Palestinian police vow crackdown on LGBT events

[Crockerland]

Texan Paleoconservative who thinks that Franco is a saint. Save yourself the trouble of debating human rights with that kind of ideology...

Some people are just freaked out by anything they don't understand, and believe that the best way to handle that is to bully the "other" until the "other" goes away.

Lol @ thinking Dio is a paleocon.

Not sure about the "con", but based on the repulsive, hateful vitriol of the "thoughts" section of his signature, his views would certainly be more appropriate left in the Paleolithic Era.

[Blueflarst]

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Palestinian police have threatened to arrest anyone involved in an upcoming gathering planned by LGBTQ activists in the northern West Bank town of Nablus.

Palestinian police have banned events organized by the LGBTQ rights organization alQaws because they go against “traditional Palestinian values,” the rights group said in a statement Sunday.

The organization condemned the ban and recent attacks on LGBTQ Palestinians, including the reported stabbing of a 16-year-old outside an LGBTQ youth shelter in Tel Aviv.

“AlQaws condemns the use of prosecution, intimidation and threats of arrest, be it by the police or members of society,” the group wrote on Facebook. “We have always been public and accessible about our work, through maintaining an active website, social media presence and engagement in civil society. However, we have never received threats to this extent before.”

AlQaws for Sexual & Gender Diversity in Palestinian Society emerged as a project in 2001 and formalized in 2007, according to its website. As part of the group’s work, it regularly holds events throughout Palestinian territories and offers support for LGBTQ people through hotlines and partnerships with other civil rights groups.

The statement from the Palestinian police announcing the ban came after alQaws held an event in Nablus, a city in the northern West Bank, in early August. The organization had plans to hold another event there at the end of the month.

Police said Sunday they would "pursue this gathering" and seek charges against anyone involved in it, according to The Associated Press. The Palestinian police are under the Western-backed Palestinian Authority, which governs parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

Word of the gathering had sparked fierce debate on social media, with some Palestinians defending the activists and others condemning them for violating religious and traditional norms.

“We have never received threats to this extent before,” alQaws said in its Facebook statement. However, it acknowledged that the “crackdown against the fight for sexual and gender liberation is not new.”

“Throughout modern history, it has served as a powerful card for oppressive regimes and governments,” the group stated. “Sadly, the PA statement and subsequent public responses are well-honed tactics in the game of political gain and smoke-screening, not limited to the Palestinian Authority or to this particular event.”

Despite the crackdown, however, the alQaws said it will continue to work to combat the “social violence against LGBT Palestinians.”

Neither alQaws nor the Palestinian police immediately responded to NBC News’ request for comment.

Sa’ed Atshan, an assistant professor of peace and conflict studies at Swarthmore College and author of “Queer Palestine and the Empire of Critique,” said the Palestinian police's statement about alQaws is an attempt to “score morality points.”

By focusing on LGBTQ people, Atshan told NBC News, the Palestinian Authority can distract everyday Palestinians away from "its impotence in the face of the occupation."

Being openly LGBTQ in Palestine, though, isn’t easy regardless, according to Atshan. He said unless you’re from a wealthy or secular family or live in a city, it can be difficult being out.

“While increasing numbers of LGB Palestinians are identifying as such, and slowly trans folks in Palestine are coming out, it is still tremendously difficult to live one’s life authentically, particularly as a trans person,” he explained.

Atshan also noted there seems to be an increase in anti-LGBTQ public expressions in Palestinian territories.

“This is a serious problem in our society,” he said, “and we have not grappled with the long-entrenched and ingrained homophobia in our society in a serious or robust, large-scale manner yet.”

And authorities seem to be leading the charge.

“The Palestinian Authority's police have also been inciting surveillance and violence against LGBTQ Palestinians from their own families, neighbors and co-workers, with a spike now in social media posts calling for assaults against queer people in the West Bank,” Atshan explained.

Homosexuality is taboo in Arab countries, many of which criminalize it. Approximately 70 countries around the world — most in Africa and the Mideast — criminalize homosexuality.

