TET: Habemus Papam!

[Auze]

I would like to congratulate the current ADT for being one of the longer lived versions of that thread topic (not pictured: approximately 10,000 other threads discussing how atheism is the future or other nonsense).

[Kowani]

I would like to congratulate the current ADT for being one of the longer lived versions of that thread topic (not pictured: approximately 10,000 other threads discussing how atheism is the future or other nonsense).

Swells with Pride

[Pasong Tirad]

First job interview today (of the 4 companies out of 10 that have responded). Well-wishes and prayers would be appreciated, can't afford to go without a job for too long.

Read up about the company online. Apparently they pay well because the work load is kinda terrible. But I could use the job, and their office is close to home, which is a big plus.

[Ethel mermania]

First job interview today (of the 4 companies out of 10 that have responded). Well-wishes and prayers would be appreciated, can't afford to go without a job for too long.

Read up about the company online. Apparently they pay well because the work load is kinda terrible. But I could use the job, and their office is close to home, which is a big plus.

Break a leg.

[The Free Joy State]

If work give me the ok I'm gonna put myself into a coma after January 1st, only waking up for the Florida Primaries and the Election.

He didnt win last time, but once again I am supporting

Does Giant Meteor have Dual British-American Citizenship, by any chance? We may be heading into a General Election and it might help if we had some sensible candidates lined up.

I have suggested Larry the Cat, but his schedule's pretty full...

First job interview today (of the 4 companies out of 10 that have responded). Well-wishes and prayers would be appreciated, can't afford to go without a job for too long.

Read up about the company online. Apparently they pay well because the work load is kinda terrible. But I could use the job, and their office is close to home, which is a big plus.

You've done well at interview before, and you know you can do it again. We're all cheering you on.

[Jolthig]

Hey guys, here's a follow up to my speech from the other day. Following some pleasant experiences in prayer today of my attempt to completely concentrate on God (yes, some of my atheist friends and other non Muslim friends will not believe, but still, I write this), it reminds me of how useless the ego is, and seeking admiration from other people. Especially in a social media platform. One can strive the think they are correct all the time in their arguments in debates which is a tendency that I notice in NSG, Facebook, and Twitter (which I have promoted myself in several NSG threads in the past), but in truth, seeking admiration in my opinion, is dangerous. Especially given on a public forum like NSG, Facebook, or Twitter.

The reason I say, this is dangerous, is due to the fact that it can be a overly exaggerated sense of oneself. When this exaggeration happens, someone who may disagree with your views, will make one mad, regardless if they are in the right or wrong. This is a tendency I've noticed with myself for a while, and I've seen it in many of my fellow NSGers. This is indeed true, and they have admitted it to me several times, wishing to leave the platform themselves, but are unable to.

This kind of thinking conflates with my faith's concept of annilhation of the ego, which according to my faith, can only be achieved by prayer and converse with God. But religion aside, even psychology warns us of the dangers of overuse of social media especially when arguing or seeking admiration from people which can lead to narcissism. While it may have its benefits, like informing people or showing them other views, it can have many downsides, which I believe outweighs the good.

Of course, I've learned a lot during my experience on NSG, made great friends, and even established a good relationship with moderators such as Farnhamia or Katganistan. They state that NSG will never be the same without me, and that I have a positive influence on NSG. I do take their words to heart, and you guys will always be remembered by me, but I will continue with this new path in faith and for my own well-being.

I've never really fought with anybody recently that is making me distant myself, but rather, these are just deep reflections that I've had over the months on and off, that increased greatly within the past week. Due to these reflections which includes tonight, I will declare to everyone on NSG, that I am retiring from the subforum due to the above mentioned reasons. I do not wish to promote egotism or hating others for hating me or holding strong views.

While NSG may have rules to regulate everybody, and everybody does follow them most of the time, as indicated by the rules themselves, it does not solve the hatred between individuals who have radically different views from each other. If anything, they want to grab each other's throats even if they are following the rules properly. I felt this way when debating some NSGers in heated discussions that I foolishly involved myself in. Admittingly, the rules don't intend to go at personal enmity between people, but rather, how they carry their actions.

However, given that I am a representative of my faith, especially that of the Ahmadiyya branch, it is important that I show a good example including self control, and patience. Muslims and Ahmadis are encouraged to stay away from environments that may tempt them to do things that are against Islam. Especially when preaching. Out of humility, I have not observed the above for quite a while, but now, I will try my best.

