Simultaneous World Wildfires devastating forests

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

The International Criminal Court in The Hague, I presume.

And they issue warrants for the crime of making Lumen upset?

No. For the crime of contributing to climate genocide. That is what Lumen meant instead of your thinly veiled strawman.

[Loben The 2nd]

And they issue warrants for the crime of making Lumen upset?

No. For the crime of contributing to climate genocide. That is what Lumen meant instead of your thinly veiled strawman.

Climate genocide?

[Telconi]

And they issue warrants for the crime of making Lumen upset?

No. For the crime of contributing to climate genocide. That is what Lumen meant instead of your thinly veiled strawman.

Got some sauce on that?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Think I might have a plan for what Brazil can do.

We get a bunch of Brazilian people to Mexico, America and, Canada. We put them in low populated farming areas. The hiring of workers will be 50% Brazilian, 50% American/Mexican/Canadian.

We send the food 50/50 to Brazil/ Whatever country 'adopts'* them.

*They would still be Brazilian citizens


Keep doing this until Brazilian economy gets to the point where it doesn't fuck up the rainforest.

Everyone gets food, everyone gets a long term gain of employment.

[Loben The 2nd]

Think I might have a plan for what Brazil can do.

We get a bunch of Brazilian people to Mexico, America and, Canada. We put them in low populated farming areas. The hiring of workers will be 50% Brazilian, 50% American/Mexican/Canadian.

We send the food 50/50 to Brazil/ Whatever country 'adopts'* them.

*They would still be Brazilian citizens


Keep doing this until Brazilian economy gets to the point where it doesn't fuck up the rainforest.

Everyone gets food, everyone gets a long term gain of employment.

no.

[Hirota]

Just a bit of an opinion: Frankly, it's quite disturbing the amount of people who genuinely believe we should put in risk the lives of millions of humans just to save a rainforest. Sure, the environment must be protected and the loggers and people who damage the environment are scummy, but eco-terrorists and the people who sympathize with eco-terrorists are scummy, too.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk

I care more about the planet than humans at this point. Without that forest the planet is domed. That forest produces 20 percent of the air you breathe. If a bunch of people starve and have to move to coast too bad. Its less people encroaching on the homes of beautiful creatures

The heck with those farmers in Brazil treating it like an annoyance to grow more crops and graze.

I should have gone looking for this "20 percent" claim earlier. Since I'm on a fact check spree, lets continue.

No San Lumen, the 20 percent claim is bollocks, according to climate scientists and repeated by the obvious climate change deniers, the Guardian.

Do we need to worry about oxygen?
No. Although some reports have claimed the Amazon produces 20% of the world’s oxygen, it is not clear where this figure originated. The true figure is likely to be no more than 6%, according to climate scientists such as Michael Mann and Jonathan Foley. Even if it were accurate, the crops being planted in the cleared forest areas would also produce oxygen – quite likely at higher levels. So although the burning of the rainforest is worrying for many reasons, there is no need to worry about an oxygen shortage.

The Atlantic has a piece on how this 20 percent figure is nonsense.

The idea that the Amazon rainforest is burning on an unprecedented scale and that these fires will rob humanity of one of its key sources of oxygen is quite simply, fake news. There are other causes for concern, as the Guardian rightly points out.

But honestly, the hysteria peddled by the irrational take attention away from the perfectly valid issues and focus on the obviously stupid and wrong.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Think I might have a plan for what Brazil can do.

We get a bunch of Brazilian people to Mexico, America and, Canada. We put them in low populated farming areas. The hiring of workers will be 50% Brazilian, 50% American/Mexican/Canadian.

We send the food 50/50 to Brazil/ Whatever country 'adopts'* them.

*They would still be Brazilian citizens


Keep doing this until Brazilian economy gets to the point where it doesn't fuck up the rainforest.

Everyone gets food, everyone gets a long term gain of employment.

no.

Its an everyone wins long term victory.

We get more jobs and food, they get more jobs and food.

We all win.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

No San Lumen, the 20 percent claim is bollocks, according to climate scientists and repeated by the obvious climate change deniers, the Guardian.

Do we need to worry about oxygen?
No. Although some reports have claimed the Amazon produces 20% of the world’s oxygen, it is not clear where this figure originated. The true figure is likely to be no more than 6%, according to climate scientists such as Michael Mann and Jonathan Foley. Even if it were accurate, the crops being planted in the cleared forest areas would also produce oxygen – quite likely at higher levels. So although the burning of the rainforest is worrying for many reasons, there is no need to worry about an oxygen shortage.

The Atlantic has a piece on how this 20 percent figure is nonsense.

The idea that the Amazon rainforest is burning on an unprecedented scale and that these fires will rob humanity of one of its key sources of oxygen is quite simply, fake news. There are other causes for concern, as the Guardian rightly points out.

But honestly, the hysteria peddled by the irrational take attention away from the perfectly valid issues and focus on the obviously stupid and wrong.

I wonder which was published first- the Forbes article, the Atlantic article, or the Guardian article debunking that 20% myth. Too lazy to check dates on my lunch break

Anyway, the main reason we care about “saving the planet” from climate change is it poses an existential threat to the global civilization we’ve built thus far. Don’t get me wrong- endangered species and natural ecosystems are really really important- but we won’t be able to appreciate that without basic necessities of life (clean water, clean air, adequate food, livable temperatures, housing, social cohesion, etc.) that are also threatened by climate change.

[Samudera Darussalam]

no.

Its an everyone wins long term victory.

We get more jobs and food, they get more jobs and food.

We all win.

The immigration alone is going to make some people pissed, and we don't even mention the food aid yet.

Though it may or may not helping the economy, but it'll take such a long time and may or may not be successful depending on the situation or condition.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Its an everyone wins long term victory.