In rather typical Islamic fundamentalist fashion Palestinian police in the West Bank have banned a planned event by LGBT organizers and threatened to arrest anyone involved. Obviously, I believe this is a grotesque abuse of power and demonstrates the continued persecution that these people face in Palestine.

Thoughts?

They are doing the right move. This people rights lead to sodomy and sexual perversion when increased, just see my country the spanish kingdom they were opressed until few years and now they are trying to convert all the people to their free sex culture if can be called like a culture. They kiss in front of cathloic churches just to disturb the monks they pass laws about hate speech when they are the first promoting hate againist anyone oppossing their sodoma circus and they promote sexuality into the children. There have been cases of sexual teachings to minors of 11 and less years in Madrid schools and they promote a hateful view againist anyone which does not share their supposedly progressive policies.
This movements can cause regressive effect and the West is the proof.
The carry children to gay parades they try to promote sexuality and they are hateful.

East Europa and Middle West can save their peoples of the same future if they take the right action now.
When this so called sexual minorities obtain their rights there it will be late they will start their crusade lobbying politicians bribing media owners and passing laws to promote their sexual revolution.
Be aware this movements does not care about the people rights they are not going to protest in countries where the deat penalty kills people for sexuality they are going to use their fund to convert the moderate countries to their values.
It must be stopped.

[Andsed]

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In rather typical Islamic fundamentalist fashion Palestinian police in the West Bank have banned a planned event by LGBT organizers and threatened to arrest anyone involved. Obviously, I believe this is a grotesque abuse of power and demonstrates the continued persecution that these people face in Palestine.

Thoughts?

They are doing the right move. This people rights lead to sodomy and sexual perversion when increased, just see my country the spanish kingdom they were opressed until few years and now they are trying to convert all the people to their free sex culture if can be called like a culture. They kiss in front of cathloic churches just to disturb the monks they pass laws about hate speech when they are the first promoting hate againist anyone oppossing their sodoma circus and they promote sexuality into the children. There have been cases of sexual teachings to minors of 11 and less years in Madrid schools and they promote a hateful view againist anyone which does not share their supposedly progressive policies.
This movements can cause regressive effect and the West is the proof.
The carry children to gay parades they try to promote sexuality and they are hateful.

East Europa and Middle West can save their peoples of the same future if they take the right action now.
When this so called sexual minorities obtain their rights there it will be late they will start their crusade lobbying politicians bribing media owners and passing laws to promote their sexual revolution.
Be aware this movements does not care about the people rights they are not going to protest in countries where the deat penalty kills people for sexuality they are going to use their fund to convert the moderate countries to their values.
It must be stopped.

Okay several things. First off your idea of homosexuals being a bunch of sex craved folks who are trying to convert ¨people¨ is a mere stereotype. In reality most homosexuals are just like your average heterosexual. Secondly want to explain how tolerating the existence of a group who harms no one regress a society? And finally the gay rights movement does not need to be stopped and is not trying to convert people. All they are doing is fighting for their rights to not be killed and oppressed.

[The Alma Mater]

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In rather typical Islamic fundamentalist fashion Palestinian police in the West Bank have banned a planned event by LGBT organizers and threatened to arrest anyone involved. Obviously, I believe this is a grotesque abuse of power and demonstrates the continued persecution that these people face in Palestine.

Thoughts?

They are doing the right move. This people rights lead to sodomy and sexual perversion when increased, just see my country the spanish kingdom they were opressed until few years and now they are trying to convert all the people to their free sex culture if can be called like a culture. They kiss in front of cathloic churches just to disturb the monks they pass laws about hate speech when they are the first promoting hate againist anyone oppossing their sodoma circus and they promote sexuality into the children. There have been cases of sexual teachings to minors of 11 and less years in Madrid schools and they promote a hateful view againist anyone which does not share their supposedly progressive policies.
This movements can cause regressive effect and the West is the proof.
The carry children to gay parades they try to promote sexuality and they are hateful.

East Europa and Middle West can save their peoples of the same future if they take the right action now.
When this so called sexual minorities obtain their rights there it will be late they will start their crusade lobbying politicians bribing media owners and passing laws to promote their sexual revolution.
Be aware this movements does not care about the people rights they are not going to protest in countries where the deat penalty kills people for sexuality they are going to use their fund to convert the moderate countries to their values.
It must be stopped.