I used to be more anti-NSG in the years before 2016-2019, and now I return to that anti-NSG stance, but this time, with better foundation. Because I do not wish to promote something that my faith is against, and that I am personally against as well. Especially lowing myself to an unprofessional level.

Now to be fair, FB and Twitter are far worse, and I will have separate speeches for both. However, I won't leave TET because it is a different thread from the rest of NSG. Even in my previous anti-NSGish days, I came on here several times to have fun chats with people, and I will do that in the future with me occasionally popping in, and out.

Please note, nothing of the above is personal to anybody. I have made many friends on NSG, and I have talked to, and got to know many of you individually to know many of you are good people. This includes several individuals I used to have heated conversations with before getting to know them personally, and looking past their views. Due to this way of approaching people, I have gotten past my own biases that they are not bad people, but good people with good intentions regardless of views even if I disagree with them.

That's the point I'm getting at. I don't want to be in platforms where people hate each other, and are prideful. Rather, we should have dialogue, and reach a common understanding of one another. Even if we disagree. This approach I have taken, and so have other people, is how one makes friends, and they know you're not promoting hate, but peace. My community's motto is after all, Love For All, Hatred For None. After all, I think I should put this more into practice.

Another thing to mention is that debating, especially the arguing kind, is just a waste of time. Nobody is going to change their views, and nobody gets anywhere. What's the point of debating then when it's just a waste of time? With better time on my own hands, I am just using it for prayer, personal development, book reading, and focusing on work.

Consider this a big improvement in my own personal capabilities rather than me just abandoning a forum for no good reason. I intend to be less aggressive, and more gentle in my approaches. I intend to increase my gentleness, and dialogue.

I know many of you will miss me in the debates, but I am leaving those behind, and as I have stated, I hereby retire from NSG, but I will continue to hang in TET here and there, and see how everyone is doing.

Peace and God bless!

*sits back and relaxes*

[Pacomia]

Stupid issues. I selected an option that said to “not be extreme” and keep vital services under government control but allow some form of free enterprise, and it changed my nation’s policy to Capitalism. This is the third time poorly-worded issues have made me screw up my nation’s policies.

Why can’t there be a “Mixed Economics” policy?

[The Free Joy State]

Stupid issues. I selected an option that said to “not be extreme” and keep vital services under government control but allow some form of free enterprise, and it changed my nation’s policy to Capitalism. This is the third time poorly-worded issues have made me screw up my nation’s policies.

A big sunshine Issue Editor's "hello" to you

... Sorry, that button seems to be stuck.

More seriously, if you think you got an unusual stat effect, there's a megathread thread in Got Issues?. If you report it -- with the nation you received the issue on, the name/number of the issue, the option you picked, the date if not today, and the effect -- someone can check it out for you.

EDIT: Please read the OP first. Because it explains a lot.

[Pacomia]

Stupid issues. I selected an option that said to “not be extreme” and keep vital services under government control but allow some form of free enterprise, and it changed my nation’s policy to Capitalism. This is the third time poorly-worded issues have made me screw up my nation’s policies.

A big sunshine Issue Editor's "hello" to you

... Sorry, that button seems to be stuck.

More seriously, if you think you got an unusual stat effect, there's a megathread thread in Got Issues?. If you report it -- with the nation you received the issue on, the name/number of the issue, the option you picked, the date if not today, and the effect -- someone can check it out for you.

EDIT: Please read the OP first. Because it explains a lot.

I mean, it’s not big enough of a problem that I would want to do anything about it, the effects could technically be figured out from the text with some thought, it’s just a mild annoyance. I probably should have figured it out, since I knew there was no policies for a mixed economy. One of the policies regarding No Sex, though, is a bit bigger of a problem. I forget the name.

At least there’s a lot of policies that I can use to convert back to socialism.

[The Free Joy State]

A big sunshine Issue Editor's "hello" to you

... Sorry, that button seems to be stuck.

More seriously, if you think you got an unusual stat effect, there's a megathread thread in Got Issues?. If you report it -- with the nation you received the issue on, the name/number of the issue, the option you picked, the date if not today, and the effect -- someone can check it out for you.

EDIT: Please read the OP first. Because it explains a lot.

