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Postby Nakena » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:01 pm

Leaked documents show Brazil’s Bolsonaro has grave plans for Amazon rainforest

Leaked documents show that Jair Bolsonaro's government intends to use the Brazilian president's hate speech to isolate minorities living in the Amazon region. The PowerPoint slides, which democraciaAbierta has seen, also reveal plans to implement predatory projects that could have a devastating environmental impact.

The Bolsonaro government has as one of its priorities to strategically occupy the Amazon region to prevent the implementation of multilateral conservation projects for the rainforest, specifically the so-called “Triple A” project.

Development projects must be implemented on the Amazon basin to integrate it into the rest of the national territory in order to fight off international pressure for the implementation of the so-called 'Triple A' project. To do this, it is necessary to build the Trombetas River hydroelectric plant, the Óbidos bridge over the Amazon River, and the implementation of the BR-163 highway to the border with Suriname," one of slides read.

In February, ministers Gustavo Bebianno (Secretary-General of the Presidency), Ricardo Salles (Environment) and Damares Alves (Women, Family and Human Rights) had planned travel to Tiriós (Pará) to speak with local leaders about the construction of a bridge over the Amazon River in the city of Óbidos, a hydroelectric plant in Oriximiná, and the expansion of the BR-163 highway to the Suriname border. But this meeting was canceled.

A second meeting among government officials, also in February, used a PowerPoint presentation that details the projects announced by the Bolsonaro government for the region. The presentation, which was leaked to democraciaAbierta, argues that a strong government presence in the Amazon region is important to prevent any conservation projects from taking roots.

The slides are clear. Before any predatory plan is implemented, the strategy begins with rhetoric. Bolsonaro's hate speech already shows that the plan is working. The Amazon is on fire. It's been burning for weeks and not even those who live in Brazil were fully aware. Thanks to the efforts of local communities with the help of social networks, the reality is finally going viral.

The online reaction is far from being sensationalist. This year alone, Brazil had 72,000 fire outbreaks, half of which are in the Amazon. The National Institute for Space Research (Inpe) reported that its satellite data showed an 84% increase on the same period in 2018.

Attacking non-governmental organizations is part of the Bolsonaro government's strategy. According to another of the PowerPoint's slide, the country is currently facing a globalist campaign that "relativizes the National Sovereignty in the Amazon Basin," using a combination of international pressure and also what the government called "psychological oppression" both externally and internally.

This campaign mobilizes environmental and indigenous rights organizations, as well as the media, to exert diplomatic and economic pressure on Brazilian institutions. The conspiracy also encourages minorities – mainly indigenous and quilombola (residents of settlements founded by people of African origin who escaped slavery) – to act with the support of public institutions at the federal, state and municipal levels. The result of this movement, they say in the presentation, restricts "the government's freedom of action".
Item 3 of the document points out that the seeks to fight off "international pressures" for the implementation of a conservation projects known as Triple A. | democraciaAbierta

So it is unsurprising that Bolsonaro's response to the fires comes in the form of an attack on NGOs. On Wednesday, August 21, Bolsonaro said he believed non-governmental organizations could be behind the fires as a tactic "to draw attention against me, against the government of Brazil.".

Bolsonaro did not cite names of NGOs and, when asked if he has evidence to support the allegations, he said there were no written records of the suspicions. According to the president, NGOs may be retaliating against his government's budget cuts. His government cut 40 percent of international transfers to NGOs, he added.

Part of the government's strategy of circumventing this globalist campaign is to depreciate the relevance and voices of minorities that live in the region, transforming them into enemies. One of the tactics cited in the document is to redefine the paradigms of indigenism, quilombolism and environmentalism through the lenses of liberalism and conservatism, based on realist theories. Those are, according to a slide, "the new hopes for the Homeland: Brazil above everything!"


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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:07 pm

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Yes, we literally can and in the process of doing so, not killing an unknown number of people in the process all in the name of the greater good like some fascist tinpot.



I still can't wrap my head around the fact that both San and LUNA both think it's not only a good plan but an acceptable one at that to basically kill other people over this.


