Is familism the worst delusion in the world?

[Takso]

What you are describing is an abusive relationship and generalizing all committed relationships as such. That is false. Let me tell you that my partner and I are very much in our relationship together... We don't play mind games with each other... And we aren't taking advantage of each other. It is very much a matter of wanting to share a life with someone that you can trust. There's enough pain and suffering in this world already, all we want to do is make each other happy. How does that suck?

I have no idea how this could work. Usually if you treat someone well they abuse you.

You sound like you've had a lot of unfortunate experiences. If that is so, I am really sorry you had to experience that. There are people out there with certain kinds of personalities that will exploit your kindness and use you to their maximum gain at your maximum loss... But there are also people out there that wish no harm upon others... And love their spouses, children, and others like you wouldn't believe. You know, I used to share a lot of your pessimism, so I can understand where that might come from.

[Neko-koku]

Time to inject my opinion here.
Firstly, bringing up kids, while a burden to the individual, helps the species along. You and I don't matter, but the human race kinda sorta does. Each one of us has a biological wiring to reproduce - women have a uterus for this reason. If reproducing were a burden to the species, it would not exist now. Us individuals are not the ones driving reproduction, the biology of the species itself is driving reproduction. Collectivism isn't just a philosophy. Humans evolved, in a twisted way, as collectivists, sacrificing themselves for the good of the species as a whole. That's how we've survived long enough to be talking like this now.

Wut? Are you going to commit mass murder because individual humans don't fucking matter? Either human lives do matter or they don't.....And please tell me why the fucking hell does "da human species" matter moar than all individual humans combined?

Fuck collectivism.

Secondly, selflessness does not imply communism. Humans have another biological trigger commonly called the "motherly instinct" that makes them fell like they need to put some of their energy and resources aside to allow another member of the species to grow. Again, we are not important as individuals, it's the species as a whole that has a biology designed to ensure its continued existence. Communism, however, does imply selflessness in my opinion, as people need to be doing what the state needs them to be doing with a vision of the final goal. If a single person fails to do that and begins to work with only ensuring their continued existence in mind, then the system fails.

[Neko-koku]

I have no idea how this could work. Usually if you treat someone well they abuse you.

You sound like you've had a lot of unfortunate experiences. If that is so, I am really sorry you had to experience that. There are people out there with certain kinds of personalities that will exploit your kindness and use you to their maximum gain at your maximum loss... But there are also people out there that wish no harm upon others... And love their spouses, children, and others like you wouldn't believe. You know, I used to share a lot of your pessimism, so I can understand where that might come from.

The problem is that I tend to ATTRACT malicious women for whatever reason, hence not dating is the safest choice for me.

[Socialist Heronia]

I have no idea how this could work. Usually if you treat someone well they abuse you.

You sound like you've had a lot of unfortunate experiences. If that is so, I am really sorry you had to experience that. There are people out there with certain kinds of personalities that will exploit your kindness and use you to their maximum gain at your maximum loss... But there are also people out there that wish no harm upon others... And love their spouses, children, and others like you wouldn't believe. You know, I used to share a lot of your pessimism, so I can understand where that might come from.

I've never had the good fortune of ever meeting a kind and caring person like you've described, and that has driven me to try to become one myself. Strange way the mind works.

[Ding Ling]

You sound like you've had a lot of unfortunate experiences. If that is so, I am really sorry you had to experience that. There are people out there with certain kinds of personalities that will exploit your kindness and use you to their maximum gain at your maximum loss... But there are also people out there that wish no harm upon others... And love their spouses, children, and others like you wouldn't believe. You know, I used to share a lot of your pessimism, so I can understand where that might come from.

The problem is that I tend to ATTRACT malicious women for whatever reason, hence not dating is the safest choice for me.

Like James Bond ah?