I mean, it’s not big enough of a problem that I would want to do anything about it, the effects could technically be figured out from the text with some thought, it’s just a mild annoyance. I probably should have figured it out, since I knew there was no policies for a mixed economy. One of the policies regarding No Sex, though, is a bit bigger of a problem. I forget the name.

At least there’s a lot of policies that I can use to convert back to socialism.

There are three, I think, issues that allow you to cancel your No Sex policy, too (just off the top of my head). One should come around eventually.

EDIT: Do you have "Require Confirmation Before Passing Legislation" turned on in Settings. It can help reduce your number of missteps.

[Kowani]

Snip

Well, the rest of NSG will miss you, mate. But it’s good that you’re sticking around TET.

[Jolthig]

Snip

Well, the rest of NSG will miss you, mate. But it’s good that you’re sticking around TET.

Of course, muate!

[Geneviev]

NSG will lose one of the better people. Just stay in TET, Jolthig.

[Pacomia]

I mean, it’s not big enough of a problem that I would want to do anything about it, the effects could technically be figured out from the text with some thought, it’s just a mild annoyance. I probably should have figured it out, since I knew there was no policies for a mixed economy. One of the policies regarding No Sex, though, is a bit bigger of a problem. I forget the name.

At least there’s a lot of policies that I can use to convert back to socialism.

There are three, I think, issues that allow you to cancel your No Sex policy, too (just off the top of my head). One should come around eventually.

EDIT: Do you have "Require Confirmation Before Passing Legislation" turned on in Settings. It can help reduce your number of missteps.

I thought about using it but that’s not really the kind of problem I often have. I think the issue is a great idea before I see the results and by then it’s already too late.

[Cappuccina]

Hey guys, here's a follow up to my speech from the other day. Following some pleasant experiences in prayer today of my attempt to completely concentrate on God (yes, some of my atheist friends and other non Muslim friends will not believe, but still, I write this), it reminds me of how useless the ego is, and seeking admiration from other people. Especially in a social media platform. One can strive the think they are correct all the time in their arguments in debates which is a tendency that I notice in NSG, Facebook, and Twitter (which I have promoted myself in several NSG threads in the past), but in truth, seeking admiration in my opinion, is dangerous. Especially given on a public forum like NSG, Facebook, or Twitter.

The reason I say, this is dangerous, is due to the fact that it can be a overly exaggerated sense of oneself. When this exaggeration happens, someone who may disagree with your views, will make one mad, regardless if they are in the right or wrong. This is a tendency I've noticed with myself for a while, and I've seen it in many of my fellow NSGers. This is indeed true, and they have admitted it to me several times, wishing to leave the platform themselves, but are unable to.

This kind of thinking conflates with my faith's concept of annilhation of the ego, which according to my faith, can only be achieved by prayer and converse with God. But religion aside, even psychology warns us of the dangers of overuse of social media especially when arguing or seeking admiration from people which can lead to narcissism. While it may have its benefits, like informing people or showing them other views, it can have many downsides, which I believe outweighs the good.

Of course, I've learned a lot during my experience on NSG, made great friends, and even established a good relationship with moderators such as Farnhamia or Katganistan. They state that NSG will never be the same without me, and that I have a positive influence on NSG. I do take their words to heart, and you guys will always be remembered by me, but I will continue with this new path in faith and for my own well-being.

I've never really fought with anybody recently that is making me distant myself, but rather, these are just deep reflections that I've had over the months on and off, that increased greatly within the past week. Due to these reflections which includes tonight, I will declare to everyone on NSG, that I am retiring from the subforum due to the above mentioned reasons. I do not wish to promote egotism or hating others for hating me or holding strong views.

While NSG may have rules to regulate everybody, and everybody does follow them most of the time, as indicated by the rules themselves, it does not solve the hatred between individuals who have radically different views from each other. If anything, they want to grab each other's throats even if they are following the rules properly. I felt this way when debating some NSGers in heated discussions that I foolishly involved myself in. Admittingly, the rules don't intend to go at personal enmity between people, but rather, how they carry their actions.

However, given that I am a representative of my faith, especially that of the Ahmadiyya branch, it is important that I show a good example including self control, and patience. Muslims and Ahmadis are encouraged to stay away from environments that may tempt them to do things that are against Islam. Especially when preaching. Out of humility, I have not observed the above for quite a while, but now, I will try my best.

