGBT" gets brought up by western Islamophobes who also don't like LGBT people?

Like, if they're so concerned about LGBT+ rights that they're concerned about our human rights issues abroad, what the hell are they doing for our human rights at home? It just reeks of transparent concern trolling designed to 'score points' against muslims and stoke hatred and fear against them in the LGBT+ community.

In fact, it seems like its done exclusively to try and distract us from the inequalities we face here at home. "Who cares if you can get fired just for transitioning or getting gay married? That lady in the hijab wants to throw you off a fucking building!"

I think it's a matter of "pressuring them back into the closet" versus "killing them." Like only one of those is supposed to actually help society. *shrug*

[New Hennig]

Instead of discussing the topic?

Seems like OP already brought it up.

As long as it has been brought up, does anyone else notice how often the "hurr durr ebil mooslems don't liek LGBT" gets brought up by western Islamophobes who also don't like LGBT people?

Like, if they're so concerned about LGBT+ rights that they're concerned about our human rights issues abroad, what the hell are they doing for our human rights at home? It just reeks of transparent concern trolling designed to 'score points' against muslims and stoke hatred and fear against them in the LGBT+ community.

In fact, it seems like its done exclusively to try and distract us from the inequalities we face here at home. "Who cares if you can get fired just for transitioning or getting gay married? That lady in the hijab wants to throw you off a fucking building!"

I have yet to see anyone in this thread claiming that all Muslims hate LGBT people or wish to discriminate against them.

[Grenartia]

No I mean "Palestinians are evil people ebil muslims look how barbaric they are!"

Keep in mind I'm very Pro-Israel. I'm not condoning this action at all. I'm condemning it.

I don't know why you would be pro for a rogue state that illegally acquired nuclear weapons and arguably commits ethnic cleansing on illegally occupied territory.

Like, I'm against terrorism, but Israel as it currently stands is an apartheid state, and it must change.

I believe I've said this before, but a Bosnia and Herzegovina-style peace settlement would be ideal.

[Neko-koku]

I don't know why you would be pro for a rogue state that illegally acquired nuclear weapons and arguably commits ethnic cleansing on illegally occupied territory.

Like, I'm against terrorism, but Israel as it currently stands is an apartheid state, and it must change.

I believe I've said this before, but a Bosnia and Herzegovina-style peace settlement would be ideal.

What's that? More importantly how the fuck is Israel an apartheid state? Where the fuck are da Israeli puppets, I mean Bantustans?

[Chestaan]

Instead of discussing the topic?

Seems like OP already brought it up.

As long as it has been brought up, does anyone else notice how often the "hurr durr ebil mooslems don't liek LGBT" gets brought up by western Islamophobes who also don't like LGBT people?

Like, if they're so concerned about LGBT+ rights that they're concerned about our human rights issues abroad, what the hell are they doing for our human rights at home? It just reeks of transparent concern trolling designed to 'score points' against muslims and stoke hatred and fear against them in the LGBT+ community.

In fact, it seems like its done exclusively to try and distract us from the inequalities we face here at home. "Who cares if you can get fired just for transitioning or getting gay married? That lady in the hijab wants to throw you off a fucking building!"

I agree, and it is particularly disgusting to see those who despise LGBTQIA+ individuals use their lack of rights in other nations as a stick to attack other oppressed groups, but then in our world it seems that the struggle of all marginalised groups is fair game to be appropriated and used to benefit others, like how corporations are all suddenly on the side of Pride when they realise they can make a quick buck.

[Neko-koku]

It's not Islamic fundamentalism, Christians and Muslims in Arab countries broadly agree about this issue.

Shall there be a crackdown?

[Neko-koku]

Lol. I’d love to see the faces of the gaggle of cockwombles at every Israel/Palestine event with their ‘LGBTQs for Palestine’ banners. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Kind of like the Christians who support Israel.

Israel does not attempt to murder Christians for religious reasons. So the analogy does not work.

[Chestaan]

Like, I'm against terrorism, but Israel as it currently stands is an apartheid state, and it must change.

I believe I've said this before, but a Bosnia and Herzegovina-style peace settlement would be ideal.

What's that? More importantly how the fuck is Israel an apartheid state? Where the fuck are da Israeli puppets, I mean Bantustans?

I men there has been a fair bit of ethnic cleansing going on in Israel.

[Grenartia]

Seems like OP already brought it up.

As long as it has been brought up, does anyone else notice how often the "hurr durr ebil mooslems don't liek LGBT" gets brought up by western Islamophobes who also don't like LGBT people?

Like, if they're so concerned about LGBT+ rights that they're concerned about our human rights issues abroad, what the hell are they doing for our human rights at home? It just reeks of transparent concern trolling designed to 'score points' against muslims and stoke hatred and fear against them in the LGBT+ community.

