Is familism the worst delusion in the world?

[Chessmistress]

I never had been anti-family, nor I'm a great supporter of the institution.
It depends, on a case-by-case basis.

I thought a good lot of radial feminists believe that the nuclear family is a tool of the patriarchy used to oppress women by keeping them in the role of the caretaker so that they can never gain ground in business and employment?

Yes.
But personally I don't think it's a black-and-white issue, while it's true that the nuclear family (notice that I used "family" not "nuclear family" in my previous posts) is on average and on the whole worse than other kinds of family, even the nuclear family is not always bad.

A lot of radical feminists even believe that transpeople cannot change their sex, nor even after a full transition: I don't, I recognize a full transition as being an actual sex change, I've just problems with PARTIAL sex changes.

[Saiwania]

The worst delusion in the world is actually Feminism. To clarify, not all forms of feminism are equally bad- but the most common form of it, as its put into practice anyways, it just turns off men. Too many women out there, just aren't of wifely quality anymore. Most of the time, this is because Feminist nonsense has given them unrealistic expectations and outlooks. If they're more like a traditional woman, chances are they'll have fewer problems with men.

[Takso]

Whataboutism. All those mass extinctions were caused by natural events. The environmental destruction you see in recent history is the result of human activity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction

No, you're throwing a moral judgement, while I'm being FACTUAL: extinctions are extinctions, their causes are less important.



I still don't see humans as a relevant factor, do you?

However, since you're talking about morality, I'll throw in morality, too: I contend that actually extinctions for the good of someone (in example: humans) MAKES MORE SENSE and therefore is MORALLY BETTER than extinctions due a random comet impact.
Not mentioning that if in the future another comet will appoach the Earth, and humans will destroy it, we'll have saved countless species from extinction...becoming an anti-extinction factor, and at such point a morality like your will tell that that's wrong. Because according your morality mass extinction is good as long as is just a "natural" comet, right?

Nice straw man there. I never said mass extinctions are good. I only made the point that the fact that previous mass extinction events occurred and were overall more destructive in the end does not mean the present one doesn't matter. The current mass extinction event (which is ongoing) is not beneficial to humans. And yes, since humans are the cause of the current ongoing extinction event, they are a relevant factor. Humans thriving and living in harmony with nature is not mutually exclusive. Yes, we have experienced rapid growth since industrialization, but in a manner that is unsustainable. I was saying that I hope in the future we learn to thrive in a way that protects the environment because we rely on that very biosphere for our survival.

[Praying Mantistan]

The worst delusion in the world is actually Feminism. To clarify, not all forms of feminism are equally bad- but the most common form of it, as its put into practice anyways, it just turns off men. Too many women out there, just aren't of wifely quality anymore. Most of the time, this is because Feminist nonsense has given them unrealistic expectations and outlooks. If they're more like a traditional woman, chances are they'll have fewer problems with men.

How is feminism a delusion? It has no factual claims.

>Implying that traditional societies AREN'T anti-male and that ONLY soc liberal ones do.

What's the gender ratio of people executed by ISIS for example?

[Praying Mantistan]

I never had been anti-family, nor I'm a great supporter of the institution.
It depends, on a case-by-case basis.

I thought a good lot of radial feminists believe that the nuclear family is a tool of the patriarchy used to oppress women by keeping them in the role of the caretaker so that they can never gain ground in business and employment?

Both radfems and MGTOWs have uncovered pieces of usually denied nastiness among humans. Their key issues are of course denying the existence of other kinds of hidden human nastiness. However that problem can easily be rectified.

Since men are nastier than women on average radfems actually have a fairly good grasp of reality. Separatist feminism is of course even better than regular radfem.

[Takso]

The worst delusion in the world is actually Feminism. To clarify, not all forms of feminism are equally bad- but the most common form of it, as its put into practice anyways, it just turns off men. Too many women out there, just aren't of wifely quality anymore. Most of the time, this is because Feminist nonsense has given them unrealistic expectations and outlooks. If they're more like a traditional woman, chances are they'll have fewer problems with men.

That's your view. Plenty of men are married happily to feminist women. Whether or not you consider a feminist "wifely quality" is your subjective opinion.

[Praying Mantistan]

The worst delusion in the world is actually Feminism. To clarify, not all forms of feminism are equally bad- but the most common form of it, as its put into practice anyways, it just turns off men. Too many women out there, just aren't of wifely quality anymore. Most of the time, this is because Feminist nonsense has given them unrealistic expectations and outlooks. If they're more like a traditional woman, chances are they'll have fewer problems with men.

That's your view. Plenty of men are married happily to feminist women. Whether or not you consider a feminist "wifely quality" is your subjective opinion.

Haha. That inherently can not happen regardless of whether the women are feminist lol. Paul Erdos was right.

[Takso]

That's your view. Plenty of men are married happily to feminist women. Whether or not you consider a feminist "wifely quality" is your subjective opinion.

Haha. That inherently can not happen regardless of whether the women are feminist lol. Paul Erdos was right.

Sorry you feel that way. I suppose marriage isn't for everyone, but you're wrong that a happy one isn't possible. There are many, many happily married people. Yes, there are also very unhappily married people, it varies you know.

[Valentine Z]

I don't want kids but that's my personal preference. But I am sure as hell am not stopping anyone from having kids.

What you're trying to say or want is basically for the whole of humanity to end through stopping creation of babies and families.

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It's not my business on whether two people are fucking each other to produce their own offsprings.

[New haven america]

I know we're all busy arguing, but I'd just like for everyone to take a second and redirect your attention to the current shape of the poll.

That is all.