The planet matters more than anything else and I never mentioned killing anyone


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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Yes, we literally can and in the process of doing so, not killing an unknown number of people in the process all in the name of the greater good like some fascist tinpot.



I still can't wrap my head around the fact that both San and LUNA both think it's not only a good plan but an acceptable one at that to basically kill other people over this.


The planet matters more than anything else and I never mentioned killing anyone


No, it doesn't.

And yes, you are by supporting someone who is saying just that so kindly stop lying as it doesn't suit you and either stand by your statement or retract it.
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Why should we wait for the people of Brazil to act? Why not point a drone missile at Bolsonaro and threaten to fire unless he turns himself in?

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:7 billion people's climate is at stake. America won't have to go it alone. Billions of guns pointed at Rio will make its people think twice about resisting.

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Or.. you know.. we can at least act like civilized people who have a functional brain and not do that and look for other more practical solutions.

Like what? We can’t wait around for this monster to change his tune. Drastic measures need to be taken to save the planet
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Postby Lanoraie II » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:13 pm

Thank god its cooling down in the northern hemisphere. Not sure what Brazil, Bolivia, etc. plan to do about their fires though, if anything.... Especially Brazil. :|
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:15 pm

Lanoraie II wrote:Thank god its cooling down in the northern hemisphere. Not sure what Brazil, Bolivia, etc. plan to do about their fires though, if anything.... Especially Brazil. :|


Brazil is actually ramping up it's firefighting efforts in the area actually, which I say good for them. :)
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:17 pm

Nakena wrote:
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Of course it’s to isolate the Amerindians. Why wouldn’t it be? Because Bolsonaro’s a fuckstick, that’s why. How dare we respect the people we genocided into oblivion.

Also: quilombolism?
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Postby Nakena » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:19 pm

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Of course it’s to isolate the Amerindians. Why wouldn’t it be? Because Bolsonaro’s a fuckstick, that’s why. How dare we respect the people we genocided into oblivion.

Also: quilombolism?


Might be related to that; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilombo

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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:22 pm

Nakena wrote:
Kowani wrote:Of course it’s to isolate the Amerindians. Why wouldn’t it be? Because Bolsonaro’s a fuckstick, that’s why. How dare we respect the people we genocided into oblivion.

Also: quilombolism?


Might be related to that; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilombo

Oh, that makes sense.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:29 pm

Nakena wrote:Leaked documents show Brazil’s Bolsonaro has grave plans for Amazon rainforest


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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:31 pm

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Nakena wrote:Leaked documents show Brazil’s Bolsonaro has grave plans for Amazon rainforest


Not bad.

Have you considered not having terrible opinions?
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:32 pm

Kowani wrote:
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Not bad.

Have you considered not having terrible opinions?


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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:11 pm

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Nakena wrote:Leaked documents show Brazil’s Bolsonaro has grave plans for Amazon rainforest


Not bad.

Not bad? Do you understand science at all or do you know better those who' study it?

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Not bad.

Not bad? Do you understand science at all or do you know better those who' study it?


Given you've suggested invading Brazil, I definitely think I know better than you.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:20 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Not bad? Do you understand science at all or do you know better those who' study it?


Given you've suggested invading Brazil, I definitely think I know better than you.

No I didnt. The destruction of the Amazon would be the end of the world

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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:22 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Given you've suggested invading Brazil, I definitely think I know better than you.

No I didnt. The destruction of the Amazon would be the end of the world


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That’s not going to happen.

It should. The planet matters more. Bolsonaro should be arrested by the international criminal court for crimes against humanity
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:32 pm

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San Lumen wrote:No I didnt. The destruction of the Amazon would be the end of the world


San Lumen wrote:It should. The planet matters more. Bolsonaro should be arrested by the international criminal court for crimes against humanity

People like you who deny science and think you know better are a big part of what is wrong with this world. That is not calling for invasion. If he leave the country he should be arrested.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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People like you who deny science and think you know better are a big part of what is wrong with this world. That is not calling for invasion. If he leave the country he should be arrested.


Actually, as already pointed out now by multiple people, you are indeed calling for just that.