You say this as if sexual perversion is a bad thing. How bad is it, on a scale from jaywalking to religion ?

[Nakena]

They are doing the right move. This people rights lead to sodomy and sexual perversion when increased, just see my country the spanish kingdom they were opressed until few years and now they are trying to convert all the people to their free sex culture if can be called like a culture. They kiss in front of cathloic churches just to disturb the monks they pass laws about hate speech when they are the first promoting hate againist anyone oppossing their sodoma circus and they promote sexuality into the children. There have been cases of sexual teachings to minors of 11 and less years in Madrid schools and they promote a hateful view againist anyone which does not share their supposedly progressive policies.
This movements can cause regressive effect and the West is the proof.
The carry children to gay parades they try to promote sexuality and they are hateful.

Do you got any english sauces on that?^^

[The New California Republic]

They are doing the right move. This people rights lead to sodomy and sexual perversion when increased, just see my country the spanish kingdom they were opressed until few years and now they are trying to convert all the people to their free sex culture if can be called like a culture.

Wrong. People can't be converted to homosexuality.

They kiss in front of cathloic churches just to disturb the monks they pass laws about hate speech when they are the first promoting hate againist anyone oppossing their sodoma circus

Evidence?

There have been cases of sexual teachings to minors of 11 and less years in Madrid schools and they promote a hateful view againist anyone which does not share their supposedly progressive policies.

That has nothing to do with homosexuality.

This movements can cause regressive effect and the West is the proof.

Evidence?

The carry children to gay parades they try to promote sexuality and they are hateful.

None of this follows from what you have said.

Be aware this movements does not care about the people rights they are not going to protest in countries where the deat penalty kills people for sexuality

deat? At least it isn't dos I guess...

[Cekoviu]

Lol @ thinking Dio is a paleocon.

Not sure about the "con", but based on the repulsive, hateful vitriol of the "thoughts" section of his signature, his views would certainly be more appropriate left in the Paleolithic Era.

Hey, paleolithic people didn't do anything to deserve those views being around!

[Novus America]

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In rather typical Islamic fundamentalist fashion Palestinian police in the West Bank have banned a planned event by LGBT organizers and threatened to arrest anyone involved. Obviously, I believe this is a grotesque abuse of power and demonstrates the continued persecution that these people face in Palestine.

Thoughts?

They are doing the right move. This people rights lead to sodomy and sexual perversion when increased, just see my country the spanish kingdom they were opressed until few years and now they are trying to convert all the people to their free sex culture if can be called like a culture. They kiss in front of cathloic churches just to disturb the monks they pass laws about hate speech when they are the first promoting hate againist anyone oppossing their sodoma circus and they promote sexuality into the children. There have been cases of sexual teachings to minors of 11 and less years in Madrid schools and they promote a hateful view againist anyone which does not share their supposedly progressive policies.
This movements can cause regressive effect and the West is the proof.
The carry children to gay parades they try to promote sexuality and they are hateful.

East Europa and Middle West can save their peoples of the same future if they take the right action now.
When this so called sexual minorities obtain their rights there it will be late they will start their crusade lobbying politicians bribing media owners and passing laws to promote their sexual revolution.
Be aware this movements does not care about the people rights they are not going to protest in countries where the deat penalty kills people for sexuality they are going to use their fund to convert the moderate countries to their values.
It must be stopped.

Uh huh,
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/305774/
So you want a society built on lies.

[Purgatio]

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In rather typical Islamic fundamentalist fashion Palestinian police in the West Bank have banned a planned event by LGBT organizers and threatened to arrest anyone involved. Obviously, I believe this is a grotesque abuse of power and demonstrates the continued persecution that these people face in Palestine.

Thoughts?