I used to be more anti-NSG in the years before 2016-2019, and now I return to that anti-NSG stance, but this time, with better foundation. Because I do not wish to promote something that my faith is against, and that I am personally against as well. Especially lowing myself to an unprofessional level.

Now to be fair, FB and Twitter are far worse, and I will have separate speeches for both. However, I won't leave TET because it is a different thread from the rest of NSG. Even in my previous anti-NSGish days, I came on here several times to have fun chats with people, and I will do that in the future with me occasionally popping in, and out.

Please note, nothing of the above is personal to anybody. I have made many friends on NSG, and I have talked to, and got to know many of you individually to know many of you are good people. This includes several individuals I used to have heated conversations with before getting to know them personally, and looking past their views. Due to this way of approaching people, I have gotten past my own biases that they are not bad people, but good people with good intentions regardless of views even if I disagree with them.

That's the point I'm getting at. I don't want to be in platforms where people hate each other, and are prideful. Rather, we should have dialogue, and reach a common understanding of one another. Even if we disagree. This approach I have taken, and so have other people, is how one makes friends, and they know you're not promoting hate, but peace. My community's motto is after all, Love For All, Hatred For None. After all, I think I should put this more into practice.

Another thing to mention is that debating, especially the arguing kind, is just a waste of time. Nobody is going to change their views, and nobody gets anywhere. What's the point of debating then when it's just a waste of time? With better time on my own hands, I am just using it for prayer, personal development, book reading, and focusing on work.

Consider this a big improvement in my own personal capabilities rather than me just abandoning a forum for no good reason. I intend to be less aggressive, and more gentle in my approaches. I intend to increase my gentleness, and dialogue.

I know many of you will miss me in the debates, but I am leaving those behind, and as I have stated, I hereby retire from NSG, but I will continue to hang in TET here and there, and see how everyone is doing.

Peace and God bless!

*sits back and relaxes*

Though I for one will definitely miss your presence here on NSG, your reasons for departing NSG are undoubtedly sound, and you have put much thought into that decision.

It does remind me of similar steps I've taken IRL is regards to removing myself from the narcissistic practices in modern society, one of those being a drastic decrease in my presence on FB, and tbh, here on NSG as well. Of course, my main goal in my personal life is to control my violent temper (which has brought me nothing but trouble) and to improve my admittedly pessimistic and perhaps misanthopic outlook on people in general. I do find you post very relevant to my struggles with those, as I believe it is a overblown sense of self and pride.

[Pacomia]

i want to make a thread but i can’t think of an op and i’m worried it’ll just be locked in the first page anyway

[Geneviev]

i want to make a thread but i can’t think of an op and i’m worried it’ll just be locked in the first page anyway

I already took hell. You can't have that one.

More seriously, I want to see your thread.

[Esternial]

Stuff I can only see in the US. Stereotypical American stuff.

Beaches are nice, but I don't need to go the US for those. A place like NYC doesn't appeal to me that much...especially all by myself. I'd rather rent a car, go on a drive and see as much as possible.

Was thinking about Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania. Stuff I wouldn't ordinarily do with other people.

How do you feel about lobster? And what season?. Summer in maine is gorgeous. We have been pillgraming to acadia national park the past few years.

Mass has legal weed and the berkshires are quite nice and they do have some sometime culture there.

I've had it twice and it's ok. Usually don't consider it worth the price tag. If I decide to follow through, it's going to be somewhere in Spring, or whenever I can get a good deal on plane tickets.

I know I said no nature, but Acadia national park sounds lovely, and I doubt it would be an option if I went with other people.

He'll, it's only 400km/270mi from Boston. Totally feasible.

[Kowani]

i want to make a thread but i can’t think of an op and i’m worried it’ll just be locked in the first page anyway

Don’t do one complaining about modernity. Those are always tedious.

[Jolthig]

NSG will lose one of the better people. Just stay in TET, Jolthig.

Of course.

[Jolthig]

Hey guys, here's a follow up to my speech from the other day. Following some pleasant experiences in prayer today of my attempt to completely concentrate on God (yes, some of my atheist friends and other non Muslim friends will not believe, but still, I write this), it reminds me of how useless the ego is, and seeking admiration from other people. Especially in a social media platform. One can strive the think they are correct all the time in their arguments in debates which is a tendency that I notice in NSG, Facebook, and Twitter (which I have promoted myself in several NSG threads in the past), but in truth, seeking admiration in my opinion, is dangerous. Especially given on a public forum like NSG, Facebook, or Twitter.