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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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People like you who deny science and think you know better are a big part of what is wrong with this world. That is not calling for invasion. If he leave the country he should be arrested.


that would cause a international incident on a scale not seen since the death of Archduke Ferdinand.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:38 pm

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San Lumen wrote:People like you who deny science and think you know better are a big part of what is wrong with this world. That is not calling for invasion. If he leave the country he should be arrested.


that would cause a international incident on a scale not seen since the death of Archduke Ferdinand.

I dont care. He;'s a danger to the world

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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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People like you who deny science and think you know better are a big part of what is wrong with this world. That is not calling for invasion. If he leave the country he should be arrested.

Let's see that science, then. Link, please. Peer-reviewed, reputable scientific article showing evidence that "[t]he destruction of the Amazon would be the end of the world". I think you'll come up dry, because there's other peer-reviewed, reputable scientific articles, like this one, arguing that the Amazon, or parts of it, were once farmed, though we're still struggling to figure out the extent of that.

I'll start with the obvious objection that the Brazilians aren't planning to pave the whole thing over, but plant crops there. I don't know what effect that makes in carbon budgets and cycling, but it ain't the same as turning it into the world's largest shopping mall.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:45 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:People like you who deny science and think you know better are a big part of what is wrong with this world. That is not calling for invasion. If he leave the country he should be arrested.

Let's see that science, then. Link, please. Peer-reviewed, reputable scientific article showing evidence that "[t]he destruction of the Amazon would be the end of the world". I think you'll come up dry, because there's other peer-reviewed, reputable scientific articles, like this one, arguing that the Amazon, or parts of it, were once farmed, though we're still struggling to figure out the extent of that.

I'll start with the obvious objection that the Brazilians aren't planning to pave the whole thing over, but plant crops there. I don't know what effect that makes in carbon budgets and cycling, but it ain't the same as turning it into the world's largest shopping mall.

They’re cattle farming, so those crops are gonna have a net methane increase.
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Postby Bloodshade » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:50 pm

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Northwest Slobovia wrote:They’re cattle farming, so those crops are gonna have a net methane increase.


What's even worse is they're using slash and burn methods which results in the nutrients from the burned forest being used up in a few years or so. They'll just end up moving to a new patch of forest after the land becomes unsuitable and the cycle repeats itself.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:57 pm

Kowani wrote:
Northwest Slobovia wrote:Let's see that science, then. Link, please. Peer-reviewed, reputable scientific article showing evidence that "[t]he destruction of the Amazon would be the end of the world". I think you'll come up dry, because there's other peer-reviewed, reputable scientific articles, like this one, arguing that the Amazon, or parts of it, were once farmed, though we're still struggling to figure out the extent of that.

I'll start with the obvious objection that the Brazilians aren't planning to pave the whole thing over, but plant crops there. I don't know what effect that makes in carbon budgets and cycling, but it ain't the same as turning it into the world's largest shopping mall.

They’re cattle farming, so those crops are gonna have a net methane increase.

That's a good point, but still not the end of the world™. I'm not even sure what San Lumen means by "the end of the world". Collapse of the biosphere? Human extinction? A new Dark Age? A Super-Grande Vente Latte will cost too much? :P

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It's the end of the world as we know it!
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San Lumen wrote:
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that would cause a international incident on a scale not seen since the death of Archduke Ferdinand.

I dont care. He;'s a danger to the world


you dont care that youre advocating for basically the deaths of thousands, if not MILLIONS of people.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:59 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Kowani wrote:They’re cattle farming, so those crops are gonna have a net methane increase.

That's a good point, but still not the end of the world™. I'm not even sure what San Lumen means by "the end of the world". Collapse of the biosphere? Human extinction? A new Dark Age? A Super-Grande Vente Latte will cost too much? :P

It's the end of the world as we know it!
It's the end of the world as we know it!
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I don’t think it’ll be the literal end of the world, but it will be very bad.

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What's even worse is they're using slash and burn methods which results in the nutrients from the burned forest being used up in a few years or so. They'll just end up moving to a new patch of forest after the land becomes unsuitable and the cycle repeats itself.

How to make things worse...
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