They are doing the right move. This people rights lead to sodomy and sexual perversion when increased, just see my country the spanish kingdom they were opressed until few years and now they are trying to convert all the people to their free sex culture if can be called like a culture. They kiss in front of cathloic churches just to disturb the monks they pass laws about hate speech when they are the first promoting hate againist anyone oppossing their sodoma circus and they promote sexuality into the children. There have been cases of sexual teachings to minors of 11 and less years in Madrid schools and they promote a hateful view againist anyone which does not share their supposedly progressive policies.
This movements can cause regressive effect and the West is the proof.
The carry children to gay parades they try to promote sexuality and they are hateful.

East Europa and Middle West can save their peoples of the same future if they take the right action now.
When this so called sexual minorities obtain their rights there it will be late they will start their crusade lobbying politicians bribing media owners and passing laws to promote their sexual revolution.
Be aware this movements does not care about the people rights they are not going to protest in countries where the deat penalty kills people for sexuality they are going to use their fund to convert the moderate countries to their values.
It must be stopped.

This argument has as much intellectual merit as Justinian's claim that homosexuality leads to earthquakes or Pat Robertson claiming sodomy causes hurricanes

[Neko-koku]

They are doing the right move. This people rights lead to sodomy and sexual perversion when increased, just see my country the spanish kingdom they were opressed until few years and now they are trying to convert all the people to their free sex culture if can be called like a culture. They kiss in front of cathloic churches just to disturb the monks they pass laws about hate speech when they are the first promoting hate againist anyone oppossing their sodoma circus and they promote sexuality into the children. There have been cases of sexual teachings to minors of 11 and less years in Madrid schools and they promote a hateful view againist anyone which does not share their supposedly progressive policies.
This movements can cause regressive effect and the West is the proof.
The carry children to gay parades they try to promote sexuality and they are hateful.

East Europa and Middle West can save their peoples of the same future if they take the right action now.
When this so called sexual minorities obtain their rights there it will be late they will start their crusade lobbying politicians bribing media owners and passing laws to promote their sexual revolution.
Be aware this movements does not care about the people rights they are not going to protest in countries where the deat penalty kills people for sexuality they are going to use their fund to convert the moderate countries to their values.
It must be stopped.

This argument has as much intellectual merit as Justinian's claim that homosexuality leads to earthquakes or Pat Robertson claiming sodomy causes hurricanes

It at least has more intellectual merit than these assuming atheism.

Justinian and Pat Robertson's claims are good examples of why everything is downstream from religion or lack thereof. They aren't absurd if you assume their religious positions.

[Purgatio]

This argument has as much intellectual merit as Justinian's claim that homosexuality leads to earthquakes or Pat Robertson claiming sodomy causes hurricanes

It at least has more intellectual merit than these assuming atheism.

Justinian and Pat Robertson's claims are good examples of why everything is downstream from religion or lack thereof. They aren't absurd if you assume their religious positions.

That's a very big 'if' though

[Neko-koku]

It at least has more intellectual merit than these assuming atheism.

Justinian and Pat Robertson's claims are good examples of why everything is downstream from religion or lack thereof. They aren't absurd if you assume their religious positions.

That's a very big 'if' though

Yeah, it is.

However that's necessary if you ever want to understand what religious people are talking about. Religion somewhat functions like eyeglasses. People who have different religions wear different eyeglasses. Religious views don't change the universe, however they pretty much strongly influence how people view everything else in the universe.

For example Islamic martyrdom is a serious utility loss assuming atheism or deism. However it is an infinite utility gain assuming Islam.

[Purgatio]

That's a very big 'if' though

Yeah, it is.

However that's necessary if you ever want to understand what religious people are talking about. Religion somewhat functions like eyeglasses. People who have different religions wear different eyeglasses. Religious views don't change the universe, however they pretty much strongly influence how people view everything else in the universe.

For example Islamic martyrdom is a utility loss assuming atheism or deism. However it is an infinite utility gain assuming Islam.

True, but its also important to remember there are a lot of moderate and liberal-minded religious people out there who don't believe that gay people cause the downfall of civilisation

[Neko-koku]

Yeah, it is.

However that's necessary if you ever want to understand what religious people are talking about. Religion somewhat functions like eyeglasses. People who have different religions wear different eyeglasses. Religious views don't change the universe, however they pretty much strongly influence how people view everything else in the universe.