The reason I say, this is dangerous, is due to the fact that it can be a overly exaggerated sense of oneself. When this exaggeration happens, someone who may disagree with your views, will make one mad, regardless if they are in the right or wrong. This is a tendency I've noticed with myself for a while, and I've seen it in many of my fellow NSGers. This is indeed true, and they have admitted it to me several times, wishing to leave the platform themselves, but are unable to.

This kind of thinking conflates with my faith's concept of annilhation of the ego, which according to my faith, can only be achieved by prayer and converse with God. But religion aside, even psychology warns us of the dangers of overuse of social media especially when arguing or seeking admiration from people which can lead to narcissism. While it may have its benefits, like informing people or showing them other views, it can have many downsides, which I believe outweighs the good.

Of course, I've learned a lot during my experience on NSG, made great friends, and even established a good relationship with moderators such as Farnhamia or Katganistan. They state that NSG will never be the same without me, and that I have a positive influence on NSG. I do take their words to heart, and you guys will always be remembered by me, but I will continue with this new path in faith and for my own well-being.

I've never really fought with anybody recently that is making me distant myself, but rather, these are just deep reflections that I've had over the months on and off, that increased greatly within the past week. Due to these reflections which includes tonight, I will declare to everyone on NSG, that I am retiring from the subforum due to the above mentioned reasons. I do not wish to promote egotism or hating others for hating me or holding strong views.

While NSG may have rules to regulate everybody, and everybody does follow them most of the time, as indicated by the rules themselves, it does not solve the hatred between individuals who have radically different views from each other. If anything, they want to grab each other's throats even if they are following the rules properly. I felt this way when debating some NSGers in heated discussions that I foolishly involved myself in. Admittingly, the rules don't intend to go at personal enmity between people, but rather, how they carry their actions.

However, given that I am a representative of my faith, especially that of the Ahmadiyya branch, it is important that I show a good example including self control, and patience. Muslims and Ahmadis are encouraged to stay away from environments that may tempt them to do things that are against Islam. Especially when preaching. Out of humility, I have not observed the above for quite a while, but now, I will try my best.

I used to be more anti-NSG in the years before 2016-2019, and now I return to that anti-NSG stance, but this time, with better foundation. Because I do not wish to promote something that my faith is against, and that I am personally against as well. Especially lowing myself to an unprofessional level.

Now to be fair, FB and Twitter are far worse, and I will have separate speeches for both. However, I won't leave TET because it is a different thread from the rest of NSG. Even in my previous anti-NSGish days, I came on here several times to have fun chats with people, and I will do that in the future with me occasionally popping in, and out.

Please note, nothing of the above is personal to anybody. I have made many friends on NSG, and I have talked to, and got to know many of you individually to know many of you are good people. This includes several individuals I used to have heated conversations with before getting to know them personally, and looking past their views. Due to this way of approaching people, I have gotten past my own biases that they are not bad people, but good people with good intentions regardless of views even if I disagree with them.

That's the point I'm getting at. I don't want to be in platforms where people hate each other, and are prideful. Rather, we should have dialogue, and reach a common understanding of one another. Even if we disagree. This approach I have taken, and so have other people, is how one makes friends, and they know you're not promoting hate, but peace. My community's motto is after all, Love For All, Hatred For None. After all, I think I should put this more into practice.

Another thing to mention is that debating, especially the arguing kind, is just a waste of time. Nobody is going to change their views, and nobody gets anywhere. What's the point of debating then when it's just a waste of time? With better time on my own hands, I am just using it for prayer, personal development, book reading, and focusing on work.

Consider this a big improvement in my own personal capabilities rather than me just abandoning a forum for no good reason. I intend to be less aggressive, and more gentle in my approaches. I intend to increase my gentleness, and dialogue.

I know many of you will miss me in the debates, but I am leaving those behind, and as I have stated, I hereby retire from NSG, but I will continue to hang in TET here and there, and see how everyone is doing.

Peace and God bless!

*sits back and relaxes*

Though I for one will definitely miss your presence here on NSG, your reasons for departing NSG are undoubtedly sound, and you have put much thought into that decision.