[Socialist Heronia]

Time to inject my opinion here.
Firstly, bringing up kids, while a burden to the individual, helps the species along. You and I don't matter, but the human race kinda sorta does. Each one of us has a biological wiring to reproduce - women have a uterus for this reason. If reproducing were a burden to the species, it would not exist now. Us individuals are not the ones driving reproduction, the biology of the species itself is driving reproduction. Collectivism isn't just a philosophy. Humans evolved, in a twisted way, as collectivists, sacrificing themselves for the good of the species as a whole. That's how we've survived long enough to be talking like this now.

Wut? Are you going to commit mass murder because individual humans don't fucking matter?

Fuck collectivism.

okay where did that come from...
Mass murder would also work against the good of the species as a whole (fewer people that can make more people and therefore make it slightly less likely that the species is wiped out entirely by some random event) and therefore mass murderers are people that have malfunctioning biological triggers that make them think it's okay to hurt the species by hurting its members. (These triggers are the objective part of morality.) I suppose in that sense each human matters.

[Neko-koku]

Wut? Are you going to commit mass murder because individual humans don't fucking matter?

Fuck collectivism.

okay where did that come from...
Mass murder would also work against the good of the species as a whole (fewer people that can make more people and therefore make it slightly less likely that the species is wiped out entirely by some random event) and therefore mass murderers are people that have malfunctioning biological triggers that make them think it's okay to hurt the species by hurting its members. (These triggers are the objective part of morality.) I suppose in that sense each human matters.

I just exposed the completely hilarious idea of collectivism.

I mean...if someone believes that they can live through kids..maybe we indeed need to ask whether they are willing to get lots of clones and die lol. Most aren't lol so they acknowledge that they aren't the same as their genes. What about decriminalizing murder of parents cuz parents never die as long as they still have kids? That's evil, right? So parents do die and can not live through their children. If that's the case then they have demonstrated that even they themselves don't believe in this hilarious ideology which should be summarized as "people are immortal as long as at least one of their offsprings remain alive".

The funny thing here is that these beliefs about infinite bloodlines, collectivism and other nonsense are selected for by evolution..and that humans are predominantly fairly irrational..so hilarity ensued.

[Italios]

it baffles me how anyone would ever think that it's a "delusion" to listen to the primal animal desire to spread your genes as much as possible. it doesn't require an "ism" or a psychoanalytic breakdown. is it freedom to refuse to eat because living is arguably harder than the death resulting from starvation?

personally, i would like to know what you're smoking so i may distribute it to my family in a defiant act of microcommunism.

[Socialist Heronia]

okay where did that come from...
Mass murder would also work against the good of the species as a whole (fewer people that can make more people and therefore make it slightly less likely that the species is wiped out entirely by some random event) and therefore mass murderers are people that have malfunctioning biological triggers that make them think it's okay to hurt the species by hurting its members. (These triggers are the objective part of morality.) I suppose in that sense each human matters.

I just exposed the completely hilarious idea of collectivism.

I mean...if someone believes that they can live through kids..maybe we indeed need to ask whether they are willing to get lots of clones and die lol. Most aren't lol.

The funny thing here is that these beliefs about infinite bloodlines, collectivism and other nonsense are selected for by evolution..and that humans are predominantly fairly irrational..so hilarity ensued.

I agree. It's ridiculous and dumb, but I'm curious. What makes your own philosophy less laughable than mine?

[Neko-koku]

I just exposed the completely hilarious idea of collectivism.

I mean...if someone believes that they can live through kids..maybe we indeed need to ask whether they are willing to get lots of clones and die lol. Most aren't lol.

The funny thing here is that these beliefs about infinite bloodlines, collectivism and other nonsense are selected for by evolution..and that humans are predominantly fairly irrational..so hilarity ensued.

I agree. It's ridiculous and dumb, but I'm curious. What makes your own philosophy less laughable than mine?

I don't in fact have a philosophy. All I do is exposing others' common nonsense.

[Socialist Heronia]

I just exposed the completely hilarious idea of collectivism.

I mean...if someone believes that they can live through kids..maybe we indeed need to ask whether they are willing to get lots of clones and die lol. Most aren't lol.