In fact, it seems like its done exclusively to try and distract us from the inequalities we face here at home. "Who cares if you can get fired just for transitioning or getting gay married? That lady in the hijab wants to throw you off a fucking building!"

I think it's a matter of "pressuring them back into the closet" versus "killing them." Like only one of those is supposed to actually help society. *shrug*

The way I see it, forcing pressuring us back into the closet is just one step intended to rollback the progress that has been made since Stonewall, so that actually killing us becomes socially tolerated again. They can't just come right out and say that's their goal, though.

Seems like OP already brought it up.

As long as it has been brought up, does anyone else notice how often the "hurr durr ebil mooslems don't liek LGBT" gets brought up by western Islamophobes who also don't like LGBT people?

Like, if they're so concerned about LGBT+ rights that they're concerned about our human rights issues abroad, what the hell are they doing for our human rights at home? It just reeks of transparent concern trolling designed to 'score points' against muslims and stoke hatred and fear against them in the LGBT+ community.

In fact, it seems like its done exclusively to try and distract us from the inequalities we face here at home. "Who cares if you can get fired just for transitioning or getting gay married? That lady in the hijab wants to throw you off a fucking building!"

I have yet to see anyone in this thread claiming that all Muslims hate LGBT people or wish to discriminate against them.

It was rather heavily implied in the OP.

[Neko-koku]

What's that? More importantly how the fuck is Israel an apartheid state? Where the fuck are da Israeli puppets, I mean Bantustans?

I men there has been a fair bit of ethnic cleansing going on in Israel.

Wow! When? Since 1948 there has been no major ethnic cleansing I'm aware of in Israel.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Kind of like the Christians who support Israel.

Israel does not attempt to murder Christians for religious reasons. So the analogy does not work.

It seizes religious sites illegally, has imprisoned leaders, and forces Christians from their traditional lands to make room for Jewish settlements.

[Grenartia]

Like, I'm against terrorism, but Israel as it currently stands is an apartheid state, and it must change.

I believe I've said this before, but a Bosnia and Herzegovina-style peace settlement would be ideal.

What's that? More importantly how the fuck is Israel an apartheid state? Where the fuck are da Israeli puppets, I mean Bantustans?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayton_Agreement

The way it treats the Palestinians is pretty damn similar to how the whites treated every other race in South Africa under Apartheid.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I men there has been a fair bit of ethnic cleansing going on in Israel.

Wow! When? Since 1948 there has been no major ethnic cleansing I'm aware of in Israel.

The settlements are ethnic cleansing, they force Palestinian villages off of their land, then build new towns for Jews.

[Neko-koku]

Israel does not attempt to murder Christians for religious reasons. So the analogy does not work.

It seizes religious sites illegally, has imprisoned leaders, and forces Christians from their traditional lands to make room for Jewish settlements.

I assume that these all have happened. Yes. These fucking suck. However it is still not at the level of LGBTs vs Palestine.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It seizes religious sites illegally, has imprisoned leaders, and forces Christians from their traditional lands to make room for Jewish settlements.

I assume that these all have happened. Yes. These fucking suck. However it is still not at the level of LGBTs vs Palestine.

You're right, it's much worse than what Palestine does to LGBT people and on a much larger scale.

[New Hennig]

I think it's a matter of "pressuring them back into the closet" versus "killing them." Like only one of those is supposed to actually help society. *shrug*

The way I see it, forcing pressuring us back into the closet is just one step intended to rollback the progress that has been made since Stonewall, so that actually killing us becomes socially tolerated again. They can't just come right out and say that's their goal, though.

I have yet to see anyone in this thread claiming that all Muslims hate LGBT people or wish to discriminate against them.

It was rather heavily implied in the OP.

Let’s us review the OP then.
In rather typical Islamic fundamentalist fashion Palestinian police in the West Bank have banned a planned event by LGBT organizers and threatened to arrest anyone involved. Obviously, I believe this is a grotesque abuse of power and demonstrates the continued persecution that these people face in Palestine.

I see “Islamic fundamentalist”, that is not all Muslims, not by a long shot. Would you have any objection if we replace the words with ”Christian fundamentalist“??

See, it is typical for religious fundamentalists of the Abrahamic faiths to discriminate against LGBT people.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

How forward thinking?

[Neko-koku]

What's that? More importantly how the fuck is Israel an apartheid state? Where the fuck are da Israeli puppets, I mean Bantustans?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dayton_Agreement

The way it treats the Palestinians is pretty damn similar to how the whites treated every other race in South Africa under Apartheid.

Except for Japanese, Koreans and Taiwanese (and finally Chinese and Indians in the 80s)?