It does remind me of similar steps I've taken IRL is regards to removing myself from the narcissistic practices in modern society, one of those being a drastic decrease in my presence on FB, and tbh, here on NSG as well. Of course, my main goal in my personal life is to control my violent temper (which has brought me nothing but trouble) and to improve my admittedly pessimistic and perhaps misanthopic outlook on people in general. I do find you post very relevant to my struggles with those, as I believe it is a overblown sense of self and pride.

Indeed. I'm glad you have recognized the problem within yourself as well! Hope all goes well for you!

[Infected Mushroom]

my Australian overlord sat me down and said...

"We are giving you these 4 classes back to back on Monday and Friday at this center; it will be a fixed permanent arrangement. You'll work with this other instructor who's not in the greatest shape. These kids are a bit... err... ENERGETIC."

Hmmmm... ENERGETIC.... I wonder what that means (cough cough)

Me: "Is the classroom big? (hint hint: PLEASE NO, big classrooms are a disaster)

Him: "Yes. It's MASSIVE. In fact, its 5 times bigger than the ones at this center."

"I should let you know in advance that kid X and Y don't want to stay in their seats. Also, most of them don't know enough English to even respond to their names so the stars on the board thing won't work so well..."

Me: "And you know this... HOW????"

Him: "I covered for this Monday. It was the first lesson." (from the tone, secret translation: "it's a disaster, I experienced it, now its all yours")

...

"Try not to be too harsh on them" (translation: "You can't control them even if you tried.")

[Pasong Tirad]

First job interview today (of the 4 companies out of 10 that have responded). Well-wishes and prayers would be appreciated, can't afford to go without a job for too long.

Read up about the company online. Apparently they pay well because the work load is kinda terrible. But I could use the job, and their office is close to home, which is a big plus.

I think I did good. I had to do an English aptitude exam because the company's clients are based in the UK, the US, and Australia, and that went pretty well. And then I had to write a short article on some stuff, and then the interview with HR. Highballed myself on my asking, so I expect a counter-offer which will also be within my expected range. An editor I never saw asked me to work on some stuff in the article I sent in, and expects a reply tonight, so I think that's a good sign. If they didn't think I had what it takes they wouldn't be asking me for some edits on the article (which I'm not realizing I think they actually will publish on the client's website somewhere).

[Gallade]

First job interview today (of the 4 companies out of 10 that have responded). Well-wishes and prayers would be appreciated, can't afford to go without a job for too long.

Read up about the company online. Apparently they pay well because the work load is kinda terrible. But I could use the job, and their office is close to home, which is a big plus.

I think I did good. I had to do an English aptitude exam because the company's clients are based in the UK, the US, and Australia, and that went pretty well. And then I had to write a short article on some stuff, and then the interview with HR. Highballed myself on my asking, so I expect a counter-offer which will also be within my expected range. An editor I never saw asked me to work on some stuff in the article I sent in, and expects a reply tonight, so I think that's a good sign. If they didn't think I had what it takes they wouldn't be asking me for some edits on the article (which I'm not realizing I think they actually will publish on the client's website somewhere).

That all sounds rather intriguing and lucrative, good luck to you.

One whole prayer and not a penny more, however.

[The Blaatschapen]

First job interview today (of the 4 companies out of 10 that have responded). Well-wishes and prayers would be appreciated, can't afford to go without a job for too long.

Read up about the company online. Apparently they pay well because the work load is kinda terrible. But I could use the job, and their office is close to home, which is a big plus.

I think I did good. I had to do an English aptitude exam because the company's clients are based in the UK, the US, and Australia, and that went pretty well. And then I had to write a short article on some stuff, and then the interview with HR. Highballed myself on my asking, so I expect a counter-offer which will also be within my expected range. An editor I never saw asked me to work on some stuff in the article I sent in, and expects a reply tonight, so I think that's a good sign. If they didn't think I had what it takes they wouldn't be asking me for some edits on the article (which I'm not realizing I think they actually will publish on the client's website somewhere).

I can do well wishes. Prayers are impossible for me.

And the asking for edits is to see how you respond to feedback, incorporate suggestions, etc. Chances are slim they'd publish on the client's website, heh, can they even since you are not working for them (yet) so it still contains your copyright?