Is familism the worst delusion in the world?

[Neko-koku]

Then you admit that you are a collectivist.

Sure, whatever. You wouldn't exist if two people, specifically a man and woman hadn't had sex (or some other reproductive method), and then raised you with very likely little benefit to themselves. Some people just like having and raising kids. I get it, it's not technically beneficial to an individual today, but be thankful people have families because if they didn't you and your fictional cat utopia would never exist. I don't mean to sound harsh, that's just the reality.

So what? This does not make familism less of a delusion.

[Neko-koku]

Then you admit that you are a collectivist.

Put down the strawman.

It's not a strawman. You have to admit that families are inherently

1. Collectivist

and

2. Feudal.

[Takso]

Sure, whatever. You wouldn't exist if two people, specifically a man and woman hadn't had sex (or some other reproductive method), and then raised you with very likely little benefit to themselves. Some people just like having and raising kids. I get it, it's not technically beneficial to an individual today, but be thankful people have families because if they didn't you and your fictional cat utopia would never exist. I don't mean to sound harsh, that's just the reality.

So what? This does not make familism less of a delusion.

How is your parents giving you life and raising you delusional?

[The New California Republic]

So what? This does not make familism less of a delusion.

You have yet to show that it is. The ball is firmly in your court.

[The New California Republic]

Put down the strawman.

It's not a strawman. You have to admit that families are inherently

1. Collectivist

and

2. Feudal.

It is a strawman, because you said that he was a collectivist on the basis that he is acknowledging that families are by and large the means by which most of us came into the world and survived; that doesn't make him a collectivist. Hence it was a strawman.

[Gagium]

Sure, whatever. You wouldn't exist if two people, specifically a man and woman hadn't had sex (or some other reproductive method), and then raised you with very likely little benefit to themselves. Some people just like having and raising kids. I get it, it's not technically beneficial to an individual today, but be thankful people have families because if they didn't you and your fictional cat utopia would never exist. I don't mean to sound harsh, that's just the reality.

So what? This does not make familism less of a delusion.

Can you define delusion?

[New haven america]

I'm trying to figure out if OP is serious or not.

[Cekoviu]

>supporting one's family is "microcommunism"
what even is this thread

It’s a pizza cutter. All edge, no point.

That's an awesome quote, thanks.

[Neko-koku]

So what? This does not make familism less of a delusion.

How is your parents giving you life and raising you delusional?

Yes..because that's not good for them. Nobody should have kids.

[The New California Republic]

How is your parents giving you life and raising you delusional?

Yes..because that's not good for them. Nobody should have kids.

The human race will die out within a century. No thanks. If anything it seems like the delusion is telling people not to have kids at all.

[Neko-koku]

Yes..because that's not good for them. Nobody should have kids.

The human race will die out within a century. No thanks. If anything it seems like the delusion is telling people not to have kids at all.

Delusion = Belief against reality, not belief against societies.

When does delusion include "socially harmful beliefs that aren't necessarily factually inaccurate"?

[Takso]

How is your parents giving you life and raising you delusional?

Yes..because that's not good for them. Nobody should have kids.

For what it's worth, I'm glad they had you. And I hope you view life differently in the future.

[The New California Republic]

Yes..because that's not good for them. Nobody should have kids.

The human race will die out within a century. No thanks. If anything it seems like the delusion is telling people not to have kids at all.

Delusion = Belief against reality

So you acknowledge that the human race will die out within a century, and you don't see that as an issue?

[Cekoviu]

The human race will die out within a century. No thanks. If anything it seems like the delusion is telling people not to have kids at all.

Delusion = Belief against reality, not belief against societies.

When does delusion include "socially harmful beliefs that aren't necessarily factually inaccurate"?

It is factually inaccurate. Much in the way that a praying mantis should try to hold on to a solid surface above the ground to molt, a human should desire and have children.

[Neko-koku]

Yes..because that's not good for them. Nobody should have kids.

For what it's worth, I'm glad they had you. And I hope you view life differently in the future.

Hell no.

[Neko-koku]

Delusion = Belief against reality, not belief against societies.

When does delusion include "socially harmful beliefs that aren't necessarily factually inaccurate"?

It is factually inaccurate. Much in the way that a praying mantis should try to hold on to a solid surface above the ground to molt, a human should desire and have children.

Yeah and male praying mantises should desire and get cannibalized because otherwise praying mantises will die out which is much worse than the pain of eaten male praying mantises, I'm sure.

[The New California Republic]

For what it's worth, I'm glad they had you. And I hope you view life differently in the future.

Hell no.

I hope that you do change your views, as wanting the human race to die out is a thoroughly malevolent outlook.

[Neko-koku]

Delusion = Belief against reality

So you acknowledge that the human race will die out within a century, and you don't see that as an issue?

Are socially harmful beliefs also necessarily factually inaccurate? Like..if Belief A is immoral does it also have to be factually inaccurate?

[New haven america]

Delusion = Belief against reality

So you acknowledge that the human race will die out within a century, and you don't see that as an issue?

Eh, humans suck. Bonobos or Orangutans should've been the dominant species.

[Neko-koku]

So you acknowledge that the human race will die out within a century, and you don't see that as an issue?

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Eh, humans suck. Bonobos or Orangutans should've been the dominant species.

They aren't much better. The universe is a fucking mess. Humans are actually already better than most other species. It is just that all life sucks.

[The New California Republic]

So you acknowledge that the human race will die out within a century, and you don't see that as an issue?

(Image)

Are socially harmful beliefs also necessarily factually inaccurate? Like..if Belief A is immoral does it also have to be factually inaccurate?

How is your belief that you are justified in wanting people not to reproduce and thus cause the extinction of the species "factually accurate"?

[Cekoviu]

It is factually inaccurate. Much in the way that a praying mantis should try to hold on to a solid surface above the ground to molt, a human should desire and have children.

Yeah and male praying mantises should desire and get cannibalized because otherwise praying mantises will die out which is much worse than the pain of eaten male praying mantises, I'm sure.

It is, evolutionarily speaking.
And typically less than the majority of male mantids in the wild (species-dependent) are actually cannibalized, by the way.

[Neko-koku]

Are socially harmful beliefs also necessarily factually inaccurate? Like..if Belief A is immoral does it also have to be factually inaccurate?

How is your belief that you are justified in wanting people not to reproduce and thus cause the extinction of the species "factually accurate"?

It does not have a factual component, so it is neither factually accurate nor factually inaccurate.

[Neko-koku]

Yeah and male praying mantises should desire and get cannibalized because otherwise praying mantises will die out which is much worse than the pain of eaten male praying mantises, I'm sure.

It is, evolutionarily speaking.

I agree but THAT FUCKING SUCKS! Do organisms have to live like that?!!!

[Cekoviu]

It is, evolutionarily speaking.

I agree but THAT FUCKING SUCKS!

Alright, and what are you going to do about it?