We get more jobs and food, they get more jobs and food.

We all win.

The immigration alone is going to make some people pissed, and we don't even mention the food aid yet.

Though it may or may not helping the economy, but it'll take such a long time and may or may not be successful depending on the situation or condition.

It would be food aid that we half grow and half get for ourselves. The other half goes to Brazil.

More people geting jobs = better economy.

(people get jobs= they get paid= they buy more things = the people who make those things need to hire more people to make more things, prossess repeats)

[Kowani]

I care more about the planet than humans at this point. Without that forest the planet is domed. That forest produces 20 percent of the air you breathe. If a bunch of people starve and have to move to coast too bad. Its less people encroaching on the homes of beautiful creatures

The heck with those farmers in Brazil treating it like an annoyance to grow more crops and graze.

I should have gone looking for this "20 percent" claim earlier. Since I'm on a fact check spree, lets continue.

No San Lumen, the 20 percent claim is bollocks, according to climate scientists and repeated by the obvious climate change deniers, the Guardian.

Do we need to worry about oxygen?
No. Although some reports have claimed the Amazon produces 20% of the world’s oxygen, it is not clear where this figure originated. The true figure is likely to be no more than 6%, according to climate scientists such as Michael Mann and Jonathan Foley. Even if it were accurate, the crops being planted in the cleared forest areas would also produce oxygen – quite likely at higher levels. So although the burning of the rainforest is worrying for many reasons, there is no need to worry about an oxygen shortage.

The Atlantic has a piece on how this 20 percent figure is nonsense.

The idea that the Amazon rainforest is burning on an unprecedented scale and that these fires will rob humanity of one of its key sources of oxygen is quite simply, fake news. There are other causes for concern, as the Guardian rightly points out.

But honestly, the hysteria peddled by the irrational take attention away from the perfectly valid issues and focus on the obviously stupid and wrong.

Alright, most of this is true. But the idea that the replacement for the Amazon will produce more oxygen? Bullshit. Literally, as the deforestation is for cattle ranching.

[Hirota]

I should have gone looking for this "20 percent" claim earlier. Since I'm on a fact check spree, lets continue.

No San Lumen, the 20 percent claim is bollocks, according to climate scientists and repeated by the obvious climate change deniers, the Guardian.



The Atlantic has a piece on how this 20 percent figure is nonsense.

The idea that the Amazon rainforest is burning on an unprecedented scale and that these fires will rob humanity of one of its key sources of oxygen is quite simply, fake news. There are other causes for concern, as the Guardian rightly points out.

But honestly, the hysteria peddled by the irrational take attention away from the perfectly valid issues and focus on the obviously stupid and wrong.

Alright, most of this is true. But the idea that the replacement for the Amazon will produce more oxygen? Bullshit. Literally, as the deforestation is for cattle ranching.

Like I said, those madlads over at the Guardian are obvious climate change deniers.

Anyhoo, yes they do produce a lot of beef - second largest behind the US. But they are also the worlds largest exporters of sugar, coffee, and soy beans. Something there for the everyone to enjoy.

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Alright, most of this is true. But the idea that the replacement for the Amazon will produce more oxygen? Bullshit. Literally, as the deforestation is for cattle ranching.

Like I said, those madlads over at the Guardian are obvious climate change deniers.

Anyhoo, yes they do produce a lot of beef - second largest behind the US. But they are also the worlds largest exporters of sugar, coffee, and soy beans. Something there for the everyone to enjoy.

That Guardian article did refute the 20% claim but did not diminish the severity of this crisis in any way. There is also information in that same article backed by scientific research that says the Amazon is close to a tipping point at which it will start turning into a dry savannah.

[Thepeopl]

Like I said, those madlads over at the Guardian are obvious climate change deniers.

Anyhoo, yes they do produce a lot of beef - second largest behind the US. But they are also the worlds largest exporters of sugar, coffee, and soy beans. Something there for the everyone to enjoy.

That Guardian article did refute the 20% claim but did not diminish the severity of this crisis in any way. There is also information in that same article backed by scientific research that says the Amazon is close to a tipping point at which it will start turning into a dry savannah.

The main concern should be: all CO2 which is stored in the trees and plants of the rainforest is being released very quickly by the fires. Also fires consume O2.

The biodiversity of the rainforest will be compromised and won't be restored because we use the land for crops/ animals.

Also the soot is harmful for lungs. So lots of people and animals will have trouble breathing, will develop health problems.

[Ayytaly]

The trend Trump started for world leaders behaving like petulant toddlers is not good for humanity.

Nope. Trump just continued what was started by British leaders who regret losing Hong Kong.

[Hirota]

The trend Trump started for world leaders behaving like petulant toddlers is not good for humanity.

Nope. Trump just continued what was started by British leaders who regret losing Hong Kong.

Well, ask most Hong Kong civilians and they probably regret being lost.

But this isn't about Hong Kong, or about trump. Shoo.

That Guardian article did refute the 20% claim but did not diminish the severity of this crisis in any way. There is also information in that same article backed by scientific research that says the Amazon is close to a tipping point at which it will start turning into a dry savannah.

The main concern should be: all CO2 which is stored in the trees and plants of the rainforest is being released very quickly by the fires. Also fires consume O2.

The biodiversity of the rainforest will be compromised and won't be restored because we use the land for crops/ animals.

Also the soot is harmful for lungs. So lots of people and animals will have trouble breathing, will develop health problems.

I don't particularly disagree with these concerns - I already noted the biodiversity issue was a big one.

But there is a right way to go about dealing with issues and a wrong way. Creating imaginary numbers and relying on obviously reknowned experts of the enviroment Leonardo Di Caprio and Portugese tosspot Ronaldo for everything you know about the enviroment are a wrong way.