For example Islamic martyrdom is a utility loss assuming atheism or deism. However it is an infinite utility gain assuming Islam.

True, but its also important to remember there are a lot of moderate and liberal-minded religious people out there who don't believe that gay people cause the downfall of civilisation

That's actually a complete different statement.

There is no way homosexuality can cause earthquakes at all unless "Homosexuality offends a deity who causes earthquakes" counts.

However "gay people cause the downfall of civilization" is at least a testable claim that should be tested. I don't really know how homosexuality can directly cause the downfall of civilization since strict homosexuals aren't numerous enough to have any significant impact on any society. Unless you meant something else....like... in a society that is traditionally anti-homosexual homosexuality is an indication of weakening of tradition and lowering of asabiyyah which may lead to downfall of civilizations. Homosexuality itself doesn't matter. People rebelling against arbitrary tradition on the other hand matters. Hence homosexuality correlates with the loss of asabiyyah which is the real cause of the downfall of civilization.

[Purgatio]

True, but its also important to remember there are a lot of moderate and liberal-minded religious people out there who don't believe that gay people cause the downfall of civilisation

That's actually a complete different statement.

There is no way homosexuality can cause earthquakes at all unless "Homosexuality offends a deity who causes earthquakes" counts.

However "gay people cause the downfall of civilization" is at least a testable claim that should be tested. I don't really know how homosexuality can directly cause the downfall of civilization since strict homosexuals aren't numerous enough to have any significant impact on any society. Unless you meant something else....like... in a society that is traditionally anti-homosexual homosexuality is an indication of weakening of tradition and lowering of asabiyyah which may lead to downfall of civilizations. Homosexuality itself doesn't matter. People rebelling against arbitrary tradition on the other hand matters. Hence homosexuality correlates with the loss of asabiyyah which is the real cause of the downfall of civilization.

Dude I'm not the one making the argument that homosexuals cause civilisational collapse, I'm the one arguing against it so you're kinda preaching to the choir (https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=36139454#p36139454)

[Neko-koku]

That's actually a complete different statement.

There is no way homosexuality can cause earthquakes at all unless "Homosexuality offends a deity who causes earthquakes" counts.

However "gay people cause the downfall of civilization" is at least a testable claim that should be tested. I don't really know how homosexuality can directly cause the downfall of civilization since strict homosexuals aren't numerous enough to have any significant impact on any society. Unless you meant something else....like... in a society that is traditionally anti-homosexual homosexuality is an indication of weakening of tradition and lowering of asabiyyah which may lead to downfall of civilizations. Homosexuality itself doesn't matter. People rebelling against arbitrary tradition on the other hand matters. Hence homosexuality correlates with the loss of asabiyyah which is the real cause of the downfall of civilization.

Dude I'm not the one making the argument that homosexuals cause civilisational collapse, I'm the one arguing against it so you're kinda preaching to the choir (https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=36139454#p36139454)

Yeah. However I can not argue with them. The main problem here is that if we assume Christianity then we have to agree with them and if they assume atheism they will probably agree with us. So differences on social policies are simply directly caused by religious differences and nothing else.

Now can we settle the religious question? No! Humans have been debating over religion for thousands of years. Have we finally found an answer we can all agree with? No. So there is no way out.

[Purgatio]

Dude I'm not the one making the argument that homosexuals cause civilisational collapse, I'm the one arguing against it so you're kinda preaching to the choir (https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=36139454#p36139454)

Yeah. However I can not argue with them. The main problem here is that if we assume Christianity then we have to agree with them and if they assume atheism they will probably agree with us. So differences on social policies are simply directly caused by religious differences and nothing else.

Now can we settle the religious question? No! Humans have been debating over religion for thousands of years. Have we finally found an answer we can all agree with? No.

You really don't man, Christian doesn't equal "believes gays will destroy all civilisation", that's craziness and irrationality talking

[Neko-koku]

Yeah. However I can not argue with them. The main problem here is that if we assume Christianity then we have to agree with them and if they assume atheism they will probably agree with us. So differences on social policies are simply directly caused by religious differences and nothing else.