The funny thing here is that these beliefs about infinite bloodlines, collectivism and other nonsense are selected for by evolution..and that humans are predominantly fairly irrational..so hilarity ensued.

I agree. It's ridiculous and dumb, but I'm curious. What makes your own philosophy less laughable than mine?

it baffles me how anyone would ever think that it's a "delusion" to listen to the primal animal desire to spread your genes as much as possible. it doesn't require an "ism" or a psychoanalytic breakdown. is it freedom to refuse to eat because living is arguably harder than the death resulting from starvation?

personally, i would like to know what you're smoking so i may distribute it to my family in a defiant act of microcommunism.

I love this. Somebody send this man a medal.

[Gagium]

it baffles me how anyone would ever think that it's a "delusion" to listen to the primal animal desire to spread your genes as much as possible. it doesn't require an "ism" or a psychoanalytic breakdown. is it freedom to refuse to eat because living is arguably harder than the death resulting from starvation?

personally, i would like to know what you're smoking so i may distribute it to my family in a defiant act of microcommunism.

Oh dear, we have a microcommunist in here guys. How delusional.

I agree though. How are basic evolutionary functions and needs delusional?

[Socialist Heronia]

I agree. It's ridiculous and dumb, but I'm curious. What makes your own philosophy less laughable than mine?

I don't in fact have a philosophy. All I do is exposing others' common nonsense.

Well then, what's your definition of sense?

[Neko-koku]

it baffles me how anyone would ever think that it's a "delusion" to listen to the primal animal desire to spread your genes as much as possible. it doesn't require an "ism" or a psychoanalytic breakdown. is it freedom to refuse to eat because living is arguably harder than the death resulting from starvation?

personally, i would like to know what you're smoking so i may distribute it to my family in a defiant act of microcommunism.

Because it is harmful.

Evolution indeed does wonders. To most people not breeding is comparable to suicide. Lmao. I guess most Catholic and Buddhist monks have never lived.

[Neko-koku]

it baffles me how anyone would ever think that it's a "delusion" to listen to the primal animal desire to spread your genes as much as possible. it doesn't require an "ism" or a psychoanalytic breakdown. is it freedom to refuse to eat because living is arguably harder than the death resulting from starvation?

personally, i would like to know what you're smoking so i may distribute it to my family in a defiant act of microcommunism.

Oh dear, we have a microcommunist in here guys. How delusional.

I agree though. How are basic evolutionary functions and needs delusional?

How is male praying mantises voluntarily agreeing to be cannibalized NOT delusional? It's a basic evolutionary function, right? Human sexuality is similar, just less harsh.

[Neko-koku]

I don't in fact have a philosophy. All I do is exposing others' common nonsense.

Well then, what's your definition of sense?

Factual accuracy.

For example "people live through their children" is factually inaccurate.

[Saiwania]

Yeah, I hope more and more women are getting outside what you would consider "wifely quality." That category sounds like somewhere I wouldn't want to be.

My distant cousin on one side of my family tree, is an Accountant that earns $70,000+ a year generally speaking. He apparently chose his wife wrongly.

As of late, he's getting divorced and because he's married to her- he will be losing half his stuff to her in alimony and etc. He's losing that job he had and will need to start over again. He's saddled with two children whom his wife never looked after. He did the lion's share of all the household work as well as bringing in all the money, whilst she brought less and less to the table proverbially speaking as the few years went by. She's bragging about the divorce on Facebook and thinks that she's going to get rich off of leeching off of him or whatever. Basically a trashy woman who's no good for him.

The number one take away I get from this, is that men nowadays shouldn't get married. It is only a losing move unless you can genuinely trust that the woman in question is a keeper and takes care of themself and still brings benefits objectively speaking. She became toxic for him. You need to live with someone for anywhere from 5 to 10+ years before you can reasonably be sure that they're marriage worthy.

There is no point getting in any rush to marry if they'll want to divorce anyways or will become too lazy to keep up their effort or maintain their worth. You have to know you'll keep liking what you're going to get before commiting to that extent.