Not really. South Africa was never supposed to be a white state. It was a white-dominated state with Coloreds and Indians having their own representation IN SA while blacks were supposed to go to nominally independent Bantustans that were clearly SA puppets.

Israel on the other hand does not have similar settlements with either Arab Israelis or Palestinians. Neither PA nor Hamas is an Israeli puppet unlike Venda etc. Arab Israelis are just normal Israelis who aren't barred from normal Israeli activities. Palestinians on the other hand aren't either Israelis or Israeli puppets.

[Grenartia]

The way I see it, forcing pressuring us back into the closet is just one step intended to rollback the progress that has been made since Stonewall, so that actually killing us becomes socially tolerated again. They can't just come right out and say that's their goal, though.



It was rather heavily implied in the OP.

Let’s us review the OP then.
In rather typical Islamic fundamentalist fashion Palestinian police in the West Bank have banned a planned event by LGBT organizers and threatened to arrest anyone involved. Obviously, I believe this is a grotesque abuse of power and demonstrates the continued persecution that these people face in Palestine.

I see “Islamic fundamentalist”, that is not all Muslims, not by a long shot.

"Islamic fundamentalist" is often a dogwhistle for "anyone who is visibly muslim".

[Estanglia]

Like, I'm against terrorism, but Israel as it currently stands is an apartheid state, and it must change.

I believe I've said this before, but a Bosnia and Herzegovina-style peace settlement would be ideal.

What's that?

From Wikipedia, it seems that Bosnia-Herzegovina is split into different entities.

There's Republika Srpska (from Serb-controlled areas during the Bosnian war), the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina (from Bosnian-controlled areas) and the Brčko District (formed from territory from both).

My best guess is to have a unified Israel-Palestine, where one entity in it is Israel and another is Palestine (or the West Bank and Gaza separately), maybe with Jerusalem as a Brčko District-style entity.

[Grenartia]

What's that?

From Wikipedia, it seems that Bosnia-Herzegovina is split into different entities.

There's Republika Srpska (from Serb-controlled areas during the Bosnian war), the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina (from Bosnian-controlled areas) and the Brčko District (formed from territory from both).

My best guess is to have a unified Israel-Palestine, where one entity in it is Israel and another is Palestine (or the West Bank and Gaza separately), maybe with Jerusalem as a Brčko District-style entity.

Pretty much.

[Neko-koku]

Let’s us review the OP then.
In rather typical Islamic fundamentalist fashion Palestinian police in the West Bank have banned a planned event by LGBT organizers and threatened to arrest anyone involved. Obviously, I believe this is a grotesque abuse of power and demonstrates the continued persecution that these people face in Palestine.

I see “Islamic fundamentalist”, that is not all Muslims, not by a long shot.

"Islamic fundamentalist" is often a dogwhistle for "anyone who is visibly muslim".

Social liberalism. Multiculturalism. Pick one. Why? Because almost all non-Western cultures are a lot more collectivist and authoritarian than even Western traditionalists. If you accept multiculturalism then you essentially accepting something similar to your trad enemies..ON STEROIDS.

I'm actually mostly a social liberal lol..

[New Hennig]

Let’s us review the OP then.
In rather typical Islamic fundamentalist fashion Palestinian police in the West Bank have banned a planned event by LGBT organizers and threatened to arrest anyone involved. Obviously, I believe this is a grotesque abuse of power and demonstrates the continued persecution that these people face in Palestine.

I see “Islamic fundamentalist”, that is not all Muslims, not by a long shot.

"Islamic fundamentalist" is often a dogwhistle for "anyone who is visibly muslim".

There are Islamic fundamentalists, as there are Christian fundamentalists.

One can be critical of both.

[Cruciland]

"Islamic fundamentalist" is often a dogwhistle for "anyone who is visibly muslim".

There are Islamic fundamentalists, as there are Christians fundamentalists.

One can be critical of both.

Also of note, nobody here is saying "all Muslims" or "all Christians." The dogwhistle analogy isn't even accurate, to say nothing of how tame people who criticize "Islamic fundamentalism" can often be.

[Grenartia]

"Islamic fundamentalist" is often a dogwhistle for "anyone who is visibly muslim".

Social liberalism. Multiculturalism. Pick one. Why? Because almost all non-Western cultures are a lot more collectivist and authoritarian than even Western traditionalists. If you accept multiculturalism then you essentially accepting something similar to your trad enemies..ON STEROIDS.

First of all, that is not inherently the case at all. Secondly, the same arguments were made in the US during the late 1800s about the Irish, about the Italians, the Japanese, the Chinese, etc. History has shown that to be an utterly false claim. Third, what the fuck does that have to do with what I said?