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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:05 pm

It's not Islamic fundamentalism, Christians and Muslims in Arab countries broadly agree about this issue.
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:08 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Otira wrote:It was a tactical derail.

No, I just knew people would come on and bash muslims and palestinians as a whole so preempted that to show respect towards palestine, and the LGBT people, and clarify my position on the matter.

Yes show respect to a non country that is venemently anti LGBT.

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Postby Ors Might » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:08 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Otira wrote:It was a tactical derail.

No, I just knew people would come on and bash muslims and palestinians as a whole so preempted that to show respect towards palestine, and the LGBT people, and clarify my position on the matter.

How about you talk about #NotAll when people start implying that it is all of them? Because you could have brought up something actually productive, like Palestinian groups trying to change societal attitudes on the LGBT community, Palestine’s history on these sorts of issues, etc.
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Postby New Hennig » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:09 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's not Islamic fundamentalism, Christians and Muslims in Arab countries broadly agree about this issue.


Hamas is explicitly Islamist. That is whom we are speaking of.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:09 pm

Lol. I’d love to see the faces of the gaggle of cockwombles at every Israel/Palestine event with their ‘LGBTQs for Palestine’ banners. Turkeys voting for Christmas.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:10 pm

Greater Loegria wrote:Lol. I’d love to see the faces of the gaggle of cockwombles at every Israel/Palestine event with their ‘LGBTQs for Palestine’ banners. Turkeys voting for Christmas.


You mean like the #LGBTsForTrump crowd?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:10 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's not Islamic fundamentalism, Christians and Muslims in Arab countries broadly agree about this issue.


Hamas is explicitly Islamist. That is whom we are speaking of.

Hamas is not the PA.
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Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Otira wrote:It was a tactical derail.

No, I just knew people would come on and bash muslims and palestinians as a whole so preempted that to show respect towards palestine, and the LGBT people, and clarify my position on the matter.


If one can be critical of the polices of Bibi and not anti-Semitic, then one can be critical of Hamas and not be anti-Muslim.
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Greater Loegria wrote:Lol. I’d love to see the faces of the gaggle of cockwombles at every Israel/Palestine event with their ‘LGBTQs for Palestine’ banners. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Kind of like the Christians who support Israel.
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Postby Greater Loegria » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:14 pm

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Greater Loegria wrote:Lol. I’d love to see the faces of the gaggle of cockwombles at every Israel/Palestine event with their ‘LGBTQs for Palestine’ banners. Turkeys voting for Christmas.


You mean like the #LGBTsForTrump crowd?

Them too. Although to be fair a lot of that stems from the disparity of reaction by the candidates after the Pulse nightclub shooting. And some of that community are ‘libertarian’ or ‘socially conservative’. Others, like that pantomime dame Milo are just contrarian.
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Greater Loegria wrote:Lol. I’d love to see the faces of the gaggle of cockwombles at every Israel/Palestine event with their ‘LGBTQs for Palestine’ banners. Turkeys voting for Christmas.


There is such a thing as secular Palestinian nationalism, even though it may be slowly dying in the actual country, it is still somewhat common among those of Palestinian dissent in other countries.
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Postby Otira » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:14 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Lol. I’d love to see the faces of the gaggle of cockwombles at every Israel/Palestine event with their ‘LGBTQs for Palestine’ banners. Turkeys voting for Christmas.


You mean like the #LGBTsForTrump crowd?


Do those exist?

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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:14 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Ors Might wrote:How about you talk about #NotAll when people start implying that it is all of them? Because you could have brought up something actually productive, like Palestinian groups trying to change societal attitudes on the LGBT community, Palestine’s history on these sorts of issues, etc.

Because the goal is to try to dissuade those sorts of statements in the first place and to form a basis in the first page that we're condemning actions from a group and not attacking an entire people.

You don't represent an entire group, so stop saying we.

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Postby Ors Might » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:15 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Ors Might wrote:How about you talk about #NotAll when people start implying that it is all of them? Because you could have brought up something actually productive, like Palestinian groups trying to change societal attitudes on the LGBT community, Palestine’s history on these sorts of issues, etc.

Because the goal is to try to dissuade those sorts of statements in the first place and to form a basis in the first page that we're condemning actions from a group and not attacking an entire people.

That goes without saying because we’ve done nothing to attack an entire people. What, do you do this for Christianity whenever we condemn a specific sect?
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United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Greater Loegria wrote:Lol. I’d love to see the faces of the gaggle of cockwombles at every Israel/Palestine event with their ‘LGBTQs for Palestine’ banners. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Kind of like the Christians who support Israel.

Indeed. Although support for Israel as a geopolitical entity in the ME as opposed to existence as an occupying Jewish state is slightly nuanced.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:16 pm

Otira wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
You mean like the #LGBTsForTrump crowd?


Do those exist?

Somehow.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:18 pm

I still don't know where you guys are getting that Hamas is doing this. The West Bank is controlled by Fatah, which is secularist and includes most of the Christians in Palestine. Moreover, ironically, this LGBT group has rhetoric more similar to that of Hamas than that of the PLO.
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Postby Andsed » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:22 pm

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:22 pm

Otira wrote:
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You mean like the #LGBTsForTrump crowd?


Do those exist?


Where did Trump get that rainbow flag from?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:23 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Otira wrote:
Do those exist?


Where did Trump get that rainbow flag from?


A store, presumably.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:24 pm

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Ors Might wrote:That goes without saying because we’ve done nothing to attack an entire people. What, do you do this for Christianity whenever we condemn a specific sect?

I do this for anything that I can when I remember to really.

That’s not a good thing. It derails the conversation.
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:26 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Ors Might wrote:That’s not a good thing. It derails the conversation.

Well with all the trolling/blanket smearing/strawmanning entire groups of people I have felt it necessary to hopefully stop that. Often, it does, surprisingly.

Doubtful.

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Postby Grenartia » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:26 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I wanted to preemptively nip that in the bud before it was brought up.

Instead of discussing the topic?


Seems like OP already brought it up.

As long as it has been brought up, does anyone else notice how often the "hurr durr ebil mooslems don't liek LGBT" gets brought up by western Islamophobes who also don't like LGBT people?

Like, if they're so concerned about LGBT+ rights that they're concerned about our human rights issues abroad, what the hell are they doing for our human rights at home? It just reeks of transparent concern trolling designed to 'score points' against muslims and stoke hatred and fear against them in the LGBT+ community.

In fact, it seems like its done exclusively to try and distract us from the inequalities we face here at home. "Who cares if you can get fired just for transitioning or getting gay married? That lady in the hijab wants to throw you off a fucking building!"
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:27 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Ors Might wrote:I’d say Palestine treating LGBT people as subhuman scum is a perfectly good reason to “hate on” Palestine, particularly if you are LGBT.

No I mean "Palestinians are evil people ebil muslims look how barbaric they are!"

Keep in mind I'm very Pro-Israel. I'm not condoning this action at all. I'm condemning it.

I don't know why you would be pro for a rogue state that illegally acquired nuclear weapons and arguably commits ethnic cleansing on illegally occupied territory.
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