Now can we settle the religious question? No! Humans have been debating over religion for thousands of years. Have we finally found an answer we can all agree with? No.

You really don't man, Christian doesn't equal "believes gays will destroy all civilisation", that's craziness and irrationality talking

They aren't the same. However it isn't absurd for one to claim that gays will destroy all civilization assuming Christianity. If we assume that Christianity is actually factually accurate and certain Christian traditional exegesis are factually accurate then the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah actually happened due to the Abrahamic God's punishment of male homosexuality. Then it is not unreasonable to assume that similar destruction will happen to all other civilizations that have male homosexuality..in the same sense that if one person who screams "Down with Xi Jinping!" is arrested in Guangzhou then anyone else who screams "Down with Xi Jinping!" anywhere in China is also likely to be arrested.

[Crockerland]

You really don't man, Christian doesn't equal "believes gays will destroy all civilisation", that's craziness and irrationality talking

They aren't the same. However it isn't absurd for one to claim that gays will destroy all civilization assuming Christianity. If we assume that Christianity is actually factually accurate and certain Christian traditional exegesis are factually accurate then the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah actually happened due to the Abrahamic God's punishment of male homosexuality.

Well if we assume Christianity to be factually accurate, the Bible explicitly tells us why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and it was not due to homosexuality:

Ezekiel 16:49-50
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

[Neko-koku]

They aren't the same. However it isn't absurd for one to claim that gays will destroy all civilization assuming Christianity. If we assume that Christianity is actually factually accurate and certain Christian traditional exegesis are factually accurate then the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah actually happened due to the Abrahamic God's punishment of male homosexuality.

Well if we assume Christianity to be factually accurate, the Bible explicitly tells us why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and it was not due to homosexuality:

Ezekiel 16:49-50
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

What does "abomination" mean? Some people assume that it means "male homosexuality".

[Purgatio]

You really don't man, Christian doesn't equal "believes gays will destroy all civilisation", that's craziness and irrationality talking

They aren't the same. However it isn't absurd for one to claim that gays will destroy all civilization assuming Christianity. If we assume that Christianity is actually factually accurate and certain Christian traditional exegesis are factually accurate then the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah actually happened due to the Abrahamic God's punishment of male homosexuality. Then it is not unreasonable to assume that similar destruction will happen to all other civilizations that have male homosexuality..in the same sense that if one person who screams "Down with Xi Jinping!" is arrested in Guangzhou then anyone else who screams "Down with Xi Jinping!" anywhere in China is also likely to be arrested.

Except not all Christians believe Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of homosexuality. The men in Sodom and Gomorrah literally wanted to rape two of the men in Lot's home at the time. Rape them, force themselves on them. This wasn't about consensual homosexuality between adults.

[Neko-koku]

They aren't the same. However it isn't absurd for one to claim that gays will destroy all civilization assuming Christianity. If we assume that Christianity is actually factually accurate and certain Christian traditional exegesis are factually accurate then the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah actually happened due to the Abrahamic God's punishment of male homosexuality.

Well if we assume Christianity to be factually accurate, the Bible explicitly tells us why Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, and it was not due to homosexuality:

Ezekiel 16:49-50
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

If Christianity is factually accurate then pretty much all modern humans deserve to be exterminated for not being about to starve to death.

[Novus America]

This should not become the Christian Discussion thread. Not a mod but just saying.
It seems all threads on Islam devolve into Whataboutism directed at Christianity.

[Neko-koku]

This should not become the Christian Discussion thread. Not a mod but just saying.
It seems all threads on Islam devolve into Whataboutism directed at Christianity.

What's your opinion on LGBT events then?

[Novus America]

This should not become the Christian Discussion thread. Not a mod but just saying.
It seems all threads on Islam devolve into Whataboutism directed at Christianity.

What's your opinion on LGBT events then?

Well I support freedom of speech and assembly. Even if I am not a big fan of the political points and aesthetics such events often espouse, it is not my right to ban things I disagree with politically.

This is the PA becoming more of a dictatorship.

Which means we need and alternative to BOTH the PA and Hamas if we actually want a free Palestine.