[Italios]

it baffles me how anyone would ever think that it's a "delusion" to listen to the primal animal desire to spread your genes as much as possible. it doesn't require an "ism" or a psychoanalytic breakdown. is it freedom to refuse to eat because living is arguably harder than the death resulting from starvation?

personally, i would like to know what you're smoking so i may distribute it to my family in a defiant act of microcommunism.

Because it is harmful.

Evolution indeed does wonders. To most people not breeding is comparable to suicide. Lmao. I guess most Catholic and Buddhist monks have never lived.

notice how i said PRIMAL. it's in our DNA to have the sentience to understand what a family is and want one for oneself, and it's also in our DNA to want to have ~have coitus~, clown around, whatever word you guys use to depersonalise the completely normal act of having sex. those two things combined have created every generation of humanity. you know what the definition of a delusion is? anything that goes beyond what is generally accepted or normalized. so this intense hatred of wanting a future generation sound pretty delusional to me.

[Gagium]

Oh dear, we have a microcommunist in here guys. How delusional.

I agree though. How are basic evolutionary functions and needs delusional?

How is male praying mantises voluntarily agreeing to be cannibalized NOT delusional? It's a basic evolutionary function, right? Human sexuality is similar, just less harsh.

I don’t think praying mantises can experience delusion.

[Farnhamia]

Admins and mods can still check that. I didn't abuse the poll.

Moderators cannot view poll voters. I recall one saying that.

This is true. We can see a lot of things, but not that. As for "other things," some of you need to pull your curtains closed when you go nighty-nighty.

[Italios]

Oh dear, we have a microcommunist in here guys. How delusional.

I agree though. How are basic evolutionary functions and needs delusional?

How is male praying mantises voluntarily agreeing to be cannibalized NOT delusional? It's a basic evolutionary function, right? Human sexuality is similar, just less harsh.

you really need to learn the definition of delusional lol just stop

[Neko-koku]

Because it is harmful.

Evolution indeed does wonders. To most people not breeding is comparable to suicide. Lmao. I guess most Catholic and Buddhist monks have never lived.

notice how i said PRIMAL. it's in our DNA to have the sentience to understand what a family is and want one for oneself, and it's also in our DNA to want to have ~have coitus~, clown around, whatever word you guys use to depersonalise the completely normal act of having sex. those two things combined have created every generation of humanity. you know what the definition of a delusion is? anything that goes beyond what is generally accepted or normalized. so this intense hatred of wanting a future generation sound pretty delusional to me.

Lol. So I guess Copernicus and Einstein were also delusional.

[Neko-koku]

How is male praying mantises voluntarily agreeing to be cannibalized NOT delusional? It's a basic evolutionary function, right? Human sexuality is similar, just less harsh.

you really need to learn the definition of delusional lol just stop

Yeah, Copernicus and Einstein were delusional for disagreeing with the fucking crowd..and in a hypothetical mantis world any male mantis who doesn't want to be eaten would be fucking delusional again for mere nonconformism.

FUCK THIS DEFINITION.

[Italios]

notice how i said PRIMAL. it's in our DNA to have the sentience to understand what a family is and want one for oneself, and it's also in our DNA to want to have ~have coitus~, clown around, whatever word you guys use to depersonalise the completely normal act of having sex. those two things combined have created every generation of humanity. you know what the definition of a delusion is? anything that goes beyond what is generally accepted or normalized. so this intense hatred of wanting a future generation sound pretty delusional to me.

Lol. So I guess Copernicus and Einstein were also delusional.

i mean, i never did see them try to deny the notion that genetic evolution is the biological meaning of life, which requires offspring from a majority in a species.

[New haven america]

Oh dear, we have a microcommunist in here guys. How delusional.

I agree though. How are basic evolutionary functions and needs delusional?

How is male praying mantises voluntarily agreeing to be cannibalized NOT delusional? It's a basic evolutionary function, right? Human sexuality is similar, just less harsh.

Actually, they only do that when they're under a large amount of stress.

Like, you know, when other really large animals are watching them fuck.