[Praying Mantistan]

Haha. That inherently can not happen regardless of whether the women are feminist lol. Paul Erdos was right.

Sorry you feel that way. I suppose marriage isn't for everyone, but you're wrong that a happy one isn't possible. There are many, many happily married people. Yes, there are also very unhappily married people, it varies you know.

My reasoning is that marriages inherently suck because humans tend to harm each other and oppress each other. They may claim to love each other but all they do is maximizing self-interest at each other's expense and playing the dominance game.

[Cekoviu]

The worst delusion in the world is actually Feminism. To clarify, not all forms of feminism are equally bad- but the most common form of it, as its put into practice anyways, it just turns off men. Too many women out there, just aren't of wifely quality anymore. Most of the time, this is because Feminist nonsense has given them unrealistic expectations and outlooks. If they're more like a traditional woman, chances are they'll have fewer problems with men.

Yeah, I hope more and more women are getting outside what you would consider "wifely quality." That category sounds like somewhere I wouldn't want to be.

[Cekoviu]

I know we're all busy arguing, but I'd just like for everyone to take a second and redirect your attention to the current shape of the poll.

That is all.

I don't see anything out of the ordinary, looks like a normal bell curve to me.

[Praying Mantistan]

I know we're all busy arguing, but I'd just like for everyone to take a second and redirect your attention to the current shape of the poll.

That is all.

Because it is a very deep delusion shared by essentially all organisms. This ratio is expected. For most humans rationality or even self-interest can not override evolutionary instincts.

[New haven america]

I know we're all busy arguing, but I'd just like for everyone to take a second and redirect your attention to the current shape of the poll.

That is all.

I don't see anything out of the ordinary, looks like a normal bell curve to me.

Eh, I think it looks more like a mallet.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

I know we're all busy arguing, but I'd just like for everyone to take a second and redirect your attention to the current shape of the poll.

That is all.

Not sure if dick joke or middle finger joke...

[Takso]

Sorry you feel that way. I suppose marriage isn't for everyone, but you're wrong that a happy one isn't possible. There are many, many happily married people. Yes, there are also very unhappily married people, it varies you know.

My reasoning is that marriages inherently suck because humans tend to harm each other and oppress each other. They may claim to love each other but all they do is maximizing self-interest at each other's expense and play the dominance game.

What you are describing is an abusive relationship and generalizing all committed relationships as such. That is false. Let me tell you that my partner and I are very much in our relationship together... We don't play mind games with each other... And we aren't taking advantage of each other. It is very much a matter of wanting to share a life with someone that you can trust. There's enough pain and suffering in this world already, all we want to do is make each other happy. How does that suck?

[Praying Mantistan]

My reasoning is that marriages inherently suck because humans tend to harm each other and oppress each other. They may claim to love each other but all they do is maximizing self-interest at each other's expense and play the dominance game.

What you are describing is an abusive relationship and generalizing all committed relationships as such. That is false. Let me tell you that my partner and I are very much in our relationship together... We don't play mind games with each other... And we aren't taking advantage of each other. It is very much a matter of wanting to share a life with someone that you can trust. There's enough pain and suffering in this world already, all we want to do is make each other happy. How does that suck?

I have no idea how this could work. Usually if you treat someone well they abuse you.

[Kowani]

I know we're all busy arguing, but I'd just like for everyone to take a second and redirect your attention to the current shape of the poll.

That is all.

I don't see anything out of the ordinary, looks like a normal bell curve to me.

Neko-Koku is well known for his puppets. Heck, we was warned in this very thread for using them.

[Neko-koku]

I don't see anything out of the ordinary, looks like a normal bell curve to me.

Neko-Koku is well known for his puppets. Heck, we was warned in this very thread for using them.

I didn't double-vote. Mods can check that.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Neko-Koku is well known for his puppets. Heck, we was warned in this very thread for using them.

I didn't double-vote. Mods can check that.

They cannot view poll voters, and voting with puppets is not prohibited.

[Socialist Heronia]

Time to inject my opinion here.
Firstly, bringing up kids, while a burden to the individual, helps the species along. You and I don't matter, but the human race kinda sorta does. Each one of us has a biological wiring to reproduce - women have a uterus for this reason. If reproducing were a burden to the species, it would not exist now. Us individuals are not the ones driving reproduction, the biology of the species itself is driving reproduction. Collectivism isn't just a philosophy. Humans evolved, in a twisted way, as collectivists, sacrificing themselves for the good of the species as a whole. That's how we've survived long enough to be talking like this now.
Secondly, selflessness does not imply communism. Humans have another biological trigger commonly called the "motherly instinct" that makes them fell like they need to put some of their energy and resources aside to allow another member of the species to grow. Again, we are not important as individuals, it's the species as a whole that has a biology designed to ensure its continued existence. Communism, however, does imply selflessness in my opinion, as people need to be doing what the state needs them to be doing with a vision of the final goal. If a single person fails to do that and begins to work with only ensuring their continued existence in mind, then the system fails.

[Kubra]

I don't see anything out of the ordinary, looks like a normal bell curve to me.

Neko-Koku is well known for his puppets. Heck, we was warned in this very thread for using them.

what you don't vote unpopular poll options out of spite
well that's no fun

[Neko-koku]

I didn't double-vote. Mods can check that.

They cannot view poll voters, and voting with puppets is not prohibited.

Admins and mods can still check that. I didn't abuse the poll. Only Neko-koku voted. EK, PM and other accounts didn't.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

They cannot view poll voters, and voting with puppets is not prohibited.

Admins and mods can still check that. I didn't abuse the poll.

Moderators cannot view poll voters. I recall one saying that.